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Reply #90 posted 06/17/04 7:12am

DavidEye

gman1966 said:

DavidEye said:

A funny sidenote.I found this on another forum...


During the song "American Life",Madonna gives the audience the British equivalent of "the bird".It's just the peace sign with the back of the hand to the recipient.But her American fans have no idea what this means,so naturally,they just clap and cheer.


lol so basically,we clapped and cheered as Madonna was flicking us off...lol...


falloff

I bet you thought that was genius!!! Why does she walks around and talk with a fake British accent?



I admit,I absolutely HATE that fake British accent thing she does! It's so annoying.
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Reply #91 posted 06/17/04 7:55am

VoicesCarry

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DavidEye said:



rolleyes


I've probably started more Madonna threads than anyone else on this site,and I'm not White.So much for your "theory",huh?



Well unfortunately, there is alway exceptions!!!


1. Madonna has one of the most racially diverse fan bases of any artist. So stop implying that all her fans are gay white men. Is it any wonder you don't see many Madonna posts on an African-American music board? No. Madonna has a hell of a lot more in common with Prince (who is more unabashedly pop than many people would like to admit) than she does with someone like James Brown.

2. Yes, she's a white woman, but she's a no-bullshit white woman who did things her way, which is why she got shit in the media. However, the statement:

"Prince got grief for raunchy music, his religion, not selling a lot of records, and toning down his image."

also applies to Madonna in every way.

She got flak for:
-raunchy music/image (she went further than Prince ever did image-wise during the Erotica era)
-religion (or rather, lack of it, and willingness to be honest about her atheism, esp. during her "sacrilegous" Like A Prayer days)
-not selling a lot of records (see: American Life, Erotica)
-toning down her image (Bedtime Stories/Evita/Ray Of Light eras)
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Reply #92 posted 06/17/04 8:03am

VoicesCarry

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http://c1.zedo.com/jsc/c1/ff2.html?n=162;c=422/1;s=300;d=16;w=720;h=300;t=UndertoneNetworks.com

By Christian Toto


The mother of reinvention seems more like a master of recycling these days. Madonna, the erstwhile Material Girl-turned-Britney-Spears-mentor, dropped by the MCI Center Sunday night for the first of two District stops on her Re-Invention Tour '04.
Unlike her last tour, Madonna obliged with a healthy dose of fan favorites, from "Like a Prayer" to "Into the Groove."
What stood out for those who have tracked her career through its many phases — virgin, less than virgin, bad actress and children's book author — is that today's Madonna isn't exactly sure who she is.
The show trots out the singer's hit parade of shocks, from political swipes to erotica unhinged, but each came out as if sanitized by time or (gasp) good taste.
She no longer wants to titillate us, and her polemics always fall short of genuine insight.
Madonna, now 45, is one of several '80s icons, including The Cure and Prince, hitting the road again this summer. But while Prince's tour finds the multi-talented musician winning fans anew with his craft, Madonna dazzles with pyrotechnics. The best she can muster musically is to strum an acoustic guitar while a crush of musicians perform behind her, mostly on the periphery of the stage, without a ray of light to illuminate them.
Flanked by massive video screens for much of the affair, Madonna entered from a rising platform to "vogue."
Never mind her occasional British accent, which she should have left behind in her hotel suite.
The singer's voice, an able instrument but hardly her calling card, remained hale throughout the night.
"Burning Up," a nugget better left buried, somehow made the oldies cut, while "Material Girl" got an irony-free treatment. She brought a jazzy touch to "Deeper and Deeper," which showed vocal nuances we didn't know she had.
The best blend of music and the concert's visuals came with "Like a Prayer," which she sang before a backdrop of black churchgoers streaming on the video screens.
The protest singer in her blanketed the night with morose good intentions.
Helicopter sounds and footage of wounded children made it abundantly clear Madonna is against war, but it's equally obvious she isn't interested in mocking our troops. She probably realized she looked smashing in a military beret and olive green shades and took it from there.
Later, she sang an uninspiring version of John Lennon's "Imagine" that was saved only by reverberating guitar chords. She then segued to Scottish bagpipes and drums, which begat "Into the Groove."
One could think for days and not come up with a more incongruous match between music and theme.
The night concluded with a big sign that read "Reinvent Yourself."
One day it might occur to her to actually be herself, and see what happens. It could be the only reinvention she hasn't tried yet


You can tell he's a moron because he thinks "Burning Up" is "a nugget better left buried". WTF?
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Reply #93 posted 06/17/04 8:32am

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Reply #94 posted 06/17/04 10:16am

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sosgemini said:

i find it telling that nobody has responded to my comments....to make things more complicated..i found her perfomance of "imagine" to be heartfelt and beautiful.....
and thats my problem with this show.....in order to entertain you must build commonality.....you must convey emotion to your guests.....yet she didnt do it enough....
that evita song? come one.....her hooky adaptation of holiday? come one.....the dance interludes that didnt feature her? come on now....
her pathetic guitar strumming? come on now?


One thing Madonna really deserves credit for is....all of her tours are unique and distinctive.Every tour is different,bigger and better than the last one.This new tour is NOTHING like 'Drowned World'.While many longtime artists go on tour every year or so,playing the same tired hits over and over,not even changing the arrangements or the stage design...it's refreshing to see Madonna out there,doing something different each time.


Also,while this tour is widely considered a "greatest hits" show,it's notable that Madonna actually plays seven songs from her current album.On a tour in which she is expected to "play it safe" and just deliver the well-known hits,she STILL finds a way to break the trend and play lots of new stuff.


ehhh.....glad you liked it.... lol

ehh.....this tour is
Space for sale...
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Reply #95 posted 06/17/04 1:04pm

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I don't wanna fight anymore. I love what Madonna does, I respect what she does, I don't care if you all like her or not. It doesn't change my experience.

SOS -- I already told you that you helped me enjoy the show because your review that night after the show set me up to be totally disappointed. And with every song I kept getting ready to cringe, but the cringe moments never came for me.

No big deal.

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Reply #96 posted 06/17/04 9:15pm

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She's not selling a lot of records Dave !!! and don't forget Prince is selling a lot of tickets and CD's right now. I just don't like the fact that Maddona has gotten a free ride from the music press all these years. Were Prince got grief for ranchy music, his religion, not selling a lot of records, and toning down his image. To around and see Maddona go along the same road and have little or no negative comments is a little unfair but this is America and she is a white woman so I guess it is no big shock.


Madonna experience a huge backlash from the press around the time when Erotica and the Sex book came out - so what you're saying is completely untrue. In fact, I'd say that in many ways she got a much worse battering from the media than P because her profile has always been a little bigger.

And she's one of the biggest selling artists of all time - I think she sells records!

But when did this turn into a comparison of Prince and Madonna?

Either way, I agree with DavidEye in that playing the race card is so low. The fact that Madonna is white and Prince is black has bugger all to do with anything...

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She did not experience a backlash the press gave her a lot of free publicity and she sold a lot of books. She has never gotten the battering that Prince has. Which I think makes his comeback even better but that is just my opinion.

Madonna's sales are down. She could not give this last cd away and if you think race has nothing to do with anything I want to sell you the Brooklyn brigde.
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Reply #97 posted 06/17/04 11:12pm

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This has become one funny thread. Very entertaining. biggrin
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #98 posted 06/18/04 7:34am

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Supernova said:

This has become one funny thread. Very entertaining. biggrin


You can't take things to seriously.... lol
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Reply #99 posted 06/18/04 8:34am

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gman1966 said:

Supernova said:

This has become one funny thread. Very entertaining. biggrin


You can't take things to seriously.... lol


True that -- i had to step away for a day cuz I was taking it
way too seriously.
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Reply #100 posted 06/18/04 11:22am

VoicesCarry

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adoreme said:



Madonna experience a huge backlash from the press around the time when Erotica and the Sex book came out - so what you're saying is completely untrue. In fact, I'd say that in many ways she got a much worse battering from the media than P because her profile has always been a little bigger.

And she's one of the biggest selling artists of all time - I think she sells records!

But when did this turn into a comparison of Prince and Madonna?

Either way, I agree with DavidEye in that playing the race card is so low. The fact that Madonna is white and Prince is black has bugger all to do with anything...

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She did not experience a backlash the press gave her a lot of free publicity and she sold a lot of books. She has never gotten the battering that Prince has. Which I think makes his comeback even better but that is just my opinion.

Madonna's sales are down. She could not give this last cd away and if you think race has nothing to do with anything I want to sell you the Brooklyn brigde.


She sold a lot of books? eek "Sex" was a complete bomb, a real embarrassment. Did you live through 1992/1993? If so, you'll remember the battering she indeed got. Madonna is a woman who does things her way, and that was enough to make her the target of a hell of a lot of flak.

P.S. American Life sold 5 million copies worldwide. That's on par with Erotica, and it's hardly a disaster. According to you, she "couldn't give them away", however. Explain your logic, please.
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Reply #101 posted 06/18/04 11:49am

Harlepolis

I hate 2 jump on the "race" bandwagon too but it really amazes me how she got on being called "bald" to this day 4 releasing the sex book and now she's doing a CHILDREN's book while Janet Jackson get all major bashing from everybody 4 exposing her black nipple confused

Far as her concert review goes, I agree with Chico's comments even tho I'm not a fan.
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Reply #102 posted 06/18/04 11:58am

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There was a huge blacklash after sex magazine after magazine asked if she had gone too far and lets not forget the infamous david letterman appereance. the only difference between what Janet and Madonna did is lets say 10years and enough time for it fade from most people's memories
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Reply #103 posted 06/18/04 12:51pm

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VoicesCarry said:

-raunchy music/image (she went further than Prince ever did image-wise during the Erotica era)

You really think so? I don't know...Prince's "dirty mind" image predated Madonna and pretty much set the standard for raunch in the 80s. I mean, here was a man onstage with women's underwear on, singing about head and incest.
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Reply #104 posted 06/18/04 2:16pm

VoicesCarry

SquarePeg said:

VoicesCarry said:

-raunchy music/image (she went further than Prince ever did image-wise during the Erotica era)

You really think so? I don't know...Prince's "dirty mind" image predated Madonna and pretty much set the standard for raunch in the 80s. I mean, here was a man onstage with women's underwear on, singing about head and incest.


Yeah, but she basically went ahead and published a picture book chronicling the sexual acts you mention. lol
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Reply #105 posted 06/18/04 3:47pm

7salles

madonna is musica for fags :/ lol
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Reply #106 posted 06/19/04 11:50am

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VoicesCarry said:

SquarePeg said:


You really think so? I don't know...Prince's "dirty mind" image predated Madonna and pretty much set the standard for raunch in the 80s. I mean, here was a man onstage with women's underwear on, singing about head and incest.


Yeah, but she basically went ahead and published a picture book chronicling the sexual acts you mention. lol

that's because she wasn't that good at making us see it through music like Prince did lol

not bashing Madonna, cuz she's the shit...but Prince, for the most part, was master of leaving it to our imaginations.
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Reply #107 posted 06/19/04 12:02pm

VoicesCarry

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VoicesCarry said:



Yeah, but she basically went ahead and published a picture book chronicling the sexual acts you mention. lol

that's because she wasn't that good at making us see it through music like Prince did lol

not bashing Madonna, cuz she's the shit...but Prince, for the most part, was master of leaving it to our imaginations.


I definitely agree with you on that point.
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Reply #108 posted 06/19/04 1:38pm

Anxiety

if madonna's name weren't plastered on the "erotica" or "ray of light" albums, i'd goof on her with the best of 'em...but her name's on those albums, so i gotta love her to some extent. i think she's got some really classic moments left in her old bones, she just has to grow into herself and start a new phase of her career that allows for her age and her history. i think she's trying to hard to appear "bleeding edge" with all the electronica stuff and the multimedia stage shows, when at heart she's becoming a glorified soccer mom and a member of the kabbalistic ladies who lunch...ain't no shame in that...she's a funny woman and she has great stage presence...she's not down for the count yet, far from it. i just can't get with the rotten movies/triflin' electro-pop/humorless yoga-diva mode she's in right now. i guess everyone has to go through a creative slump - lord knows prince has, as every artist with staying power has - maybe this is her time to weather lean times creatively. shrug
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Reply #109 posted 06/19/04 11:34pm

Luv4oneanotha

im checking out the concert in madison square garden 6th row
i'll judge it for myself
we shall see
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Reply #110 posted 06/20/04 4:44am

agentmonday

Madonna looked nice during the late 80's.
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Reply #111 posted 06/20/04 9:22am

LightOfArt

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Madonna looked nice during the late 80's.


lol she's still the hottest 45 year old
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