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Reply #30 posted 05/20/04 3:02am

DavidEye

durruti said:

Lenny seems to me a jack of all trades, and a master of none. Everytime I hear his music...I get the urge to listen to whomever he is stealing from. Hendrix, Mayfield, Prince, and so on. I remain unimpressed with him



clapping this is exactly how I feel about Lenny.His music isn't the least bit original or interesting.I find his songs to be bland,lifeless and corny.I really can't see why critics keep comparing him to Prince.There is no comparison.
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Reply #31 posted 05/20/04 7:21am

CapedCrusader

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I used to sort of agree with where you're coming from but I realized what irks me is that what Lenny seems to be doing is paying too much homage, and therefore he sounds TOO similar...he doesnt take the sounds any further!

Andre 3000 is a bit more clever

And yes Prince borrows/steals from James and Jimi and Al Green...but at least significat TIME has PASSED...so he can bring the sounds BACK. he isnt emulating anyone that still creates significant music, thereby stealing their thunder

Im not saying what Prince does/did is better, cuz he allows people to forget his influences and seem fresher, but at least it evokes the past, not just...another chart topper...making the comparison alot more evident

Dig?

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Funny how Prince fans respond to Lenny. As Lenny stumbles on another journey that may be similiar to Prince looks and not his music, somehow he has to be biting moves. I haven't heard yet that Musicology sounds like James Brown. It sounds just like James Brown's music. Little Richard was there before Prince. Prince copied all of the above. And all of these musicians are influenced by others before.

I love Lenny's new CD. I only like two tracks from Prince's Musciology and I have only listened to it once since I downloaded it. A Million Days was a first love but that shit played out quick.

Get a grip on kissing ass when Prince puts out shit that can be produced in a basement. Prince has always been my favorite and yes, he's a genius. At least Lenny's music is straight up Rock and Roll.

Peace out absent minded bastards biggrin

durruti said:

Lenny seems to me a jack of all trades, and a master of none. Everytime I hear his music...I get the urge to listen to whomever he is stealing from. Hendrix, Mayfield, Prince, and so on. I remain unimpressed with him

[This message was edited Wed May 19 11:26:03 2004 by CCII]
[This message was edited Wed May 19 11:27:34 2004 by CCII]
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Reply #32 posted 05/20/04 7:21am

steelyd

Did anyone catch Lennys' "Ode to Purple Rain" in his new video???? Check out the end. Lenny is corny....anytime you have to talk about your dick piercing to get attention...your career is in trouble.
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Reply #33 posted 05/20/04 9:23am

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P is by far my favorite, but get real... Lenny Rocks! Hot guitar + funky beat = groovy jam.

I heard once that there are only 4 original songs. Everything else is a variation of them. smile

Did anyone see him on the Today Show this morning? I saw it online at msnbc.com... cool stuff.
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Reply #34 posted 05/20/04 10:48am

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I might be the only one who digs the "5" Lenny. I was hoping he was going to stay on that path but after these last two album that hope is now gone. Other than "Storm" and "Sistamamalover" I won't be playing anything from Baptised.

not true. I like the music of the "5" Lenny and the body of the Baptised Lenny. lol!
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Reply #35 posted 05/20/04 11:17am

SummerRain

This is very funny, apparrently Lenny doesn't think his life style applies or it could be reminices of the life he's leaving behind .... Did you check out the video "where are we running?" NICE, isn't it? Either way, my mouth fell open, and I was left saying, What in the HELL is Lenny THINKING!!!!?



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Reply #36 posted 05/20/04 1:48pm

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I just listened to it and I've very dissapointed. The single is far and away the best song (the only really good one on there). Very misleading considering the album is mostly downtempo. "Funk" had to have been better than this? It had to! I bought the Alanis Moresette album as a fluke but enjoy it more so far.
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Reply #37 posted 05/20/04 2:00pm

durruti

It's all good we can all agree to disagree. Stating ones opinion is not hate, it is just stating one's opinion. One thing though, I don't see how you can compare TTD or Saynmate..or whatever the hell his name is... Terrence trent D'arby to Milli Vinilli?!? TTd is the closest thing to Prince there is..He is a wicked poet and has ecclectic music. Syphony or Damn is a great album. I mean great.
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Reply #38 posted 05/20/04 2:01pm

Sinister

durruti said:

CCII said:

Funny how Prince fans respond to Lenny. As Lenny stumbles on another journey that may be similiar to Prince looks and not his music, somehow he has to be biting moves. I haven't heard yet that Musicology sounds like James Brown. It sounds just like James Brown's music. Little Richard was there before Prince. Prince copied all of the above. And all of these musicians are influenced by others before.

I love Lenny's new CD. I only like two tracks from Prince's Musciology and I have only listened to it once since I downloaded it. A Million Days was a first love but that shit played out quick.

Get a grip on kissing ass when Prince puts out shit that can be produced in a basement. Prince has always been my favorite and yes, he's a genius. At least Lenny's music is straight up Rock and Roll.

Peace out absent minded bastards biggrin


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[This message was edited Wed May 19 11:27:34 2004 by CCII]


First of all..Lenny Kravitz is not on the same planet as Prince. He is nowhere near the composer or performer, that Prince is. Second of all, could Little Richard or James Brown do All My Dreams or Power Fantastic? Could they hold there own musically with Miles Davies or Stevie Wonder? Did They make movies or push the envelope with their own sexual revolution? Prince is a movement...Lenny Kravitz is a blp on an insignificant pop rock chart.


Are you fucking kidding me? confused
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Reply #39 posted 05/20/04 2:06pm

durruti

Sinister said:

durruti said:



First of all..Lenny Kravitz is not on the same planet as Prince. He is nowhere near the composer or performer, that Prince is. Second of all, could Little Richard or James Brown do All My Dreams or Power Fantastic? Could they hold there own musically with Miles Davies or Stevie Wonder? Did They make movies or push the envelope with their own sexual revolution? Prince is a movement...Lenny Kravitz is a blp on an insignificant pop rock chart.


Are you fucking kidding me? confused


No..I'm dead serious.
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Reply #40 posted 05/20/04 2:26pm

Harlepolis

mochalox said:

intha916 said:

I might be the only one who digs the "5" Lenny. I was hoping he was going to stay on that path but after these last two album that hope is now gone. Other than "Storm" and "Sistamamalover" I won't be playing anything from Baptised.

not true. I like the music of the "5" Lenny and the body of the Baptised Lenny. lol!


5 & his GH are the ONLY albums I got from him.
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Reply #41 posted 05/20/04 3:00pm

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All I know is I used to LOVED the shit outta Lenny - albums 2 - 5 are great! But his last album was pure shit. I hope the new one is better but if "Where Are We Running" (?) is any indication I'll have to pass yet again neutral That shit is boring, too simple - he might be so caught up in his own hype that he thinks ANYTHING he does is interesting. Lenny is coasting right now - I don't pay $ to hear a muthafucka coast neutral Unless it's Prince evillol
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Reply #42 posted 05/20/04 3:02pm

Therapy

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actually if u listen to the heart of soul of his album instead of looking for who he is or may be trying to copy, then you would appreciate it more. I love the album, no it isn't like "5" or "mama said" but its different and thats good too. Who in the world would like to listen to the same old shit from one artist over and over again. Some of u really amaze me.


Just what I was thinking today.
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Reply #43 posted 05/20/04 3:03pm

ELBOOGY

durruti said:

Sinister said:



Are you fucking kidding me? confused


No..I'm dead serious.

I agree with durruti except 4 calling Lenny a blip. I think Lenny has been making good music and so has TTD. But P's versatility pretty much settles the score over his contemporaries and idols who ifluenced him. He is definitely 1 of a kind and at the same time he is old school at his core but new school when it comes 2 all around Artist. Prince became a totally new model that is almost impossible 2 recreate. U can't fake what P is.....P is music period! Performing live or doin his studio thang.
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Reply #44 posted 05/20/04 5:33pm

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I've only just seen the new film clip 4 the first time and I liked it....

He reminds more of Andre3000 than anyone else.
The look the way he moves on stage, even when the girls jump on stage to grab him is very much like Outkast's "Hey Ya" clip.

The only similarity to Prince on Lenny's clip is the footstomping on the piano, like in PurpleRain.
-"If U don't like,
what U see here
-get the FUNK out."
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Reply #45 posted 05/20/04 5:38pm

Hootchietoad

durruti said:

It's all good we can all agree to disagree. Stating ones opinion is not hate, it is just stating one's opinion. One thing though, I don't see how you can compare TTD or Saynmate..or whatever the hell his name is... Terrence trent D'arby to Milli Vinilli?!? TTd is the closest thing to Prince there is..He is a wicked poet and has ecclectic music. Syphony or Damn is a great album. I mean great.


Amen, TTD is fantastic, I would take Vibrator, Symphony Or Damn & Wildcard over any Lenny album any day of the week.

Lenny's work, as ranked by me (based on five stars):

Let Love Rule ***
Mama Said *****
Are You Gonna Go My Way ****
Circus ***1/2
5 ***
Lenny 1/2
Baptised *
"Radio Boy Said It Wasn't Rock / Another Said It Wasn't Urban Pop / Man This Bullshit Here Has Got To Stop / I'm Just Trying To Make Some Music" - Stevie Salas, Tell Your Story Walkin' (1995)
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Reply #46 posted 05/20/04 8:32pm

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CCII said:

Funny how Prince fans respond to Lenny. As Lenny stumbles on another journey that may be similiar to Prince looks and not his music, somehow he has to be biting moves. I haven't heard yet that Musicology sounds like James Brown. It sounds just like James Brown's music. Little Richard was there before Prince. Prince copied all of the above. And all of these musicians are influenced by others before.

- I always posted that the song Musicology sounded like a rip-off James Brown. And Prince´s look on Purple Rain (face) was directly borrowed fom Little Richard and the clothes, from Jimi.
But Prince was able to create a more unique sound than Lenny, although Lenny is real talented.
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Reply #47 posted 05/21/04 12:31am

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Amen, TTD is fantastic, I would take Vibrator, Symphony Or Damn & Wildcard over any Lenny album any day of the week.



So true nod. Lenny can never compare to a true artist like Sananda/TTD no no no!. He has some great songs, but he just is not in the same catagory!
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Reply #48 posted 05/21/04 1:41am

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I Don't Want To Be a Star
has any one listened to this song moan moan moan
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Reply #49 posted 05/21/04 3:40am

Hootchietoad

0rlando said:

I've only just seen the new film clip 4 the first time and I liked it....

He reminds more of Andre3000 than anyone else.
The look the way he moves on stage, even when the girls jump on stage to grab him is very much like Outkast's "Hey Ya" clip.

The only similarity to Prince on Lenny's clip is the footstomping on the piano, like in PurpleRain.


Hmmm, that avatar looks familiar...nice to see a fellow Nuno fan in these parts biggrin
"Radio Boy Said It Wasn't Rock / Another Said It Wasn't Urban Pop / Man This Bullshit Here Has Got To Stop / I'm Just Trying To Make Some Music" - Stevie Salas, Tell Your Story Walkin' (1995)
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Reply #50 posted 05/21/04 10:31am

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I have to admit i've liked Lenny ever since his first album "Let Love Rule". I don't think he is trying to be like Prince and he is very talented. However, i never considered him a musical genius like Prince nor as innovative. Prince can do what Lenny does but i can't see Lenny doing 1999, Parade, Crystal Ball or Rainbow Children(too name a few). As for Prince, his music(to me) has never sounded like James Brown or Jimi Hendrix. The only thing he has in common with them is he is black and plays guitar(except for James). Not to be disrepectful to those pioneers, but I feel Prince is more versatile than they are AND he's creative WITHOUT DRUGS(please don't kill me Brown and Hendrix fans). Now TTD is multi talented and very innovative as well. He is is the only one that i would put in the same category as Prince. The thing that make Prince win overall is his showmanship. NO ONE puts on a show like Prince(not even Madonna or the King of Pop himself). Prince is the most exciting performer ever. Lenny is ok but not that fascinating onstage.
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Reply #51 posted 05/21/04 11:54am

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I only saw ´Baptised´ cover today, and it´s impressive how he looks like Prince (Rave years). I like some things of Lenny, I would like to hear this one. Sounds more introspective than the others.
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Reply #52 posted 05/21/04 12:02pm

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TheDeacon said:

As for Prince, his music(to me) has never sounded like James Brown or Jimi Hendrix. The only thing he has in common with them is he is black and plays guitar(except for James). Not to be disrepectful to those pioneers, but I feel Prince is more versatile than they are AND he's creative WITHOUT DRUGS(please don't kill me Brown and Hendrix fans).

- Well, he is from their school, although Prince developed his own style. For example, ´When doves cry´ don´t make me think of James. But he was a lot influenced by him, he never denied it. Songs like ´The Work´, ´Musicology´, ´Pretty Man´ and ´Housequake´ are almost a tribute to him, not to mention the screamings and stage presence. Maybe you are seeing Prince with fan´s eyes. About Jimi, I agree. His music doesn´t remind me of him, but his attitude, his guitar hero attitude on stage reminds. But Prince paid tribute to Jimi on some occasions, like in the end of ´Private Joy´. But I think his phrasing sounds closer to Santana.
About the drug comment...well, I was reading an interview with an avant garde brazilian rocker called Sergio Dias, and he said ´back in the days we made great music with drugs and great music without them´. We will never know how much of the drugs inspired Jimi to write his masterpieces.
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Reply #53 posted 05/21/04 12:04pm

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Well, seems like i'm one of the little amount people who likes this album!
Ever since the release of Let love rule i think he always made good albums. Ofcourse there are some songs which are not THAT good, bey hey, haven't they all?
I think it is just a nice new Lenny album and it is a great thing (for me) that this man constantly produces nice records!
Who cares about the jimi, Beatles or Prince influences.. in the end evryone copies everyone. Maybe that is the reason why I like Lenny, just like i really dig prince and the Beatles!!!

LENNY ROCKS!!! BAPTISM TOO!!!!! biggrin
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Reply #54 posted 05/21/04 1:01pm

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Harlepolis said:

mochalox said:


not true. I like the music of the "5" Lenny and the body of the Baptised Lenny. lol!


5 & his GH are the ONLY albums I got from him.


Those are the only two albums I have as well.

I really liked 5 -- I felt he was finally finding his own voice with that album. It's a pity he did not elect to continue in that sonic direction; the results could have been rather special.
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Reply #55 posted 05/21/04 1:27pm

Sinister

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Are you fucking kidding me? confused


No..I'm dead serious.


Ok first of all Little Richard and James Brown are Legends.... They aren't Prince and Prince has borrowed from both of them but to say they can't hold their own with Miles or Stevie Wonder?!? Homie it's freakin apples and oranges they aren't the same what do you mean can't hold their own? Are you saying James and Richard have no talent compared to Prince, Miles, and Stevie? That is your opinion only.... But to say they couldn't do power fantastic and all my dreams is nonsense why would they? That is not their style and for as much as Prince takes from James Brown to say James can't hold his own is some silly shit. Thats like me saying Prince can't hold his own musically compared with Beethoven and Mozart cause he can't make classical music like Beethoven's symphony No. 5..... And do you know anything about James Brown and Little Richard? Or the influence they had? If not why are you making statements about them not pushing the envelope like Prince? That sounds like some NPGMC fam shit....
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Reply #56 posted 05/21/04 1:37pm

SENSHY

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All I know is I used to LOVED the shit outta Lenny - albums 2 - 5 are great! But his last album was pure shit. I hope the new one is better but if "Where Are We Running" (?) is any indication I'll have to pass yet again neutral That shit is boring, too simple - he might be so caught up in his own hype that he thinks ANYTHING he does is interesting. Lenny is coasting right now - I don't pay $ to hear a muthafucka coast neutral Unless it's Prince evillol


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Oh my, oh my.
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Reply #57 posted 05/21/04 2:56pm

durruti

Sinister said:

durruti said:



No..I'm dead serious.


Ok first of all Little Richard and James Brown are Legends.... They aren't Prince and Prince has borrowed from both of them but to say they can't hold their own with Miles or Stevie Wonder?!? Homie it's freakin apples and oranges they aren't the same what do you mean can't hold their own? Are you saying James and Richard have no talent compared to Prince, Miles, and Stevie? That is your opinion only.... But to say they couldn't do power fantastic and all my dreams is nonsense why would they? That is not their style and for as much as Prince takes from James Brown to say James can't hold his own is some silly shit. Thats like me saying Prince can't hold his own musically compared with Beethoven and Mozart cause he can't make classical music like Beethoven's symphony No. 5..... And do you know anything about James Brown and Little Richard? Or the influence they had? If not why are you making statements about them not pushing the envelope like Prince? That sounds like some NPGMC fam shit....


First of all, no one is saying that Little Richard and The Godfather of soul ain't no damn legends. If you listen to hip-hop you listening to James. If you listen to Rock & Roll, then you hearing Little Richard. Don't confuse sound with musicianship, though. Prince can do what little Richard and James can do. They cannot in a million years do what Prince can. That is the reality. Little Richard can't play 40 instruments..or did I miss that album? I don't think james even plays an instrument!( But damn that brother could dance!) Apples and Oranges? Are we talking about music or not? Is that a nice way of avoiding what a person might like better? Heres a better question for you, name a little richard album that ain't a greatist hit compalation. Don't Google..of the top.
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Reply #58 posted 05/21/04 3:16pm

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Lenny is not as great as Prince. I don't think anyone would say otherwise.
That said, Lenny is a talented musician, about the only quality he shares with Prince.
Lenny rocks, Prince is funky.
Prince has always looked forward (Musicology might pay homage to James Brown, but it uses drum machines & synths, which James never did), Lenny backward.

Lenny captures the warm production of older music, something I think Musicology could have benefitted from greatly.
Lenny is very derivative, but he captures what we love about certain artists, like Hendrix, Zeppelin, or Mayfield. His music feels good, though it is not particularly innovative. But I think the feeling he captures in his music is just as needed today as Prince's skill as a musician.
There's a reason Prince performed with him, and it wasn't to show him up.
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Reply #59 posted 05/21/04 3:18pm

durruti

Sinister said:

durruti said:



No..I'm dead serious.


Ok first of all Little Richard and James Brown are Legends.... They aren't Prince and Prince has borrowed from both of them but to say they can't hold their own with Miles or Stevie Wonder?!? Homie it's freakin apples and oranges they aren't the same what do you mean can't hold their own? Are you saying James and Richard have no talent compared to Prince, Miles, and Stevie? That is your opinion only.... But to say they couldn't do power fantastic and all my dreams is nonsense why would they? That is not their style and for as much as Prince takes from James Brown to say James can't hold his own is some silly shit. Thats like me saying Prince can't hold his own musically compared with Beethoven and Mozart cause he can't make classical music like Beethoven's symphony No. 5..... And do you know anything about James Brown and Little Richard? Or the influence they had? If not why are you making statements about them not pushing the envelope like Prince? That sounds like some NPGMC fam shit....



Ohhh, and I mentioned Stevie and Miles because Prince has played with them..not to really say they are better ( Though to me they really are) While Little Richard fired Jimi Hendrix, because he felt he was taking all his glory...
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