Very surprised MTV didn't do an ICON show this year consdiering we have 2 major ICON-worthy musicians in the spotlight...did I miss something?

purplegypsy said:

when and who was the last mtv "icon"? last i knew, it was aerosmith or someone equally ridiculous.

SassyBritches said:

Wasn't Janet Jackson on "Icon"? I'm still trying to figure out how she got it over Michael, Prince, and Madonna....they've all been out longer than her. What's next? "Icon: Justin Timberlake"?

i think the last ICON done by MTV was Limp Bizkit

estelle1981 said:

because janet is a goddess!

purplegypsy said:

Prince or Madonna would be great this year but who would they get to perform you think? Who would sound good performing P songs? That would be a tuffy!

SassyBritches said:

Yes, she is; there's no denying that. But, Icon over Madonna, Prince, and Micheal? Her's was really good though. I loved seeing her evolve over the years. She's fabulous!

let me clear up the rumours...to date MTV has aired three ICONS (in order)

Janet J.
Aerosmith
Metallica

Limp Bizkit PERFORMED "Santarium" at Metallica's ICON but did not have their own ICON show.

purplegypsy said:

um...aerosmith AND metallica were icons. oh lawd! (insert morris day face here)

purplegypsy said:

uhm, sorry i was just joking...no way would any have them as a ICOn,,,,ever.

bigonez said:

I bet maddy was insulted she didn't get asked first...maybe she turned MTV down?

Madonna has been asked, she's refused.

I think Prince has refused it too, but I am not sure. I know for certain that Madonna has turned it down.

procrastination101 said:

any info on why she declined?

I heard she declined because at the time she was really against her old hits, kinda why they didn't appear in the DWT. She more than likely didn't want to sit through other people butching songs she all ready disliked. Also Music was selling well on its own so it didn't need the promotion. Janet's All For You was just coming out so when Madonna declined they asked janet.

ehuffnsd said:

well being that everyone is touting the 20 years of madonna, wouldn't this be the perfect year to do it?

MTV ICON to me is Madonna..Period...Altough Michael Jackson did the best ever videos Madonna rised because of her videos...Janet is a good video artist too but Madonna is around for like 20 years or something.

because janet is a goddess! [/quote]

Right..You call aerosmith a joke choice,but love janet jackstrap.
Go buy Rocks by aerosmith,and put down the tori [Flame Snipped - Tom]

13inchshoe said:

um...when was their last even HALF decent release?
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LightOfArt said:

I'm know I'm biased...lol...but I think Maddy is the greatest video artist of all time.Michael did three excellent videos ("Billie Jean","Beat It" and of course "Thriller"),but Madonna has been more consistent,when it comes to making outstanding videos.

DavidEye said:

Dang, people just can't look past Thriller. Pisses me off man

WildStyle said:

I remember not being overwhelmed by the "Bad" videos.The title track video is just plain tacky (Prince was smart not to appear in it)..."The Way You Make Me Feel" was uneventful....the only great video from this project was "Smooth Criminal".In later years,his "Earth Song" video was cool,but like I said,Madonna's been more consistent with her videos.

DavidEye said:

Personal taste I guess man. I disagree with you. "Bad", "The Way You Make Me Feel", "Smooth Criminal", "Leave Me Alone", "Black Or White", "Remember The Time", "In The Closet", "Jam", "Give In To Me", "Scream", "You Are Not Alone", "Earth Song", "They Don't Care about Us" (both Brazil and Prison versions) are all great video's IMO

Not to mention stuff like Captain Eo and Ghosts.

DavidEye said:

I'm not a huge fan of either MJ or Madonna (although I do like them both) but without even thinking about it I can name several outstanding MJ videos : The 3 you mentioned of course, Man in the mirror, Black or white, Earth song, and possibly the best video ever made : Scream.

Without even thinking about it I can name... no Madonna video that strikes me as outstanding. Not a one.

I don't follow Madge's career too closely so I may have missed the outstanding videos, so which ones are they ?
I think perhaps 'controversial' is being confused with 'outstanding'.

Then again, as far as I know she doesn't allocate millions for each video, which is probably where the difference is. If you throw tons of money at every video you're bound to hit 'outstanding' at least some of the time.

I think Madonna sometimes tries do what MJ does when it comes to videos...

MJ and JJ did Scream then you got Bed Time Stories...their style is SO similar
MJ did Earth Song then you got Frozen...Even frozen the song reminds me of earth song..
mj sang: ahaaaaa... in EarthS and madonna sang: hmmmmm...
And Madonna has many videos which is so much like Who Is It video

And Thriller is NOT the best video its GHOSTS(the full version 35min)...Pure brilliance...The story is written by MJ and Stephen King btw.
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AsylumUtopia said:

Oh please,Madonna is KNOWN for outstanding videos! Her videos are notorious for being edgy,provocative,stylish and brazenly bizarre (just like her concerts).


Outstanding Madonna Videos---

"Material Girl" (1984)
"Papa Don't Preach" (1986)
"Like A Prayer" (1989)
"Express Yourself" (1989)
"Oh Father" (1989)
"Vogue" (1990)
"Justify My Love" (1990)
"Deeper And Deeper" (1992)
"Bad Girl" (1992)
"Bedtime Story" (1994)
"Human Nature" (1994)
"Frozen" (1998)
"Ray Of Light" (1998)
"Music" (2000)
"Don't Tell Me" (2000)
"American Life" (2003)

DavidEye said:

I have to agree that Papa dont,music and material grl are AMZING

DavidEye said:

Well, of those you've listed I don't recall seeing the last 4, so no comment on those. Of the others, I personally wouldn't rate any of them as outstanding. I agree with you that her videos are generally edgy, provocative, stylish and brazenly bizarre, and a hell of a lot more entertaining than your average video. They just don't strike me as outstanding, at least not when compared with the likes of Scream or Black and White.

Then again, I'm probably not the best person in the world to discuss videos with, I dislike most of them (particularly faux-live-performance videos) and I think the majority of people making them fail to grasp the idea that the video should enhance the song.