dag said:

That's a stupid argument. People bitch about celebrities, ok? Fact of life. Look at the Halle Berry/Jennifer Lopez/whomeveryoulike threads.
[This message was edited Wed Jun 9 14:54:31 2004 by VoicesCarry]

LightOfArt said:

What's "igonarance"?

Is it me or Lisa Marie isn't even mentioned in the article? ( America Misses Michael Jackson!)
"Michael himself has moved on; he’s now the father of two children of his own, with his second wife, Debbie Rowe-Jackson. By most reports, they’re a happy couple," I guess that it's media's fault if all this is surrounded by mystery
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[This message was edited Wed Jun 9 16:29:24 2004 by jn2]

i don' care about lisa marie
she sunk low using their relationship to promote herself and music

MJ fans, stop trying to convert these people, or change ther minds. It ain't gonna work. Keep the "MJ is great" articles away from this thread. It just opens the thread up for more MJ bashing.

If this thread is not going to be about music, I think it should be deleted.

WildStyle said:

so we have the right to criticize everything / everyone but MJ?
question : wasn't Debbie Rowe anything else than a prostitute ( who sold kids not sex) for MJ ?
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[This message was edited Wed Jun 9 21:37:09 2004 by jn2]

I don't think there should be an MJ thread sticky at all. It's just a permanent resource for peeps to bash Michael Jackson. If they want to start there own thread for the sake of bashing him, fine. I just don't think there should be a permanent thread which allows non-stop bashing.

WildStyle said:

But you guys are on here with Pro-MJ messages. What's wrong with a little debate? An MJ thread devoted entirely to paying homage would be ridiculous. People have their opinions - many of them do relate to his music.

Fact is that MJ is currently in the news for something other than his music. It's a big story and people want to talk about it.

WildStyle said:

which "non-stop bashing"? you sound only like a hypocrite cry baby , you weren't complaining about the sticky when all post were pro Mj, were you?

jn2 said:

jn2 u dont sound ok from here...It seems that you are enjoying it, it seems that you WANT mike to be guilty! This is kinda sick you know. wanting mike be guilty means you want the kid molested...

And its not onlyt you, many people here seem to think same way

I'm just asking about the mystery surrounding his ex wife & their children

Actually I was talking about your other comments in other threads, like this one :

" Michael can do a cover of an Elvis song --> Jailhouse Pop " - Jn2

jn2 said:

I actually said the same thing when the first MJ sticky was made. It's very annoying when people like you only want to post negative comments. At least mix it up, damn. It seems you have already made up your mind whether he is guilty or not without hearing a shred of evidence. So why are you even posting in a thread about a peadophile?

I am just gonna keep out of these threads. An MJ thread on a Prince board ain't never gonna be pretty. I'll just leave it at that.

What I dont understand is why people who dont like too see or talk about MJ keep entering MJ threads. If your gonna be unhappy for what you'll see why do you ever look at it?

adoreme said:

there is no debate
its basically extremely biased,
MJ hating no different then why prince-haters sign up to bash P on the org
now i know nobody's perfect but to plain ridicule a person is extremely immature
i don't mind if your stating opinion
but if your just re-hashing your hate and making comments out of sheer slander, thats just plain idiotic
I don't go to madonna Forum's and Bash just for my amusement
perhaps im just the bigger man...

Luv4oneanotha said:

Perhaps you are...

I don't think there are many on here who are shamelessly "bashing" as you call it. I just find that many MJ fans are unwilling to accept an alternative opinion. I understand their feelings. However given the unique situation MJ is in (not comparable with any of his contemporaries) he will inevitably be a subject of heavy debate and strong opinion.

The MJ thread wasn#t created to discuss his music . It was born of many threads regarding his current situation, most of them created by you, Luv4oneanotha. Stuff like that will always spark discussion like this.

LightOfArt said:

it was supposed to be funny
but I have the feeling that all the lies/hidden surrounding the children, their mother etc are the roots of another tragedy

jn2 said:

lovely sense of humour

You know why I wrote that? Because I don´t have experience with it, because I don´t visit threads about artists I am not interested it just to tell everyone how "boring" they seem to me or what I don´t like about them. And I have never understood why people do that.
But still I think that those people who visit internet to bash celebrities are very sick themselves and must have a desperately boring lives. This is the most desperate thing to do - to take your time to come on the net to bash others. I love Prince´s quote :"wouldn´t it be great to spend your life telling people about what you love. But to spend your life criticizing other´s that´s just....." And he got interupted by Mel who was interviewing him
I come to the internet to talk about artist that I love and have noone, who´s also interested to talk about it. So I come here for the news and to share my opinions, that´s all. That´s why I made that stupid argument. out of "inexperience with other celebrities hate threats", I guess.
But you know what? I still think that when someone tends to visit certain artist that he or she hates regurarly, there must be a certain kind of obsession on their part and those poeple usually even don´t know about it. I think love and hate are very close! I think it´s ridiculous to think that when you click on something that it doesn´t mean that you are interested. Of course you are, otherwise you´d pass it and search for something "more interesting". I mean do who reads all the books, all the magazines and watch all the TV shows? Nobody! People read only things that they are interested in.

But you know what? I still think that when someone tends to visit certain artist that he or she hates regurarly, there must be a certain kind of obsession on their part and those poeple usually even don´t know about it. I think love and hate are very close! I think it´s ridiculous to think that when you click on something that it doesn´t mean that you are interested. Of course you are, otherwise you´d pass it and search for something "more interesting". I mean do who reads all the books, all the magazines and watch all the TV shows?

you know the answer and no need of silly psychoanalysis it's because MJ is a fascinating freak

adoreme said:

your right,
but haven't you noticed that i hardly take part in these discussions anymore
I've Lost interest in his current sittuation
I just don't think that any type of negativity will solve anything
all is fair if your skeptical in any manner and care to criticize
but to go out and say Debbie rowe was a prostitute
i mean C'mon...
Their are alot of People On The Org that are Skeptical of MJ but they use an Intelligent output
not a childish one

WildStyle said:

The initial idea behind the sticky was to bring to a halt all the simular MJ threads... they were non-stop and tend to flood the Org.

However, I'm beginning to subscribe to your theory...


The MJ sticky is no more... that does not mean that it's open season to post a hundred million MJ threads...

Let's keep it to a minimum... and discuss with respect amongst your fellow Orgers.

K?

wait a minute...the other mj thread, the one regarding lip syncing and bootlegs, was locked because ONE already exists?!? are we only aloud to have ONE mj thread? this is kinda silly...i mean i understand ONE thread regarding the LEGAL problems and all but ONE thread for every mj topic? that's a little narrow, i think. there are 2 janet threads, 2 ray charles threads (pretty much about the same thing), 2 britney threads, 3 mariah threads (once again, the same subject)...all on the first page of the forum. hmmm...

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[This message was edited Thu Jun 10 22:08:27 2004 by SassyBritches]
[This message was edited Thu Jun 10 22:26:05 2004 by SassyBritches]

Yes, he is fascinating freak, but to you! Most people I know don´t find him fascinating enough to search the web about him. They will read articles that they just come across, but are not looking for those articles. But once you make that effort to search them, that´s when you become fascinated in some way. And I admit I AM FASCINATED!!

Michael's response to death of Ray Charles:

" I am saddened to hear of the death of my friend, Ray Charles. He was a true legend...an American Treasure. His music is timeless; his contributions to the music industry...unequalled; and his influence, unparalleled. His caring and humility spoke volumes. He paved the way for so many of us, and I will forever remember him in my heart. "

SassyBritches said:

I agree. that really pissed me off. That thread was going along nicely. Nana and me posted about seeing the Bad and Lovesexy tours within days of each other and how cool that was, and then BAM! locked. there was no ill will on that thread just a decent discussion.

Ridiculous.

Marrk said:

all the drama just because of 2-3 non MJ adoring posts
but to go out and say Debbie rowe was a prostitute
i mean C'mon...
because you really believe that they were in love? I mean C'mon...
[This message was edited Fri Jun 11 14:13:31 2004 by jn2]

June7 said:

Fuck!

No one reads anymore? Read this and quit accusing me of shit... this WAS the sticky... it's been removed for the reason I ALREADY stated... damn. People...

(and the other thread was deleted because AT THE TIME this was a sticky for MJ topics!)

READ!!

jn2 said:

i don't think they were in love but its a stretch to call her a prostitute , and down right immature
[This message was edited Fri Jun 11 21:18:10 2004 by Luv4oneanotha]