Luv4oneanotha said:

Well I would NEVER want Prince to do anything for Mike. Mike probably doesnt want to hear the name Prince after all the things Prince has said and written about Mike. Prince would never want to see mike too. It is so obvious that P hates MJ for some reason.

Yes I think it would be cool if mike did Soul. I dont think mike is the king of r&b, yes he was and is the king of popular music.

i wouldnt want Michael to play instruments in concerts. No, that just aint Mike. MJ puts on his robotic glittering outfits and dances u to hell...

Mike did most of the job for his albums and he never took credit...He just started admitting that he plays instruments in botdf and invincible. He played guitar, piano and drums etc.

I agree that he should not give a fuck about about sales anymore. He just wants to show to the world that hes the best but I think he already proved it so he shouldnt give a shit about sales... Mike should work with Q again or he should do it himself. His problem is that he thinks " more producers, better the album" thats why most of the songs in invincible sux coz they r over produced, but ballads like Speechless that he has written and produced are the best parts of the album.

Mike man if ure reading this, how many more years we will have to wait for ur next album???
[This message was edited Sat Jun 5 1:42:58 2004 by LightOfArt]

LightOfArt said:

Someone was askin me the other day about MJ as a musician, what instruments could he play and how he wrote songs, and I couldn't really give them a straight answer.

I recalled some text I read that said MJ beatboxed all of the elements of his songs onto a dictaphone and that's how he wrote.

I don´t know if any of you saw it, guys, but there´s a 4 hour footage of Mexican deposition in court that mIke gave when he was sued. One guy was trying to claim that he wrote The girl is mine. And Mike had there his "work" tape (a cassette) where there was him just dictating the song into it. And they were playing him always just pieces of it -of him singing one line - and than asked him what it was and he remembered that exactly 10 years afterwards. He just remembered exactly what was on his mind. He would say: " Oh yeah that´s piana, but I don´t use this one anymore. We´ve changed this part." or this is background sound. It´s a harmony part. I think there´s like 6 different harmony notes and that´s just one of 6." It was just amazing to watch. He´s just a GENIUS! Cause imagine he had to sing all those instruments with his voice and then recognize what is what and give it to musicians to play it the way he wanted it. And at the end they played the demo of The girl is mine, which I personally found much better than the version that´s on the album. It was perfect! I think that he must also have tons of unreleased great songs at home. I with he´d release them one day.

dag said:

wait I heard something from that court case too, but he was beatboxin' Billie Jean, sort of how he explained it to Martin Bashir.

CinisterCee said:

erm...is it a good or a bad thing??

Yes something like that. But there´s 4 hours of it and it was mainly about The girl is mine and We are the world. Really amazing footage. If you know Jetzi, she´s got it.
He´s not just singing the beatbox, but everything, all the instruments, and BTW he said that he played on piano on the demo version of The girl is mine. So he probably can play some instruments, you know he´s probably not master on any of them, but he can sure play something....

dag said:

Yes, he is a genius. Thanx 4 posting this.I saw this also, and thought it was really amazing. Sometime ago, i referred to this, but no1 seemed to notice or ignored this.

OMG give this a listen, thats a Michael Jackson Support Song from MJ fans...The girls voice is just hmmm,
Its called "Calling Michael"
Its a ballad

http://www.united-fans-fo...ichael.mp3

Here is the web site: www.united-fans-for-michael.de
Make sure you download "Calling Michael" other song is not good

Warning: MJ haters, dont download it. It can make you sick!
[This message was edited Sat Jun 5 5:52:49 2004 by LightOfArt]

LightOfArt said:

Well it is more intricate than I stated, with him recording parts of harmony separately which really is brilliant I think.

LightOfArt said:

Someone In The Dark is a great track but I personally much prefer Carousel, the full version on Mike Sembello's site is very cool!

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VoicesCarry said:

This sounds very cool, wouldn't this b released by Sony to fulfill MJ's contractual obligation with the label. I also read in J Randy Taraborrelli's book that MJ had been negotiating with Sony to obtain the Master tapes of his recordings 4 Sony which would ofcourse include 'Thriller'. Has any1 heard/read about this and what the current situation is. I don't think Sony will easily give up the Master's unless MJ paid them or they took a huge percentage of royalties on any future releases such as the boxset mentioned and perhaps a new MJ album 4 a new label.

CinisterCee said:

Hey I found an mp3 of mj beatboxing to "who is it" . its pretty amazing much better than that justin does

its a fast download, just 700KB

http://www.humanbeatbox.com/audio/

LightOfArt said:

LightofArt, I thought that MJ was the best thing since sliced bread when I was a kid! But this stuff is utter toss! How is some bird singing "you're innocent" going to change anything right now?

MJ's career is potentially dead. He hasn't produced anything substantial since Dangerous, in my opinion. He was a fantastic musician but whatever demons he is fighting now have put an end to that. I don't know what happened to him as a kid but his fans really need to stop making excuses for his behaviour.

Incidentally - just for the record I was listening to "Off the Wall" yesterday. Pure pop perfection. I am not a hater. I am a realist.

Well I haven´t heard the song and I don´t feel like listening to it. It´s really nice that someone wrote the song and dedicated it to him, but I am just also not into this kinda stuff.
But Adoreme, you have to understand that we are not excusing his behaviour. We just love him "unconditionally" - not blindly, but unconditionally, I am not looking for excuses, I just love him with all his shortcomings and faults - afterall Mike´s also only human. If we seem to fight all the time and excuse him, it´s because we are sick and tired of all the hate towards him that we have to deal in everyday life in the media and people we meet. Because while other´s people´s shortcomings and faults are been overlooked or simply viewed as a part of being human, with Mike it is just an excuse to point him out as an alien or not being human. Hope you know what I mean guys and don´t sound "TOO FANATIC and out of my mind" as MJ´s fans are being looked at.

And as for his career, well I think the last big thing he did was History and after having kids I kinda expected him to take a break and with this going on I mean it´s no wonder he´s silent, but that doesn´t mean he´s finished. If he survives this recent shit I am sure he´s gonna come BACK STRONGER THAN EVER BEFORE, because I don´t believe he´d let his career to end up this way. He´d do it just for the sake of it to prove that he didn´t finish because others wanted him to, but to show that he will finish when HE feels like it. Even if it should be his last album I am sure he´ll come back (if he won´t go into jail, which I pray he won´t).

adoreme said:

exactly. yours
[This message was edited Sun Jun 6 12:48:45 2004 by LightOfArt]

Let me add the last thing he was willing to support widely like going on tour, having videos etc. PLus there was that conflict with Sony which public doesn´t know a lot about and some people may call a paranoia on MJ´s side but on the other hand MJ wasn´t the only artist ever to complain and if he was paranoid why would he record for example What more can I give with so many people and not release it eventually is something I personally don´t understand.

LightOfArt said:

That doesn't mean that it is any less valid as a point. You seem to have a blind spot when it comes to any opinion that isn't a carbon copy of your own.

adoreme said:


Adoreme what I meant was that its only your opinion and that I disagree. If you wanna know what I think there it goes:

I didnt say the support song will do any good to the trial. It is recorded to cheer up MJ and give him some moral. A gesture to cheer him up, and its what he needs and completely deserves.(I didnt create it I am just guessing)

I think he still is a brilliant musician. Just because you didnt like HIStory doesnt mean he has lost "it". I think HIStory is one of the best albums ever by any artist.

I think Musicology is not a good album but that does NOT make me think that Prince is not a good musician anymore.

I am not making any excuses for MJs behaviours, I am just saying what I believe is right and I would think and act the same way for any other person

And you mentioned Off The Wall; I think its gr8 but not his best.

Thx

I expect this to cause a lively discussion again, but what the hell. I love this article....If you´re a fan, you love it, if not, you won´t...

America Misses Michael Jackson!

It's true! America misses Michael Jackson -- and what's more, we want Michael back!

by valsadie@aol.com
02/07/99

Must I paint all of you a picture? Well, wait, I guess I must. This is the multi-faceted, multi-talented, multi-controversial Michael Jackson of which I’m speaking...

African-American popular music singer Michael Jackson has almost always been talked about, especially during his meteoric career rise in the early 1980s. There were mostly comments deriding his appearance and manner. But the bulk of them were good-natured jokes; in an outspoken, clothes-make-the-man kind of country like America, anyone who chooses to talk in whispers and dress in pants barely reaching his ankles is truly asking -- nay, begging -- for ridicule! And we won't even discuss the floppy black fedora, and the sparkly quasi-military/Sgt. Pepper's/bandleader uniforms and single sparkly white glove which defined his persona back then. Greet Michael Jackson --the King of Sequins!

And his choosing to have children as his constant companions -- from the anonymous to the famous -- seemed to point to no more than a continued immaturity on his part. Deep down, we all sympathized with Michael's attempts to experience a childhood he was very publicly robbed of while being the lead singer of one of the most influential R&B groups in the world, the Jackson Five, during the 1970s. But it was still just another chuckle, another potshot to take at the man who, when attending the Grammy Awards in 1984 and becoming its most lucrative single-show recipient (a record he still holds as of 1999), attended with statuesque model/actress Brooke Shields -- and then television star, kid actor Emmanuel Lewis. It was all just more eye rolling.

The eye rolling did turn into quizzical looks as the 1980s wore on, with stories of Michael's wanting to buy the remains of the so-called "Elephant Man," wanting to buy a hyperbaric chamber, supposedly so that he could live to be 150, and on and on. But it was still just gossip and idle stories. If anything, these items just kept Michael's name in the papers. More jokes were made, though they seemed to be getting a little meaner.

Actually, the most startling development with Michael in the late 1980s was that he seemed to be growing lighter and lighter in complexion as time went on, something which he would not explain or even admit to at the time, and which sparked even more gossip and speculation and idle stories. By 1990, all of it left us with a picture of Michael as someone who seemed to be very out of touch with reality, someone whose excess of riches had led to an excess of eccentricities. Someone who, with the lightened skin and with the nose and chin plastic surgeries, seemed to be trying to turn himself into someone more Caucasian in appearance, which sounded a death knell to his status as a figure of acclaim in the African-American community. To some, to many, but it wouldn’t be accurate to say to all.

At worst, we thought Michael was just very weird. His actual identity seemed vague and hazy and not well-formed (or was that not well-informed?), but he was still held to be a decent person and not a real harm to anyone.

That all ended in the fall of 1993. On the eve of Michael’s full-scale world tour, which celebrated his nearly fifteen years of adult solo career success, he was accused of sexual abuse of a child. The child, a thirteen-year-old boy, had been, along with his mother and sister, among Michael’s traveling companions that year, including being with him at the World Music Awards held in Monaco in 1993. The event had been shown on television here in America, on the ABC network, in the spring. Nearly every reaction shot of Michael sitting in the audience – and there were several, as Michael was very purposefully placed in the front row and received a good handful of the awards presented that evening as well – featured the accusing boy sitting on Michael’s lap.

A pretty damning image...

I remember looking at it when it aired and thinking a little disparagingly of Michael – but certainly not in the way in which he was later accused. I was thinking that Michael certainly had a lot of nerve having a kid on his lap that wasn’t even his. If I were that kid’s father, I’d be mad as hell to turn on my TV and find the world seeing my kid on some other guy’s lap--!

A prophetic thought...?

And 1993 started so well. Finally, Michael seemed to be facing up to all the confusions surrounding his person and persona and was responding to them. In 1993, Michael sat down face to face with famed TV personality Oprah Winfrey and answered questions in a live one-and-a-half-hour interview (something which I’d then thought about as probable as Chicago Bulls star Michael Jordan leaving basketball to try his hand at playing professional baseball... and we all know how that turned out). Before the interview, he’d given an impassioned, thoughtful speech in his acceptance of the 1993 Lifetime Achievement Award at the Grammy Awards that year. Michael seemed to finally be coming out of his Neverland shell.

But the child abuse accusation pushed Michael back into that shell. And as 1993 became 1994, the legitimate media -- which had initially supported Michael in his fight against the allegations -- seeing their circulation and viewer numbers dropping in the wake of the tabloid media’s focus on the more sensational facets of the case, changed direction and then took the lead in presenting speculations and a string of untried statements, both from Michael’s former employees and his estranged sister, La Toya, as fact. It was a textbook definition of a “media feeding frenzy.” Each new speculation from a tabloid newspaper such as “The National Enquirer” easily became the lead story on the more-respected network evening news. No one questioned the motivations of any of these participants, and Michael’s continued denials seemed to go unheard. In 1994, Michael came back to an America that no longer regarded him as just a little weird, but to a place where he was considered to be among the very worst of humanity. It no longer mattered if he was innocent or not. It had been decided in the court of public opinion that he must be guilty, that any child he’d ever been seen with must also be a victim of sexual molestation, that Michael must have carried on for years sexually abusing children.

Michael’s disillusionment with America can only be very real.

In 1994, when Michael saw the machinations of the grand jury that was convened, and how the speculations of the media were being allowed to filter into the courtroom and were coloring every statement, every action, every deed he’d ever performed, he understood the enormity of the damage to his persona, his person, his career.

At the time, we were shocked that Michael decided to settle out of court. It was assumed that Michael would be some kind of combination Rambo/General Patton and “fight them on the beaches” of both Santa Barbara and Los Angeles, the two court districts in which he was accused. To many – and I mean, many – Michael’s decision to settle out of court was held to be indicative of his guilt. Why would he pay so much money to someone if he wasn’t guilty? Conversely, in a perverted way of thinking, the motivation of the accusing boy’s family was never questioned. It was assumed that receiving $20 million or so (as it was widely reported but not yet proven) should be able to cure any wounds or trauma suffered by the boy. Why wouldn’t you take any money that’s being offered to you for free, no matter what the circumstances?
It was a sick time in America.

And so Michael has continued his career outside of America. Michael agreed to let Sony release the long-delayed double-album greatest hits set called, “HIStory” in 1995, with one disc of Michael’s previous hit songs and one whole disc of new material. In 1997 came the tandem album, “Blood on the Dance Floor,” a set of remixes of the new songs on “HIStory.” Both sold respectably. But they weren’t superstar act numbers. There was now a moral component out there, as no wanted to buy the music of someone thought to be guilty of such a heinous crime – no matter that this guilt was never proven in a court of law, only out of the mouths of pressured and roundly irresponsible journalists. For the first time, Michael launched a full-scale concert tour -- complete with incredible set pieces, with fireworks, a light show, magic tricks, with an exciting piece of computer animation, explosions, in-jokes (At one point, Michael strides out on the stage carrying a suitcase. He very deliberately sets the suitcase on top of a stool, opens it, and then takes out the aforementioned black fedora and sequined glove. He dons them and then bursts into a rousing version of “Billie Jean.” What a showman!) – and never played one date in mainland America, just a few dates in distant Hawaii.

It also seems that Michael may continue his life outside of America; it was reported in USA WEEKEND newspaper in late 1998 that Neverland Ranch is for sale.

Only now is America seeing the error of its ways. With the advent of the internet, Matt Drudge, and Kenneth Starr, we’re starting to understand that when you play with fire – when you toss around someone’s reputation like it’s a hot potato – you get burned. America is currently facing the possible removal of its elected leader, President Bill Clinton. Despite the facts of the case, the path which has led us there can only be described as stultifyingly mucky, muddy, and low.

Also, the shocking accidental death of Diana, Princess of Wales, due to a fatal car crash in 1997, which is suspected to have been caused in some way by the tabloid photographers chasing her, has proved particularly sobering.

It’s still never been proven whether Michael Jackson was guilty of the crime of which he was accused. Michael himself has moved on; he’s now the father of two children of his own, with his second wife, Debbie Rowe-Jackson. By most reports, they’re a happy couple, with two children who should never want for anything. By other reports, his wife is merely a salaried employee, paid well to sire two children of the self-proclaimed “King of Pop.” Moreover, Michael is supposedly going broke due to having to pay off other secret child abuse allegations and lawsuits.

Some people haven’t yet learned.

Ironically, America could use an entertainer like Michael right now. And I don’t mean that particularly musically. Certainly current musical artists like Garth Brooks, Celine Dion, Mariah Carey, Sean “Puffy” Combs, the Spice Girls, and Shania Twain have achieved Michael-like dimension in their careers, while Michael’s 1980s contemporaries Madonna and (the artist formerly known as) Prince continue to have some presence. Longtime artists like the Rolling Stones, Aerosmith, Cher, Kiss, and Aretha Franklin continue to meet new challenges along with younger counterparts like Whitney Houston, Michael’s sister Janet Jackson, the Beastie Boys, Will Smith, and George Michael, while comparable upstarts like Master P, Brandy, Lauryn Hill, Hole, Marilyn Manson, Usher, Jay-Z, and the Backstreet Boys always seem to be around the corner, reminding us to keep a look out for the new crop. But that’s kind of the point. The music business has changed, and it’s all so splintered now. You couldn’t have a “Michael Jackson” these days, the entire apparatus of the music industry is different. Michael’s music cut across so many Americans of various ages, races, and cultures, unifying them. In this time of uncertainty and doubt of the future of the leadership in our country, when it seems our elected officials aren’t listening to their constituents and are seizing power for themselves, we could use some semblance of unity in our country. At one time, Michael certainly provided that. Now that we could use it again, it’s seemingly gone forever.

So it’s my contention that America misses Michael Jackson, misses that time of unity – and we want Michael back! You don’t have to look very far to see earmarks of this. Sure, Michael is still the target of a cheap joke every now and then, but I’ve noticed a handful of occurrences now where Michael’s name and image have been invoked not only without such scorn, but also with much admiration and celebration.

Just watch one of the surprise hit films of late 1998, “Rush Hour.” The film’s star, Chris Tucker, refers to Michael in a handful of the film’s lines and even performs some of Michael’s signature dance moves.

The USA TODAY newspaper, in their 1999 review of the book, 1,000 Years, 1,000 People: Ranking the Men and Women Who Shaped the Millennium, mentioned that Michael Jackson was among some of the other “most famous names of the 20th century” inexplicably altogether missing from the book’s pages.

Plucky 1996 Olympic Gymnast Amanda Borden currently has in her repertoire a floor routine performed to the music of Michael’s “Thriller”-era hits, complete with flourishes of the choreography found in the “Beat It” video. She was cheered to high marks in an early 1999 competition with this routine.

Perhaps the most telling was a performance I witnessed from professional figure skater Viktor Petrenko. One of his artistic long programs in this 1998-1999 season is performed to a medley of Michael’s songs, which spans songs from “Billie Jean” to “You are Not Alone.” And Viktor even dresses the part! This Russian figure skater, the last male Olympic champion under the old, stolid communist U.S.S.R., skates this routine – which includes skating moves mimicking Michael’s moonwalk, pop-locking, and pelvic thrusts – while wearing (the now infamous!) black fedora and white sequined glove! Viktor performed this routine at a show in Las Vegas in late 1998 and was honored with a thunderous standing ovation!

Even on the flip side, when Michael is invoked in order to make those cheap jokes, lately the results have been more eye-opening than eye-rolling. The Fox television show, “MadTV,” has consistently performed sketches ridiculing various aspects of Michael (proving they have at least some kind of fascination with him). But on Halloween in 1998, an otherwise derisive running sketch on the show which climaxed with a confrontation between one of the show’s cast members portraying Michael and the actual four members of the rock band Kiss, doing a guest appearance on the show, ended with Kiss member Ace saying the lines, “He’ll be back. He always comes back.”

Now if that isn’t food for thought, I don’t know what is.

I don’t pretend that this is all quarters heard from concerning Michael. But clearly we’re becoming aware of a void, of knowing that something that used to be there is now gone. We’ve started to remember and revalue what it is that Michael Jackson brought to America and his contribution to popular culture. Hopefully, it’s not too late for us that all we’ll have of Michael is those memories, that in some way Michael will be able to finish what he started. Michael is not dead (sadly, like some music artists we could all name), nor has he made any real decisions that have damaged his career and credibility (likewise some other musical artists we could all name). In other parts of the world, Michael is still thriving and inspiring audiences to much acclaim and applause. It’s time to let go of all the confusion and cheer not only those who invoke Michael, but Michael himself. Michael deserves to let his career subside here in America on its own, and not let it be that it was cut short due to the abnormal events of the 1990s.
Michael, can you ever forgive us? Come on home!

Chico1 said:

Yeah, why talk about music in a Michael Jackson thread? Let's just all belittle him. After all, that's what Michael Jackson threads are for.

It just proves how many people are obsessed with him. Cause even the so-called haters do take their time to come here and tell us that. You won´t see that happening with any other artist.

I've read that article b4. i think its gr8. so honest and so true

I saw the "Enjoy Yourself" video today and I thought, why did MJ feel so ugly in those years???

Is anyone here old enough to remember MJ's adolescence or acne problem?

CinisterCee said:

never give a perfectionist to ability to change himself...

which 1 is the enjoy ur self video? is it the one where mj was wearing a shirt with a big star on it?

LightOfArt said:

No that wasn't the one, the Jacksons were all wearing suits in it, but it wasn't the Cher show either.

I think it is from the Mike Douglas show 1977 performance:


wow look at this link http://www.michaelvideos.ro/j5.htm

Hey I found a gr8 interview of MJ from 2001...You can listen it online at here:

http://www.thebeatla.com/...?pageId=81

It is at number 14 under the title Interviews & Live Performances 2001-2003

that's just ridiculous, fortunately all pedophiles/ serial killers.. aren't famous artists

jn2 said:

Thats just ridiculous, fortunately not all people are..as prejudging as u
"prejudice is igonarance" - mj (1991)
[This message was edited Wed Jun 9 14:26:06 2004 by LightOfArt]