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Thread started 06/19/04 1:16pm

psykosoul

Sly Stone

For 7salles giggle

Let's discuss why Sylvester Stewart was the man:

  • 1967 Whole New Thing Epic/Legacy
  • 1968 Dance to the Music Epic/Legacy
  • 1968 Life Epic/Legacy
  • 1969 Stand! Epic
  • 1971 There's a Riot Goin' On Epic
  • 1973 Fresh Epic
  • 1974 Small Talk Epic
  • 1975 High on You Epic
  • 1976 Heard Ya Missed Me, Well I'm Back Epic
  • 1979 Back on the Right Track Warner Bros.
  • 1983 Ain't But the One Way Warner Bros.


Which one of these classics do you own? Personally, I've got all of 'em What are your favorite tracks? And what do you think his contribution is to music?

GET YOUR SLY FIX HERE not completely functional, but nice to look at
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Reply #1 posted 06/19/04 1:26pm

Anxiety

i'll admit it, i'm a filthy funk philistine...i've bought sly albums over the years, or taped 'em from the library or from friends...but to me, all i really need is the ESSENTIAL SLY & THE FAMILY STONE 2CD compilation that came out a year or two ago. it's got a great sampling of all the best sly tracks, the sound is great, and the package was put together with a lotta love. if all sly's albums are reissued with as much TLC, my wallet's gonna be hurting!!!
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Reply #2 posted 06/19/04 1:55pm

psykosoul

Anxiety said:

...but to me, all i really need is the ESSENTIAL SLY & THE FAMILY STONE 2CD compilation that came out a year or two ago. it's got a great sampling of all the best sly tracks, the sound is great, and the package was put together with a lotta love.


This is true. They really assembled all of the essential songs. If anything, There's A Riot Goin' On and Fresh really need to be re-released and remastered. Upon the release of The Essential there was supposed to be a blitz of remastered albums and vault treats. Somehow it all came to a halt. Last October, Live at the Fillmore East 1968 was supposed to be released but Columbia pulled the plug on it due to bootlegging.
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Reply #3 posted 06/19/04 1:59pm

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I got it all & his impact on music is undisputable.
2 bad the man don't have a decent website that he deserve.
/peace Manki
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Reply #4 posted 06/19/04 2:33pm

7salles

I luv the fresh album, and it is the reason i always says "Que sera sera"

My favs are the fresh album an Mlady and Stand, but i only know them and riot. the reason i know lots of other songs is my father that is called Kaza Soseek (you gotta be afraid being sued now)

The biggest contribution he gave to music in my world is that he along with clinton and james brown are the holy trinity of funk. he is a great singer in my opinion. for some reason i love his voice.
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Reply #5 posted 06/19/04 2:33pm

7salles

thanks for the thread eheh, i was only being a jerk in that thread with the guy to stress out. lol
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Reply #6 posted 06/19/04 2:40pm

7salles

and when i saw the anthology album i tought that it was jimi hendrix on the cover mad
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Reply #7 posted 06/19/04 7:30pm

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He was definitely a master and IS a classic. What I wanna know is....where the heck has he been all these years...on an island? What's up?
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Reply #8 posted 06/20/04 5:13am

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psykosoul said:

For 7salles giggle

Let's discuss why Sylvester Stewart was the man:

  • 1967 Whole New Thing Epic/Legacy
  • 1968 Dance to the Music Epic/Legacy
  • 1968 Life Epic/Legacy
  • 1969 Stand! Epic
  • 1971 There's a Riot Goin' On Epic
  • 1973 Fresh Epic
  • 1974 Small Talk Epic
  • 1975 High on You Epic
  • 1976 Heard Ya Missed Me, Well I'm Back Epic
  • 1979 Back on the Right Track Warner Bros.
  • 1983 Ain't But the One Way Warner Bros.


Which one of these classics do you own? Personally, I've got all of 'em What are your favorite tracks? And what do you think his contribution is to music?



GREAT POST, LADY !!!!!

Let me say this:
without Sly Stone ?
There wouldn't be a "Prince.org" to even ask the question !!!
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Reply #9 posted 06/20/04 11:19am

psykosoul

FalseSetto said:

GREAT POST, LADY !!!!!


LADY? confuse
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Reply #10 posted 06/20/04 2:29pm

7salles

Maybe Lady is his favortie album, there is a album called lady, no?
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Reply #11 posted 06/20/04 3:25pm

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7salles said:

Maybe Lady is his favortie album, there is a album called lady, no?



My Bad HOMIE !!
( I was typing and thinkin' about my GIRL at the same time )

No HARD feelin's DOGG.
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Reply #12 posted 06/20/04 4:56pm

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IMO, Sly is responsible for helping to take the R&B/Funk party out of the neighborhood basement by placing it on the national stage of Woodstock.
He did this by not only funkin' up the joint but by initially writing uplifting/upbeat universal lyrics of racial harmony and dumping the traditionally conservative and tired "everybody dress the same" R&B look. He may have even lead the coed band thing.

Nice thread psykosoul.
Now...what's with the "Lady" thing? hmmm
Pre or post? saw
(Just actin' the fool) nutty


tA

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Reply #13 posted 06/21/04 10:39am

psykosoul

FalseSetto said:

7salles said:

Maybe Lady is his favortie album, there is a album called lady, no?



My Bad HOMIE !!
( I was typing and thinkin' about my GIRL at the same time )

No HARD feelin's DOGG.


no sweat, it's all in good clean wholesome fun. nod
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Reply #14 posted 06/21/04 10:40am

psykosoul

theAudience said:


Nice thread psykosoul.
Now...what's with the "Lady" thing? hmmm
Pre or post? saw


Now you know that shit ain't right!!!!
evillol
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Reply #15 posted 06/21/04 11:14am

Slave2daGroove

In a time when racial bullshit was dominating the country, he had a mix of race and gender in a band that has yet to be touched for it's originality.

The Woodstock experience was icing on the cake and watching it today one can feel the energy that he and the band brought to live performances.

Funk, soul, pop and just well written music, that's what Sly brought to the music scene.

IMO, people will still be listening and learning to all of that music well into the future.

Great thread.
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Reply #16 posted 06/21/04 11:31am

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psykosoul said:


[*] 1971 There's a Riot Goin' On Epic
[*] 1974 Small Talk Epic[/list]


These were the REAL reasons why IMO!!! clapping

And let us not forget about Vet, Tiny and Mary b.ka. Little Sister worship

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Reply #17 posted 06/21/04 12:23pm

blackguitarist
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psykosoul said:

For 7salles giggle

Let's discuss why Sylvester Stewart was the man:

  • 1967 Whole New Thing Epic/Legacy
  • 1968 Dance to the Music Epic/Legacy
  • 1968 Life Epic/Legacy
  • 1969 Stand! Epic
  • 1971 There's a Riot Goin' On Epic
  • 1973 Fresh Epic
  • 1974 Small Talk Epic
  • 1975 High on You Epic
  • 1976 Heard Ya Missed Me, Well I'm Back Epic
  • 1979 Back on the Right Track Warner Bros.
  • 1983 Ain't But the One Way Warner Bros.


Which one of these classics do you own? Personally, I've got all of 'em What are your favorite tracks? And what do you think his contribution is to music?

GET YOUR SLY FIX HERE not completely functional, but nice to look at
[This message was edited Sat Jun 19 13:19:54 2004 by psykosoul]

I have every 1 except 4 Back on the Right Track. Sly was the shit.

Are you experienced? Well.. I am.

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Reply #18 posted 06/21/04 12:42pm

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INFLUENCE:


Interesting that while everyone was checking out Jimi Hendrix, In one of his last interviews, when asked who he was listening to lately, Hendrix answered, "Sly Stone"

In addition to checking out Hendrix, Miles Davis was deeply checking out Sly -Over the course of three days in August 1969, Miles and his band laid down six long, dense tracks of innovative music bearing the influence of Hendrix and Sly Stone, (as well as Marvin Gaye and Karlheinz Stockhausen). These sessions were released as Bitches Brew.

By the early 70's, Herbie Hancock, already adept at Jazz and Classical, was growing tired of the music his band was playing, tired of jazz snobbery and wanted a new direction. He was entranced by what Sly Stone was doing, and thought ,"That's for me", thus Headhunters was born.

Cool that while everybody was checking ot these guys, they were checking out Sly...
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Reply #19 posted 06/21/04 1:02pm

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Sly and The Family Stone were responsible 4 merging funk and rock. I can't say enough about Sly and Hendrix and how important they were to not only black music but all music. Without Sly and Jimi, u wouldn't have Parliament-Funkadelic, Earth, Wind and Fire, The Ohio Players, The Bar kays, The Commodores, or Prince. And those were monster groups and artists in their own right. Visually, Sly and Hendrix totally changed the way brothers dressed. A brother named Arthur Lee from Love also should get credit 4 this. Even The Jackson Five in their glory were dressed like Sly and Jimi.

Are you experinced? Well..I am.

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Reply #20 posted 06/21/04 1:55pm

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blackguitaristz said:

Even The Jackson Five in their glory were dressed like Sly and Jimi.


TRUE!!
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Reply #21 posted 06/21/04 3:21pm

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paligap said:

INFLUENCE:


Interesting that while everyone was checking out Jimi Hendrix, In one of his last interviews, when asked who he was listening to lately, Hendrix answered, "Sly Stone"

In addition to checking out Hendrix, Miles Davis was deeply checking out Sly -Over the course of three days in August 1969, Miles and his band laid down six long, dense tracks of innovative music bearing the influence of Hendrix and Sly Stone, (as well as Marvin Gaye and Karlheinz Stockhausen). These sessions were released as Bitches Brew.

By the early 70's, Herbie Hancock, already adept at Jazz and Classical, was growing tired of the music his band was playing, tired of jazz snobbery and wanted a new direction. He was entranced by what Sly Stone was doing, and thought ,"That's for me", thus Headhunters was born.

Cool that while everybody was checking ot these guys, they were checking out Sly...

Excellent points...as usual.
Hendrix, Miles and Herbie.
When it was time to get funky (or funkier) they all decided to "...look at Mr. Stewart. He's the only person he has to fear."

tA

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Reply #22 posted 06/21/04 7:55pm

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paligap said:

By the early 70's, Herbie Hancock, already adept at Jazz and Classical, was growing tired of the music his band was playing, tired of jazz snobbery and wanted a new direction. He was entranced by what Sly Stone was doing, and thought ,"That's for me", thus Headhunters was born.

Cool that while everybody was checking ot these guys, they were checking out Sly...
[This message was edited Mon Jun 21 12:47:22 2004 by paligap]

And even titled one of the songs from the Headhunters album "Sly"...

blackguitaristz said:

Sly and The Family Stone were responsible 4 merging funk and rock.

They weren't the first (the Chambers Bros. are ALWAYS overlooked), but they did it most successfully at that time.
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #23 posted 06/21/04 9:56pm

psykosoul

okaypimpn said:


And let us not forget about Vet, Tiny and Mary b.ka. Little Sister worship



I've got faith that one day they are going to unearth the demos that Little Sister did and compile an album. Vet has admitted that they were working on one in between Riot and Fresh.
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Reply #24 posted 06/22/04 8:02am

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psykosoul said:

okaypimpn said:


And let us not forget about Vet, Tiny and Mary b.ka. Little Sister worship



I've got faith that one day they are going to unearth the demos that Little Sister did and compile an album. Vet has admitted that they were working on one in between Riot and Fresh.


I hope and pray because "You're The One," "Stanga," and "Sombody's Watching You" can only hold me for so long!!! lol
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Reply #25 posted 06/22/04 10:40am

Slave2daGroove

So that Chambers Brothers comment got my attention because I had never heard of them.

Here's what allmusic had to say;

Like their West Coast contemporaries Sly and the Family Stone, the Chambers Brothers shattered racial and musical divides to forge an incendiary fusion of funk, gospel, blues, and psychedelia which reached its apex with the perennial 1968 song "Time Has Come Today." The Chambers siblings -- bassist George, guitarist Willie, harpist Lester, and guitarist Joe, all of whom contributed vocals -- were born and raised in Lee County, MS; the products of an impoverished sharecropping family, the brothers first polished their vocal harmonies in the choir of their Baptist church, a collaboration which ended after George was drafted into the army in 1952. Following his discharge he relocated to Los Angeles, where the other Chambers brothers soon settled as well; the foursome began performing gospel and folk throughout Southern California in 1954, but remained virtually unknown until appearing in New York City in 1965. The addition of white drummer Brian Keenan not only made the Chambers Brothers an interracial group, but pushed their music closer to rock & roll; a well-received appearance at the Newport Folk Festival further enhanced their growing reputation, and they soon recorded their debut LP, People Get Ready.
As the Chambers Brothers toured rock clubs (including the famed Fillmore in San Francisco) and R&B venues (most notably the Apollo Theatre) alike, their music increasingly embraced elements of both; after recording 1968's Shout! for the Vault label, the group signed to Columbia to issue Time Has Come Today, scoring a major pop hit with the title track, an 11-minute psychedelic soul epic in its original album incarnation. The follow-up, A New Time--A New Day, yielded another Top 40 hit, a cover of the Otis Redding's classic "I Can't Turn You Loose," but subsequent efforts including 1969's Love, Peace and Happiness and 1970's Live at Fillmore East failed to maintain the commercial momentum. Upon completing 1972's Oh My God!, the Chambers Brothers disbanded, only to reunite two years later for Unbonded. Right Move appeared in 1975, and although no new studio records were forthcoming, the group regularly performed live in the decades to follow, with the brothers also pursuing individual projects; the Chambers Family Choir, a gospel group including the siblings' own children, remained a priority as well.


It just seems to me like they weren't doing the same thing (even with a white drummer) as Sly at all. This may be the reason why they're overlooked shrug

I'm going to find some vinyl before I have an opinion though
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biggrin Actually P-Funk alumnus Jerome Brailey was the drummer for the Chambers Brothers during the late 60's/ early 70's, before eventually finding his way To George Clinton and company...
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theAudience said:

paligap said:

INFLUENCE:


Interesting that while everyone was checking out Jimi Hendrix, In one of his last interviews, when asked who he was listening to lately, Hendrix answered, "Sly Stone"

In addition to checking out Hendrix, Miles Davis was deeply checking out Sly -Over the course of three days in August 1969, Miles and his band laid down six long, dense tracks of innovative music bearing the influence of Hendrix and Sly Stone, (as well as Marvin Gaye and Karlheinz Stockhausen). These sessions were released as Bitches Brew.

By the early 70's, Herbie Hancock, already adept at Jazz and Classical, was growing tired of the music his band was playing, tired of jazz snobbery and wanted a new direction. He was entranced by what Sly Stone was doing, and thought ,"That's for me", thus Headhunters was born.

Cool that while everybody was checking ot these guys, they were checking out Sly...

Excellent points...as usual.
Hendrix, Miles and Herbie.
When it was time to get funky (or funkier) they all decided to "...look at Mr. Stewart. He's the only person he has to fear."

tA



Yeah, and it's a shame...All these guys are looking to him, He's got all this potential and influence, but he steadily self destructed...dissappeared into that Black Hole of Drugs and Paranoia...
and so far, nobody's really been able to get him out, despite the best efforts of George Clinton, Prince, Jesse Johnson, and even Michael Jackson... sad
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Slave2daGroove said:

So that Chambers Brothers comment got my attention because I had never heard of them.

Here's what allmusic had to say;

Like their West Coast contemporaries Sly and the Family Stone, the Chambers Brothers shattered racial and musical divides to forge an incendiary fusion of funk, gospel, blues, and psychedelia which reached its apex with the perennial 1968 song "Time Has Come Today." The Chambers siblings -- bassist George, guitarist Willie, harpist Lester, and guitarist Joe, all of whom contributed vocals -- were born and raised in Lee County, MS; the products of an impoverished sharecropping family, the brothers first polished their vocal harmonies in the choir of their Baptist church, a collaboration which ended after George was drafted into the army in 1952. Following his discharge he relocated to Los Angeles, where the other Chambers brothers soon settled as well; the foursome began performing gospel and folk throughout Southern California in 1954, but remained virtually unknown until appearing in New York City in 1965. The addition of white drummer Brian Keenan not only made the Chambers Brothers an interracial group, but pushed their music closer to rock & roll; a well-received appearance at the Newport Folk Festival further enhanced their growing reputation, and they soon recorded their debut LP, People Get Ready.
As the Chambers Brothers toured rock clubs (including the famed Fillmore in San Francisco) and R&B venues (most notably the Apollo Theatre) alike, their music increasingly embraced elements of both; after recording 1968's Shout! for the Vault label, the group signed to Columbia to issue Time Has Come Today, scoring a major pop hit with the title track, an 11-minute psychedelic soul epic in its original album incarnation. The follow-up, A New Time--A New Day, yielded another Top 40 hit, a cover of the Otis Redding's classic "I Can't Turn You Loose," but subsequent efforts including 1969's Love, Peace and Happiness and 1970's Live at Fillmore East failed to maintain the commercial momentum. Upon completing 1972's Oh My God!, the Chambers Brothers disbanded, only to reunite two years later for Unbonded. Right Move appeared in 1975, and although no new studio records were forthcoming, the group regularly performed live in the decades to follow, with the brothers also pursuing individual projects; the Chambers Family Choir, a gospel group including the siblings' own children, remained a priority as well.


It just seems to me like they weren't doing the same thing (even with a white drummer) as Sly at all. This may be the reason why they're overlooked shrug

So... from that description the only thing you got out of it is that both groups had a White drummer (which had nothing to do with my point)? neutral

This may be the reason why they're overlooked shrug

This may be the reason YOU overlook them.
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Supernova said:[quote]

Slave2daGroove said:

So that Chambers Brothers comment got my attention because I had never heard of them.

Here's what allmusic had to say;


So... from that description the only thing you got out of it is that both groups had a White drummer (which had nothing to do with my point)? neutral

This may be the reason why they're overlooked shrug

This may be the reason YOU overlook them.

The Chamber Brothers were a great band. One of my faves. Have a lot of their stuff. "Time Has Come Today" is one of the best songs by anyone. The phrasing on the vocals, during the verses are pure Hendrix. If ya'll not knowing about the group LOVE with Arthur Lee, please find it.
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