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PrintableAsylumUtopia said: DavidEye said: Oh please,Madonna is KNOWN for outstanding videos! Her videos are notorious for being edgy,provocative,stylish and brazenly bizarre (just like her concerts).
Outstanding Madonna Videos--- "Material Girl" (1984) "Papa Don't Preach" (1986) "Like A Prayer" (1989) "Express Yourself" (1989) "Oh Father" (1989) "Vogue" (1990) "Justify My Love" (1990) "Deeper And Deeper" (1992) "Bad Girl" (1992) "Bedtime Story" (1994) "Human Nature" (1994) "Frozen" (1998) "Ray Of Light" (1998) "Music" (2000) "Don't Tell Me" (2000) "American Life" (2003) Well, of those you've listed I don't recall seeing the last 4, so no comment on those. Of the others, I personally wouldn't rate any of them as outstanding. I agree with you that her videos are generally edgy, provocative, stylish and brazenly bizarre, and a hell of a lot more entertaining than your average video. They just don't strike me as outstanding, at least not when compared with the likes of Scream or Black and White. Then again, I'm probably not the best person in the world to discuss videos with, I dislike most of them (particularly faux-live-performance videos) and I think the majority of people making them fail to grasp the idea that the video should enhance the song. BORDERLINE and LIKE A VIRGIN are great videos for the era it came out in...Mary LAmbert directed both. Let the rain come down...17 days.... | |
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DavidEye said: WildStyle said: Dang, people just can't look past Thriller. Pisses me off man  I remember not being overwhelmed by the "Bad" videos.The title track video is just plain tacky (Prince was smart not to appear in it)..."The Way You Make Me Feel" was uneventful....the only great video from this project was "Smooth Criminal".In later years,his "Earth Song" video was cool,but like I said,Madonna's been more consistent with her videos."The Way You Make Me Feel" freaked me out. I mean the girl looks really scared with Mikey and his boys chasing round after her. I know it's meant to be a seduction but it just plays to me like he is railroading her into being "his girl". Not the way to treat a lady. Madonna is the ultimate MTV icon. Nobody touches her.  Of course my opinion is completely objective.... | |
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DavidEye said: AsylumUtopia said: I'm not a huge fan of either MJ or Madonna (although I do like them both) but without even thinking about it I can name several outstanding MJ videos : The 3 you mentioned of course, Man in the mirror, Black or white, Earth song, and possibly the best video ever made : Scream. Without even thinking about it I can name... no Madonna video that strikes me as outstanding. Not a one. I don't follow Madge's career too closely so I may have missed the outstanding videos, so which ones are they ? I think perhaps 'controversial' is being confused with 'outstanding'. Then again, as far as I know she doesn't allocate millions for each video, which is probably where the difference is. If you throw tons of money at every video you're bound to hit 'outstanding' at least some of the time. Oh please,Madonna is KNOWN for outstanding videos! Her videos are notorious for being edgy,provocative,stylish and brazenly bizarre (just like her concerts). Outstanding Madonna Videos--- "Material Girl" (1984) "Papa Don't Preach" (1986) "Like A Prayer" (1989) "Express Yourself" (1989) "Oh Father" (1989) "Vogue" (1990) "Justify My Love" (1990) "Deeper And Deeper" (1992) "Bad Girl" (1992) "Bedtime Story" (1994) "Human Nature" (1994) "Frozen" (1998) "Ray Of Light" (1998) "Music" (2000) "Don't Tell Me" (2000) "American Life" (2003) Out of those Madonna videos, the only ones that didn't look like they were filmed by a film student with a cheap camera was "Material Girl", "Like A Prayer", "Express Yourself" (still my favorite), "Human Nature", "Music", "Frozen", "American Life", and "Ray of Light". The rest of them (the ones I can remember anyway) weren't anything spectacular. I love "Lucky Star", but that video just screams "low-budget, last minute production" to me. I remember the first time I finally got to see "Justify My Love". My reaction consisted of, "That's it...that's what all the fuss was over. Okay?" Good songs, but, like Prince, the videos were far from outstanding. MJ wins in the music video deparment, even though more of Madonna's songs are lyrically superior to me than Micheal's. Many of Madonna's and Prince's music videos were utterly forgettable or just plain terrible. Just my opinion though.
"Billie Jean", "Beat It", "Thriller", "Man in the Mirror", "Black or White", "Earth Song", "Scream" (Awesome!!), "Bad", "Smooth Criminal"(still my second all time favorite), "The Way You Make Me Feel", "In The Closet", "Remember The Time" (still one of the best dance videos ever made, next to Janet's "IF"), "Dirty Diana", "You Are Not Alone" (MJ naked...  ...that's pretty unforgettable), "Leave Me Alone", "Ghosts", even "I Wanna Rock With You" are videos that I can still remember very clearly and I haven't seen them in years. They were that damn good to me. The major difference between MJ and Madonna's videos is that Michael doesn't have to put out a new video all that often, because you know that when he does release a new one, it's going to be pretty good or at least decent. I even remember "You Rock My World", even though it wasn't all that great. For me, Micheal will be remembered for the music videos, Prince will be remembered for his musical versatility and successful film, and Madonna will be remembered as the "Queen of Controversy and shock tactics" nothing more.SPREAD LOVE UNTIL THE SUN'S FINAL RISE--The Duality a.k.a. "WYNTER SKYE" | |
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estelle1981 said: DavidEye said: Oh please,Madonna is KNOWN for outstanding videos! Her videos are notorious for being edgy,provocative,stylish and brazenly bizarre (just like her concerts). Outstanding Madonna Videos--- "Material Girl" (1984) "Papa Don't Preach" (1986) "Like A Prayer" (1989) "Express Yourself" (1989) "Oh Father" (1989) "Vogue" (1990) "Justify My Love" (1990) "Deeper And Deeper" (1992) "Bad Girl" (1992) "Bedtime Story" (1994) "Human Nature" (1994) "Frozen" (1998) "Ray Of Light" (1998) "Music" (2000) "Don't Tell Me" (2000) "American Life" (2003) Out of those Madonna videos, the only ones that didn't look like they were filmed by a film student with a cheap camera was "Material Girl", "Like A Prayer", "Express Yourself" (still my favorite), "Human Nature", "Music", "Frozen", "American Life", and "Ray of Light". The rest of them (the ones I can remember anyway) weren't anything spectacular. I love "Lucky Star", but that video just screams "low-budget, last minute production" to me. I remember the first time I finally got to see "Justify My Love". My reaction consisted of, "That's it...that's what all the fuss was over. Okay?" Good songs, but, like Prince, the videos were far from outstanding. MJ wins in the music video deparment, even though more of Madonna's songs are lyrically superior to me than Micheal's. Many of Madonna's and Prince's music videos were utterly forgettable or just plain terrible. Just my opinion though.
"Billie Jean", "Beat It", "Thriller", "Man in the Mirror", "Black or White", "Earth Song", "Scream" (Awesome!!), "Bad", "Smooth Criminal"(still my second all time favorite), "The Way You Make Me Feel", "In The Closet", "Remember The Time" (still one of the best dance videos ever made, next to Janet's "IF"), "Dirty Diana", "You Are Not Alone" (MJ naked... ...that's pretty unforgettable), "Leave Me Alone", "Ghosts", even "I Wanna Rock With You" are videos that I can still remember very clearly and I haven't seen them in years. They were that damn good to me. The major difference between MJ and Madonna's videos is that Michael doesn't have to put out a new video all that often, because you know that when he does release a new one, it's going to be pretty good or at least decent. I even remember "You Rock My World", even though it wasn't all that great. For me,Micheal will be remembered for the music videos, Prince will be remembered for his musical versatility and successful film, and Madonna will be remembered as the "Queen of Controversy and shock tactics" nothing more.People should remember him as a musical genius, legendary performer, king of pop,rock and soul and dance, but afterall the mess going on right now "an average video artist" is even too much to expect... People will remember him as a: "Freak Homosexual Pedophile" [This message was edited Tue Jun 1 9:45:14 2004 by LightOfArt] | |
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An MTV icon imust be someone like Madonna...Yes I think Mike did the best videos but Michael is first of all a great singer,songwriter,dancer,performer etc etc...
What MTV ICON is "a rise because of videos,sex,beauty,controversy,shock...." = Madonna Madonna fans dont get mad at me! I think Ive stated before that i think shes pretty talented [This message was edited Tue Jun 1 9:50:32 2004 by LightOfArt] | |
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LightOfArt said: estelle1981 said: Out of those Madonna videos, the only ones that didn't look like they were filmed by a film student with a cheap camera was "Material Girl", "Like A Prayer", "Express Yourself" (still my favorite), "Human Nature", "Music", "Frozen", "American Life", and "Ray of Light". The rest of them (the ones I can remember anyway) weren't anything spectacular. I love "Lucky Star", but that video just screams "low-budget, last minute production" to me. I remember the first time I finally got to see "Justify My Love". My reaction consisted of, "That's it...that's what all the fuss was over. Okay?" Good songs, but, like Prince, the videos were far from outstanding. MJ wins in the music video deparment, even though more of Madonna's songs are lyrically superior to me than Micheal's. Many of Madonna's and Prince's music videos were utterly forgettable or just plain terrible. Just my opinion though.
"Billie Jean", "Beat It", "Thriller", "Man in the Mirror", "Black or White", "Earth Song", "Scream" (Awesome!!), "Bad", "Smooth Criminal"(still my second all time favorite), "The Way You Make Me Feel", "In The Closet", "Remember The Time" (still one of the best dance videos ever made, next to Janet's "IF"), "Dirty Diana", "You Are Not Alone" (MJ naked... ...that's pretty unforgettable), "Leave Me Alone", "Ghosts", even "I Wanna Rock With You" are videos that I can still remember very clearly and I haven't seen them in years. They were that damn good to me. The major difference between MJ and Madonna's videos is that Michael doesn't have to put out a new video all that often, because you know that when he does release a new one, it's going to be pretty good or at least decent. I even remember "You Rock My World", even though it wasn't all that great. For me,[color=red:f668beec4a]Micheal will be remembered for the music videos[/color], Prince will be remembered for his musical versatility and successful film, and Madonna will be remembered as the "Queen of Controversy and shock tactics" nothing more.People should remember him as a musical genius, legendary performer, king of pop,rock and soul and dance, but afterall the mess going on right now "an average video artist" is even too much to expect... People will remember him as a: "Freak Homosexual Pedophile"
[This message was edited Tue Jun 1 9:45:14 2004 by LightOfArt] If MJ had never made any others but "Thiller", "Billy Jean" "Beat It" and "Remember the Time" he would be hands down ahead of Madonna when it came to videos. The first 3 especially set the standard for what a good video is. After that, every new Michael Jackson video was an event. Michael is the godfather of the music video if u ask me. Even the two from "Off the Wall" (Rock With You & Don't Stop..) are cool even if it's just in an early 80's cheesy way. And don't forget "Can You Feel It" with his brothers. Man I can't even believe people are trying to debate this. [This message was edited Tue Jun 1 10:23:57 2004 by intha916] Bringing Together Five Decades of R&B/Funk/Soul/Dance
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Light Of Art:
People should remember him as a musical genius, legendary performer, king of pop,rock and soul and dance, but afterall the mess going on right now "an average video artist" is even too much to expect... People will remember him as a: "Freak Homosexual Pedophile Sorry but aren't u a fan? What a fcking attitude is that? Whatever is going on in his life right now, even joe the average agrees that he is a musical legend. Whatever the outcome in this case and whatever his career will be in the future, people won't forget the artist and phenomenon that Michael Jackson once was. Besides, since when is MTV Icon based only on music videos? Did Metallica or Aerosmith do any groundbraking videos? No. They did good music, that's all. | |
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Seesaw said: Light Of Art:
People should remember him as a musical genius, legendary performer, king of pop,rock and soul and dance, but afterall the mess going on right now "an average video artist" is even too much to expect... People will remember him as a: "Freak Homosexual Pedophile Sorry but aren't u a fan? What a fcking attitude is that? Whatever is going on in his life right now, even joe the average agrees that he is a musical legend. Whatever the outcome in this case and whatever his career will be in the future, people won't forget the artist and phenomenon that Michael Jackson once was. Besides, since when is MTV Icon based only on music videos? Did Metallica or Aerosmith do any groundbraking videos? No. They did good music, that's all. Yes Im a fan and yes I that think he is "musical genius, legendary performer, king of pop,rock and soul and dance"....But look at peoples reaction toward him even on the .org...Maybe Im just pessimistic 
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adoreme said:[quote] DavidEye said: Of course my opinion is completely objective....Oh, but of course 
MJ set the blueprint for what a music video should be. He was the king of MTV at MTV's prime. For that MJ is the ultimate MTV icon. | |
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WildStyle said: DavidEye said: I'm know I'm biased...lol...but I think Maddy is the greatest video artist of all time.Michael did three excellent videos ("Billie Jean","Beat It" and of course "Thriller"),but Madonna has been more consistent,when it comes to making outstanding videos. Dang, people just can't look past Thriller. Pisses me off man Michael Jackson has done many many good videos besides the legendary "Thriller" videos, the dangerous album had some of the greatest videos in music history. I remember waiting just to watch the nnext MJ video every time the had a premiere. I think "In The Closet" was the best of those videos. However Madonna is the better video artist. She has been extremely consistent and equally impressive through most of her career | |
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WildStyle said:[quote] adoreme said: DavidEye said: Of course my opinion is completely objective....Oh, but of course
MJ set the blueprint for what a music video should be. He was the king of MTV at MTV's prime. For that MJ is the ultimate MTV icon. Agreed. Micheal made music videos into mini movies. The majority of them before Micheal were the band in front of some cheesy background. MTV should be thanking him everyday. SPREAD LOVE UNTIL THE SUN'S FINAL RISE--The Duality a.k.a. "WYNTER SKYE" | |
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13inchshoe said: because janet is a goddess!
 Right..You call aerosmith a joke choice,but love janet jackstrap. Go buy Rocks by aerosmith,and put down the tori anus.Maybe you'll learn something dumbass.[/quote] aerosmith is a joke now. you list rocks, but that was back in the fucking seventies. tori still does good music, aerosmith doesnt. im not a fan of janet, but id rather hear her stuff than the shit that aerosmith puts out today. just push play? id rather push eject and throw it out of a moving vehicle In my own way, I am the king. Hail to the king, baby!!  | |
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Sorry, but Madonna is second 2 none when it comes 2 being a Music Video Icon.
MJ might have pioneered the big budget video, he did little with the medium after Thriller. How many troop dancing/ Michael chasing girl down the street videos have there been? Madonna's videos have a lot more artistic merit & depth, they're usually full of references 2 painters, photographers, movies etc... . With that post modern approach 2 her videos she has created some of the most iconic & culturally resonant moments in pop history. I just don't c that in MJ videos. ...Your coochie gonna swell up and fall apart... | |
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Ashtheking said: 13inchshoe said: because janet is a goddess!
Right..You call aerosmith a joke choice,but love janet jackstrap. Go buy Rocks by aerosmith,and put down the tori anus.Maybe you'll learn something dumbass. aerosmith is a joke now. you list rocks, but that was back in the fucking seventies. tori still does good music, aerosmith doesnt. im not a fan of janet, but id rather hear her stuff than the shit that aerosmith puts out today. just push play? id rather push eject and throw it out of a moving vehicle[/quote] Right.I love watching a pig sucking on Tori's tit.I couldn't listen to cornflake girl(WTF?) after that album.Who cares when the music came out.Honkin on bobo is new aerosmith,and it's a return to there rootsRocks is sheer rock perfection.Let's see what Tori's putting out after 30 years in the biz.And those lame girls that weep like little bitches,when they see Tori stradling here piano nightly  (the snl sketch years ago was dead on  Tori's a big aerosmith fan herself,so whatever,sucks your nipple? | |
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Madonnas videos aint got a soul... | |
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Martinelli said: Sorry, but Madonna is second 2 none when it comes 2 being a Music Video Icon.
MJ might have pioneered the big budget video, he did little with the medium after Thriller. How many troop dancing/ Michael chasing girl down the street videos have there been? Madonna's videos have a lot more artistic merit & depth, they're usually full of references 2 painters, photographers, movies etc... . With that post modern approach 2 her videos she has created some of the most iconic & culturally resonant moments in pop history. I just don't c that in MJ videos.  
Like I said before,I really,really love the three videos that MJ did for the 'Thriller' album.They were totally new,fresh and groundbreaking.But let's be honest,most of the videos that came later weren't really that outstanding or innovative.In many cases, some of MJ videos are bad carbon copies of previous videos.For example,the "Bad" video is basically just "Beat It Part Two",only it's not nearly as interesting...."You Rock My World" is basically just a remake of the "Smooth Criminal" video.....and of course,"Ghosts" is basically just a bigger-budget version of the "Thriller" video.It's good,though,I admit. [This message was edited Thu Jun 3 2:57:05 2004 by DavidEye] | |
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Madonna has good "music videos" Michael has amazing "mini-movies"...You can follow a story watching mikes videos like a short film..
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LightOfArt said: Madonnas videos aint got a soul...
What??? What kind of MJ loving drugs are you on??? Madonnas videos carry MESSAGES, they are cramed with artistic imagery that relates the video to the song, thus enhancing the interpretation of the song. They are pop videos for GROWN ups. Michael Jackson videos appeal to kiddies and nothing else. Get an army of dancer, dress up as either e freak or a faux gangster, and trundle through the same tired old dance moves. it is video making of the most uninspired calibre. it is going through the motions of making a video. i agree the thing michael did was turn the concept of music videos into the telling of a story, but that was in 1984. Since then i can think of a few MJ videos that are worthy of honourable mention. Madonna has made crappy videos also, but on the whole her videos are of an outstanding quality. yes she takes ideas from the world of art, phtography, cinema and fashion, but that is the point. She uses NEW ideas, to give a new visual interpretation of each song. Every video looks different, a different style, a different character, a different story. With MJ it is all recycled just with a bigger budget each time. For the record MJ videos i liked: Beat It Billie jean Smooth Criminal Scream They Dont Care About Us Stranger In Moscow | |
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LightOfArt said: Madonnas videos aint got a soul...
What??? What kind of MJ loving drugs are you on??? Madonnas videos carry MESSAGES, they are cramed with artistic imagery that relates the video to the song, thus enhancing the interpretation of the song. They are pop videos for GROWN ups. Michael Jackson videos appeal to kiddies and nothing else. Get an army of dancer, dress up as either e freak or a faux gangster, and trundle through the same tired old dance moves. it is video making of the most uninspired calibre. it is going through the motions of making a video. i agree the thing michael did was turn the concept of music videos into the telling of a story, but that was in 1984. Since then i can think of a few MJ videos that are worthy of honourable mention. Madonna has made crappy videos also, but on the whole her videos are of an outstanding quality. yes she takes ideas from the world of art, phtography, cinema and fashion, but that is the point. She uses NEW ideas, to give a new visual interpretation of each song. Every video looks different, a different style, a different character, a different story. With MJ it is all recycled just with a bigger budget each time. For the record MJ videos i liked: Beat It Billie jean Smooth Criminal Scream They Dont Care About Us Stranger In Moscow | |
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CrozzaUK said: LightOfArt said: Madonnas videos aint got a soul...
What??? What kind of MJ loving drugs are you on??? Madonnas videos carry MESSAGES, they are cramed with artistic imagery that relates the video to the song, thus enhancing the interpretation of the song. They are pop videos for GROWN ups. Michael Jackson videos appeal to kiddies and nothing else. Get an army of dancer, dress up as either e freak or a faux gangster, and trundle through the same tired old dance moves. it is video making of the most uninspired calibre. it is going through the motions of making a video. i agree the thing michael did was turn the concept of music videos into the telling of a story, but that was in 1984. Since then i can think of a few MJ videos that are worthy of honourable mention. Madonna has made crappy videos also, but on the whole her videos are of an outstanding quality. yes she takes ideas from the world of art, phtography, cinema and fashion, but that is the point. She uses NEW ideas, to give a new visual interpretation of each song. Every video looks different, a different style, a different character, a different story. With MJ it is all recycled just with a bigger budget each time. For the record MJ videos i liked: Beat It Billie jean Smooth Criminal Scream They Dont Care About Us Stranger In Moscow If you can say such a thing then theres nothing we can disscuss | |
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And for the record, the videos you have mentioned of mj that u like are not from 1984
Beat it (83) Billie Jean (83) Smooth Criminal (88) Scream (95) They Dont Care About Us (96) Stranger In Moscow (96) Then he did good videos after 84 ...Babe u got nothing to proove Michael Rules the video world...When an MJ video comes out its an INTERNATIONAL EVENT...
Madonna actually copied MJ a little..She did Bed Time Stories which was inspired by Scream And Frozen is copied from Earth Song...Even the style of Frozen the song is very much like Earth Song.. You really dont know wat ure talking about  [This message was edited Thu Jun 3 6:35:34 2004 by LightOfArt] | |
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LightOfArt said: And for the record, the videos you have mentioned of mj that u like are not from 1984
Beat it (83) Billie Jean (83) Smooth Criminal (88) Scream (95) They Dont Care About Us (96) Stranger In Moscow (96) Then he did good videos after 84 ...Babe u got nothing to proove Michael Rules the video world...When an MJ video comes out its an INTERNATIONAL EVENT...
Madonna actually copied MJ a little..She did Bed Time Stories which was inspired by Scream And Frozen is copied from Earth Song...Even the style of Frozen the song is very much like Earth Song.. You really dont know wat ure talking about
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Frozen is nothing like Earth Song. Earth Song was the biggest pile of bosh I have ever had the misfortune to listen to or watch. I loved MJ in the early days but his "Jesus" period really pissed me off. | |
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LightOfArt said: And for the record, the videos you have mentioned of mj that u like are not from 1984
Beat it (83) Billie Jean (83) Smooth Criminal (88) Scream (95) They Dont Care About Us (96) Stranger In Moscow (96) Then he did good videos after 84 ...Babe u got nothing to proove Michael Rules the video world...When an MJ video comes out its an INTERNATIONAL EVENT...
Madonna actually copied MJ a little..She did Bed Time Stories which was inspired by Scream And Frozen is copied from Earth Song...Even the style of Frozen the song is very much like Earth Song.. You really dont know wat ure talking about
[This message was edited Thu Jun 3 6:35:34 2004 by LightOfArt] BTW - Madonn released Bedtime Story in February 1995 around 3 months BEFORE MJ & JJ released Scream. As for Frozen being a copy of the joke that is Earth Song, your on another planet. Frozen is a gorgeous ballad with lyrics personal to Madonna. Lyrically it is a fantastic critique of herself that musically fuses both modern electronica (well circa 1998), and a gorgeous melody. Earth Song is another re-hash of all the other Save the world, heal the world, , we are the world, big choir, Im gonna stand here and pretend Im Jesus type songs that Michale has perfected (Cry anyone????didnt think so, he couldnt even be bothered to appear in that video it was so dull). MJ WAS, i repeat WAS great. I love some of his stuff deeply, particularly his 1977-1983 era, but that is all in the past. Madonna is currently on a tour that is unique to her previous efforts bothe stylistically, but also has a unique set list and choreography. MJ has been dragging the same show on the road for the last 15 odd years. Just like his videos. [This message was edited Thu Jun 3 7:53:06 2004 by CrozzaUK] | |
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LightOfArt said: And for the record, the videos you have mentioned of mj that u like are not from 1984
Beat it (83) Billie Jean (83) Smooth Criminal (88) Scream (95) They Dont Care About Us (96) Stranger In Moscow (96) [This message was edited Thu Jun 3 6:35:34 2004 by LightOfArt] Im fully aware of when these videos were done. I merely stated I like them, it doesnt mean i think they are particularly groundbreaking, artistic or stylistically interesting videos, deserving of an honourable mention. | |
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Oh you must be kidding madonna was a sexy (a little)talented girl who was clever enough to be succesfull....BUT in no way she is as talented as MJ..MJ is one of the most talented artists ever lived...And what madonna did with her videos can NOT be thought of artistic compared to MJ genious work...MTV has chosen Thriller the best video ever made and titled him the king of music video, not me...
Thats what it says on the cover of the TV GUIDE DECEMBER 2000: "We team up with MTV to pick the 100 greatest music videos ever and its official Michael Jackson Rules" Got the point? Good Lets Dance...Hee Hee...Michael is the King Of Pop, madonna is not the queen... However I like some of her songs and I like her performances...If you watch her concerts you will see that she remakes her videos on stage too...A style invented by Mike and first used for Bad Tour
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LightOfArt said: Oh you must be kidding madonna was a sexy (a little)talented girl who was clever enough to be succesfull....BUT in no way she is as talented as MJ..MJ is one of the most talented artists ever lived...And what madonna did with her videos can NOT be thought of artistic compared to MJ genious work...MTV has chosen Thriller the best video ever made and titled him the king of music video, not me...
Thats what it says on the cover of the TV GUIDE DECEMBER 2000: "We team up with MTV to pick the 100 greatest music videos ever and its official Michael Jackson Rules" Got the point? Good Lets Dance...Hee Hee...Michael is the King Of Pop, madonna is not the queen... However I like some of her songs and I like her performances...If you watch her concerts you will see that she remakes her videos on stage too...A style invented by Mike and first used for Bad Tour
[This message was edited Thu Jun 3 8:25:35 2004 by LightOfArt] [This message was edited Thu Jun 3 8:31:18 2004 by LightOfArt] Funny that our girl is riding high at the moment when Mikey is deep in the doldrums of crapdom. I would look through a more up to date TV guide if I were you. | |
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And I must add that without MJ Madonna would be inthose night clubs still dancing to "Everybody"
In 80s everybody was dying to be compared to MJ...Madonna used it well...She was MJs biggest competition....Prince was being compared to MJ too so "Mj and madonna" and "MJ and Prince" was all over the place....But ever noticed Prince and Madonna was NEVER compared coz Michael Jackson was the best and people used his name for their own succes | |
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LightOfArt said: And I must add that without MJ Madonna would be inthose night clubs still dancing to "Everybody"
In 80s everybody was dying to be compared to MJ...Madonna used it well...She was MJs biggest competition....Prince was being compared to MJ too so "Mj and madonna" and "MJ and Prince" was all over the place....But ever noticed Prince and Madonna was NEVER compared coz Michael Jackson was the best and people used his name for their own succes Uh huh.... | |
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LightOfArt said: Oh you must be kidding madonna was a sexy (a little)talented girl who was clever enough to be succesfull....BUT in no way she is as talented as MJ..MJ is one of the most talented artists ever lived...And what madonna did with her videos can NOT be thought of artistic compared to MJ genious work...MTV has chosen Thriller the best video ever made and titled him the king of music video, not me...
Thats what it says on the cover of the TV GUIDE DECEMBER 2000: "We team up with MTV to pick the 100 greatest music videos ever and its official Michael Jackson Rules" Got the point? Good Lets Dance...Hee Hee...Michael is the King Of Pop, madonna is not the queen... However I like some of her songs and I like her performances...If you watch her concerts you will see that she remakes her videos on stage too...A style invented by Mike and first used for Bad Tour
[This message was edited Thu Jun 3 8:25:35 2004 by LightOfArt] [This message was edited Thu Jun 3 8:31:18 2004 by LightOfArt] Well if according to TV GUIDE, that well know bastion of all that is artistic and stylish says that he is, he must be . Lets face it, lets not beat about the bush. MTV have to say hes the king of the pop video because he created the pop video. He was the first black artist to get play on MTV, because he did something different, he made good pop videos. Thats does not mean everything he has done since then has been good. in fact it doesnt mean even 90% of the stuff hes done since has been good.
Im not gonna go any further into why its not good, i guess it just my own adult opinon, but Im someone who believes that pop videos have the potential to be great things. Real works of art. Its not about how much money you throw at the video (who knew by watching it Scream cost six million - it certainly didnt look that way). Its about making a video that makes you think about the content of the song. As MJs songs are kinda lacking in this area, i realise its a probem for him. I personally think that Bjork makes stunning music videos, a million times better than wacko's, but shes never gonne be named in TV guide as a great music video artist is she. Im sure shes not gonna lose any sleep over it. | |
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Oh Jesus, this is making me look like a total Madonna hater which is completely wrong | |
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