why do you keep insulting people you know NOTHING about. Besides it´s none of our business, but MJ´s and hers, no matter what their relaionship was about. It´s THEIR business, so just give them a break, OK?

dag said:

why do you keep insulting people you know NOTHING about
I know that she 's invisible mother of children that she gave to their alleged father for money
I'm just asking so stop bitching you're just ridiculous
I find interesting that if you're rich & famous you can buy your kids even if you're , your fans will excuse everything
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[This message was edited Sun Jun 13 16:23:43 2004 by jn2]

jn2 said:

well actually its you who's bitching. bitching someone u dont know. Just because they are celebrities, people think they OWN them
[This message was edited Mon Jun 14 2:58:34 2004 by LightOfArt]

Nobody´s excusing them, but I am just refusing to bitch someone for something I know nothing about. Although I have seen and read all her and MJ´s interviews I will not pretent that I know EXACTLY what happened between them. It´s their business. Plus I don´t remember any of those two saying that she had the kids for money and if you have no proof for that, stop using that as a fact. But from the interviews I´ve seen there.. Debbie´s crazy about him OR she´s the best actress in the world (crying and everything).

of course not

Hey...HEy... HEY!


Let's keep the drama to a minimum, shall we?

Aaaaaah, that's better... thanks.

OK, I am finished. I´ve said all I wanted to say.....

yeah yeah yeah
now lets stop the Drama here and get back to Business
Diane Dimond of Court T.V. Is f*cking up this trial AGAIN
she and her Co-horts have been saying they have an authentic settlement agreement of 25 million
of a boy who claimed Jackson Had molested them
At First i thought this was a new kid...
its not , so don't be alarmed
its the 1993 Settlement
so to me this is old news
But i think Diane Is trying her Best to Influence Potenial Jurors, which is decreasing by the days

Diane as fibed about alot of stuff concerning the case
so im not sure if the document are legit
if they are
Somebody released them...
Evan Chandler starting trouble?

Luv4oneanotha said:

yeah I saw that too. It was titled "breaking news"
such a bitch
[This message was edited Wed Jun 16 4:24:30 2004 by LightOfArt]

and some GOOD news:

Jacko: Will Release Boxed Set Before Trial

Some defendants make sure their appearance at trial is preceded by only the most serious public profile, low key behavior, and as little self promotion as possible.

Not Michael Jackson. With his trial for child molestation set to begin officially on September 13, Jackson will first release a boxed set of greatest hits, remixes, and rarities in late August, I learned yesterday.

The three or four CD set, including four new songs and lots of hard-to-find material, is still being assembled. But sources tell me that it's a go for release around Labor Day, at the latest.

"It can't come out during the trial," my source said, "and it's not going to come out after the trial, that's for sure. So they have no choice but to get it out right before the trial."

The package — which will trace Jackson's history post-Jackson 5 through the present — is key in the pop singer's contractual life. It will be his final release on Epic Records as part of his
long term deal with Sony Music.

http://www.foxnews.com/st...03,00.html

Mr. Jackson's Publicist Comments Regarding Court TV Report

Re: COURT TV Report, June 15, 2004

We are under a very strict confidentiality Agreement or “gag” order. If, in fact, the Agreement is the actual Agreement, we are going to abide by the “gag” order, and not comment with regards to it.

However whoever released this Agreement, whether it is actual or not, did it deliberately and willfully, with the intent of influencing potential jurors in Mr. Jackson’s present case, which is outrageous, and an act of desperation.

Raymone Bain

http://www.courttv.com/ne...l?page=1

if ayone´s interested, you can read the document over here. The only interesting part I found there was paragraph g over here (hope it works)






(my last additional comment on this topic) OK that was a stupid argument from me, but I still believe that their relationship was more genuine than economical

and this one - paragraph 2.

the parents actually signed a document confirming MJ´s claims of his innocence.

By DAWN HOBBS
NEWS-PRESS STAFF WRITER

A judge denied a request by Michael Jackson's attorneys to lower his $3 million bail — even though it is substantially higher than bail set in other child molestation cases, according to documents released Monday.

Thomas Mesereau calculated that bail for the charges his client faces should be set at $70,000, according to Santa Barbara County's own bail schedule.

Mr. Mesereau argued to Superior Court Judge Rodney Melville at a hearing two weeks ago that setting it 43 times higher than what is required here is discriminatory: "You cannot differentiate according to wealth, status or any other factor that provides for equal protection of the law under the constitutional standards."
In comparison, Mr. Mesereau also pointed out that the county's bail is set at $1 million for someone using weapons of mass destruction to kill.However, Judge Melville sided with Senior Deputy District Attorney Ron Zonen, who pressed for maintaining the high bail because of Mr. Jackson's wealth and because "he is a defendant like no other."

In his order, Judge Melville acknowledged that Mr. Jackson has made required court appearances, but that to keep the bail high may provide financial incentive to continue to do so: "In this respect, consideration of the defendant's wealth is appropriate."

The judge also pointed out that although in excess of the usual bail schedule, Mr. Jackson posted the bail in November after his surrender and in May following his arraignment on the indictment. Mark Geragos, who was Mr. Jackson's attorney until April 24, did not object to the bail amount. Mr. Mesereau was hired the same day Mr. Geragos was dropped, just days before the arraignment.

At that hearing, Mr. Jackson pleaded not guilty to four counts of lewd conduct, four counts of administering alcohol to allegedly commit molestation, one count of attempted lewd conduct and one count of conspiracy.

The next proceeding in Santa Maria is scheduled for June 25, when attorneys will discuss the release of redacted grand jury transcripts.


EXACTLY It´s not fair!

PErsonally i don't really think the money is really what's keeping MJ from leaving the country
he Blows 3 Million dollars on a shopping spree in Vegas
i basically think its just the Principle of the Law
if men are to be tried equally and fairly
, how can the bail of a rich man be 46X more then an average man
thats discrimination
it all should be equal
and their masquerading it
i don't like the way this case is heading...
Using the excuse that Jackson is a flight risk is asanine, and incomprehensible
100% of the world wan'ts this case t go through
including me
this is the end of the line
End Game
lets make it fair

Exactly and you know what worries me now, that it´s THIS JUDGE who will be handling this case. I mean if he can´t be fair at such a thing than I don´t know....I know that there will be a jury but.....

I have incredibal confidence in the Law
But this Case is being held in santa maria California
a District known for their Republican Standards, and a whole lot of racial discrimination
Its probably that they didn't wan't the cas eto be held in santa barbara for 2 reasons
Because Much of MJ's neighbors are Liberal are in fact very fond of him
understandable
but they should of moved it to case with an equal amount of liberal and skeptical values
Like Orange County,
This Case is getting grim becase of the unfairness
Possibly because he's a rich black man
an increduluosly rich black man
Now im not saying this ha sanything to do with race
but this case is being watched
by every law district in the state of california
The superior court is watching the case to make sure no wrong doings are done
and so far as i watched the case
They've broken 2 civil rights in this case
i don't know who this judge is,
but i hope that he stops siding with prosecution,
not that he should side with the defence
only to side with whats Correct by the books
he discriminitory Bail, is just one example
I site The 1984 Bail reform Act
"If the defendent is at serious risk of flight
a 20 percent Bail increase is duly noted, but prosecution must present substantial evidence of the defence motive's, if unfounded Bail must remaine the same, no matter race,creed or income."
- U.S. v Salerno
Mj's estate s approx 200,000,000
3 million is no where near 20 percent
its too high
and without substantial evidence, its a civil right breaker

You´re lucky. I don´t have such a confidence. But I live in a different country. Like for example there´s a famous prisoner in our country accused of murder. One of few people over here who were put in jail for life and few years later, one journalist went through the documents and found out that he might be innocent. Not only that, but it seems that people who comminted the murder were the policers investigating the case. Of course they won´t put themselves into jail. But nothing has changed since than. It´s till the same guy who´s in the prison... I just see too much unfairness and I don´t know if it´s because I come from a coutry where a law system is not the best, but seeing the way this case is being handled, no matter how much I love MJ, really worries me. Because I just haven´t seen one single reason to believe that he is guilty (except him admiting to having children sleeping over and him being weird which for some poeple makes him guilty)- quite the contrary - and I simply can´t believe how far the case has gotten. And that REALLY worries me, cause I love him and I don´t think he deserves to be treated this way especially by the media.

dag said:

understandable,
believe it or not thats most like hundreds of prisoners in jail that are innocent
but in the U.S jail system
if you don't have enough money to defend yourself your guilty, no matter what
I believe mj is innocent
but i also believe he brought this all to himself
he needs to be more careful when befriending children
esp[pcially ones in unstable enviroments
thats the irony
both children that accused him of molestation
were in a bitter custody battle
He may be a child at heart
but at sometime we all have to grow up
we can always visit childhood, but we can't remain forever
if he isn't ore careful
this will just happen over and over again

Michael Jackson Releases Statement
Following recent reports about the settlement made by Michael Jackson in a case a decade ago, the King of Pop has released the following statement...

"I respect the obligation of confidentiality imposed on all of the parties to the 1993 proceedings. Yet, someone has chosen to violate the confidentiality of those proceedings. Whoever is now leaking this material is showing as much disrespect for the Santa Maria Court?s ?gag order? as they are a determination to attack me.

"No action or investigation has been taken to determine who is leaking this information or why they are permitted to violate the law in such a manner. I respectfully request that people see these efforts for what they are.

"These kinds of attacks and leaks seek to try the case in the press, rather than to a jury who will hear all of the evidence that will show that I did not, and would not, ever, harm a child. I have always maintained my innocence and vehemently denied that these events ever took place. I reluctantly chose to settle the false claims only to end the terrible publicity and to continue with my life and career.

"I ask all of my neighbors in Santa Maria, the people to whom I give my loyal trust and admiration, to keep an open mind and give me a chance to show that I am completely innocent of these charges. I will not let you down."


Oh I just love this man! I can´t help myself!



ít looks that you are guilty even when you have too much money, no matter what....

I know what you are trying to say, he is naive, bút on the other hand I can feel from him that he´s trying to be true to himself and hot pretend that he´s someone else, which is something I also admire about him. I respect that some people might think its also his fault, but I personally look at it differently, but that´s OK.
And I also believe that he is more mature than what we - the public - get to see, because media will focus just on that child-like side of his, which is more "sensational" I love what John Branca once said about him "Part of him may be a ten-year-old child with all the enthusiasms that implies - that´s the part that gets all the publicity. But the other part is a 60-year-ol genius." It´s easy to see that 60-year-old genius, if you want to, but most people simply don´t. I love his Oxford speach or his book Dancing the dream. That wasn´t written by an idiot. I remember when he was in Oxford the only thing media concentrated was not his speech, but wheter his leg was really broken or whether he was just faking it for attention. That´s how pathetic the media can be.

Luv4oneanotha said:

Very well said, Luv4OneAnotha.

dag said:

just what i think