CCII said:

Hold up... wait one *^3!@!ing minute...

Did someone just compare Terence Trent D'Arby to Milli Vanilli?!?!?

(breathe.... breathe...) I'm divided on whether you even listen well enough to flame you over that, lol... nahh...I really don't think its worth it. I like Lenny for being true to himself...that's about all I can find about him that compares to TTD/Sananda.. except both can play guitar.. Don't get me started on lyrics...

Just a lost and misguided spirit...

"Baptised" only got a star and a half from AllMusicGuide however they also gave "Circus" only 2 stars (which I thought was amazing) and "Lenny" four.

I think the problem with the album is that he doesn't try anything at all like he did on his last few albums. They are all sound alikes of his slow songs and the lyrics are his weakest ever. They are whinny "I don't want to a be star anymore" lyrics and are not interesting all. The songs say little to nothing at all. "Where Are You Runnin'" is the only song with any energy. I just wish he would have gave us some "Funk". The only good thing about this record is that his next one has to be better (although I wouldn't be surprised if he is no longer on Virgin after this).

durruti said:

So unless you play 40 intruments your lacking in muscianship now? Look up the definition of "musicianship" meaning artistry in performing music Do not confuse your own opinions as facts. It is your opinion that Little Richard and James Brown are just a "sound" lacking in musicianship.... Also name a Sam Cooke album or someone else from that era who isn't just a greatest hits album now either? That proves nothing so because Sam Cooke doesn't have nothing but greatest hits albums out, or doesn't play 40 intruments now he is lacking in musicanship too then huh? So because Prince can duplicate James and Richard's sound and they can't do P's sound makes Prince better huh? And by that logic then any sound Prince can duplicate Beatles, Sly Stone, P-Funk, Jimi ect.... Makes Prince the best artist of all time since none of them have tried to play any of his songs? Or in your opinion can't, So with that logic let me nominate Marilyn Manson as a greater artist than Prince cause I just don't think Prince could do a good cover of "The dope show" or cover Nirvana or Incubus. Wait sorry they don't play 40 intruments.... I guess by that criteria we don't have very much muscianship in the world huh? Like I said apples and oranges....

I find it quite pathetic that u all can sit here and bag Lenny Kravitz for releasing a dud album. Sure i have to say its not my faveourite Lenny Kravitz album, and i believe Lenny is capable of alot better, but in all fairness, all artists have dud albums, and absolute gems. How many albums has Prince released that have made us wonder what he is thinking???? Lenny will get his funk back, and when he does, u all better be ready to dance to his groove.

After all, Prince has spent the last 10 years in virtual celebrity wilderness then suddenly out of the blue along comes Musicology, and everyone is raving him up again. "Every Dog Has Its Day!!!!"

Sinister said:

Sound to me... means what you like to hear. Some people may like the sound of a saxaphone solo better than a guitar. Some people may find the sound of a choir more appealing than a tribal chant. We could sit here and debate this till we are blue in the face. Musicanship to me is chords, melody, the ability to play well. Technical as well as emotional. I don't listen to Marylin Manson, Icubus, or Nirvana really...so I don't really give a rats ass about that part of your argument. The truth is that Prince's body of work is alot more impressive than James Brown and Little Ricahard..maybe even combined. I hear limitations in there music whenever I listen to it. Little Richard really didn't do ballads and his music has the tendicy to sound the same. It's the same problem I have with James. I have yet to hear Limitations in Princes' music( Except maybe reggae) He continues to push his artistry ( Releasing an album a year does that to you.) He is not afraid to fail, and he has. That is an artist to me. You mentioned the Beatles...which is a perfect comparrason to me, not because he copied them..but because he like them was always unsatisfied. I hear complacency in Little Richards music, and James Brown. Content to be what they are. Legends.

Sinister said:

Sound to me... means what you like to hear. Some people may like the sound of a saxaphone solo better than a guitar. Some people may find the sound of a choir more appealing than a tribal chant. We could sit here and debate this till we are blue in the face. Musicanship to me is chords, melody, the ability to play well. Technical as well as emotional. I don't listen to Marylin Manson, Icubus, or Nirvana really...so I don't really give a rats ass about that part of your argument. The truth is that Prince's body of work is alot more impressive than James Brown and Little Ricahard..maybe even combined. I hear limitations in there music whenever I listen to it. Little Richard really didn't do ballads and his music has the tendicy to sound the same. It's the same problem I have with James. I have yet to hear Limitations in Princes' music( Except maybe reggae) He continues to push his artistry ( Releasing an album a year does that to you.) He is not afraid to fail, and he has. That is an artist to me. You mentioned the Beatles...which is a perfect comparrason to me, not because he copied them..but because he like them was always unsatisfied. I hear complacency in Little Richards music, and James Brown. Content to be what they are. Legends.

JumpUpOnThe1 said:

Well said

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durruti said:

Great debate by the way I wanted to make sure your not like some that come here and just talk trash with no knowlege to back it up I respect that you know your stuff. I agree with your statements I just disagree with how you view musicanship.

Sinister said:

Cool. You know your stuff too. it's semantics...but It's good that we are able to listen to them all. We've lost to many so quickly. Like Marvin, Sam, Jimi... We still got some legends..and it makes me happy!

DFUNK said:

The problem with Lenny is that he released two dogs in a row, after his a breakthrough album like "5" not to mention "Again", which I think is a great and was a big hit. You can't be be ticked off at us considering just how bad this album is when it had such a promsing title track. That said, I've only listened to it once so I might give it another chance.

Baptism is a pathetic excuse for a rock album. All his riffs seem either stolen or too retro to take seriously. He wants to be Hendrix or Prince, but just can't muster it. He doesn't have the musical courage those artists had.

VinnyM27 said:

Sadly, this probably won't be the case. Lenny obviously has the right people guiding his carrer, cause I've already heard "Where Are We Runnin'" as background music on ESPN & NESN (two sports networks)...very similar to the way "Fly Away" was ingrained into our brains by the Nissan Exterra commercial a few years back. I worked at a RecordTown when "5" was released and that album was stalling until the commercial starting being played and "Fly Away" took off. And remember, there wasn't another hit (meaning actual hit, not just a song with an accompanying video) off the original release of "5"...just "American Woman" with Heather Graham in the video, on the rerelease of "5". Just goes to show ya...it's not what you do...it's who you know

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Hootchietoad said:

Yeah, Lenny's songs tend to get used in commericals a lot. I think that "5" actually yeilded a hit in America with "I Belong To You". I'm not sure how it did on the charts but I heard it pretty often over here on the Top 40 station. I think even if "Runnin'" gets some commerical play (so far I haven't heard it on radio but all I've heard on radio while driving around this weekend was the NEW Usher song "Confession, Part 2" (If Clear Channel were a person, he/she should be shot!). Lenny's last album, which had a few promising songs on it, including the "Fall Away" based "Dig In", tanked so I don't think this one will far very well considering it's single isn't being heard on radio at all. It might debut well (might...considering the high profile competition, might not) but there is no way it will hold up.

Lenny Kravitz has always been crap -period. He can't sing and everything just sniffs of mediocrity. I too am not a huge fan of Musicology-but ultimately Prince doesn't really need to prove anything anymore. Lenny kravitz always sells because it is accesssiblr simplified rubbish. I am not slagging people off for buying it coz I think we underestimate how transient music is for most people . They consume it like a pizza. We here probably need a bit more because of other reasons-thats why P can often disappoint because we are probably trying to find Jesus Christ in a guitar lick. Most people don't need that from music and is why the charts are so depressingly bland.

>I don't think this one will far very well considering it's single isn't being heard on radio at all.<

Actually, I heard it twice on Saturday on a pop/rock station here in NC. And the DJ said that people were calling left and right to request the song, saying that it was a perfect summertime hit. I think it just depends on whether you generally listen to pop/rock stations or R&B stations, because this song definitely does not cater to an R&B audience.

lenny is a great live performer and a great gutairist and has great pipes. that being said, he blew his wad on his first two albums and has coasted ever since. are u gonna go my way, has a few good songs, circus was too much a rip off of zepplin and 5 again a few good songs, but nothing like let love rule and mama said which r classicly good begining to end in my opinion. lenny sucked and baptised sucks period. i used to love the guy, he is talented but he just ended up so shallow in his sound. he needs to strip all the bullshit from his life and get back into music, cuz he aint done shit since his first two albums except for some heartfelt songs on 5...

0rlando said:

what about his storming off to the junky, 3rd class dressing room and plopping himself down in a swivel chair, only to stare at himself in the mirror?