I mean, they're the King Of Pop's children. They're bound to be as popular and as much in the public eye as their father.
that's senseless, living with a mask on their faces in public might make them having severe psychological problems like their (so called ) father, I wonder if in reality all this has anything to do with their skin colour

jn2 said:

On the contrary, I doubt the veils will cause severe psychological Problems it’s only when they're in public , The result might be that, like their father they won't be able to depict between reality and their own "Reality". The mere suggestion of skin color is rubbish. It’s really quite simple Michael is a Victim of a serious case of paranoia, this is nothing new, Currently he's just playing the role of the over protective parent. When the children are in their teens and they're wearing surgical mask and brims then theirs a time to worry...

Luv4oneanotha said:

I think it was a good idea to hide the kids identities, so theyll have a choice in the future...They are gonna have their privacy...I hope it dont backfire coz when u try to hide something people search for it that much more

Let´s hope that won´t be the case.

Maybe, or maybe he has a reason. Who knows what it´s like being in his position. Maybe it´s paranoia, but better being paranoid and protect them (even if too much) than to be ignorant and let something bad to happen. We can´t judge from our position how much of it is paranoia and how much is rightly fear.

But there´s a lot of things that doesn´t make sence to me. Let me know what you think guys
MJ wrote in Moonwalk that he dreams of getting married and having kids. I read few quotes from people close to him (like Quincy etc) who said that he often talked about that. Now my first question is, what was he then waiting for all those years if he really didn´t care who the mother of his children will be as he was trying to convince us in the Bashir documentary? He could have used a surrogate mother years ago.

If he´s so apparently lying about him being he father of those kids, why do we believe him that Blanket´s mother is surrogate and don´t believe him that Prince and Paris are his and Debbie´s? Why wouldn´t he admit that Prince and Paris are not his when he says that Blanket had a surrogate mother?

Why would he use a surrogate mother when Debbie said in Take two that she´d give him more kids anytime. Why would he seek another woman? Why would he want to get some strange woman he doesn´t know to be "involved" in his life when it would be definately safer to have just one. He could risk a custody battle this way. Why would he do that when he knows that Debbie would give him more kids and let him have custody of them?

It just doesn´t make sence to me.
The only thing I can figure out is that:
1. He CARES who is the mother of his kids. I don´t think he´d take a chance with some strange woman where he could rist a custody battle. And that´s also why he had kids so late although he has always wanted them. He was waiting for the right woman.
2. I do believe that they are his kids. OK, call me blind and naive or whatever, but from the few pictures I´ve seen, they resemble her a lot, especially Prince, except those big brown eyes, but those he´d take after Mike, right? (Don´t ask me why he has a blond hair though)
3. He knows the Blanket´s mother damn well. He knows that people would rather believe that it was artificial insemination with a surrogate mother, than that he knows her and had relationship with her, so if he can use that to protect her, why not? First time around he said himself that she doesn´t wanna be in the press. Besides from what Debbie said, she left him because of the publicity, right? I don´t think he´s that stupid to reveal Blanket´s mother identity and loose her too. Maybe he´s married, who knows?

What do you think about all this?

lol its funny how HIStory seems to repeat itself
tabloids at it again... now i admit i did laugh my ass off after reading this
why the hell is this not on every paper? lol
Michael Jackson a SADIST
LOLOLOL
i love british tabloids lol

NEWS OF THE WORLD
EXCLUSIVE: Abused for 'sadistic pleasure'

Jacko filmed as he abused me

By Carole Aye Muang in Los Angeles



A SECOND youngster has accused Michael Jackson of sex abuse, alleging the singer FILMED him as he carried out depraved acts.

Daniel Kapon also claims Jacko, 45, is a sadist who revelled in inflicting pain.

The teenager, now 18, sets out a catalogue of sickening abuse that started from the age of THREE.

And he makes the detailed accusations in a harrowing 28 minute and 50 second video as his case is studied by Los Angeles police.

Daniel said he was never taken to Jacko's bedroom to be abused—but to a chilling bare room without an ounce of comfort.

Camera


He recalled: "I wouldn't be in his bedroom. He'd do the sadistic acts, sometimes taping it, in a darkly lit room. He'd just be getting his kicks.

"The room had bare walls and had two camera lights and a chair which he'd make me sit in.

"There might have been a bed too. It was dark.

"I recall a director-type, an older guy with white hair. He would be holding the video camera and directing, telling Jackson what to do and sometimes they'd collaborate."

Daniel also alleged Jackson:

DRUGGED him in order to carry out depraved acts.

SWITCHED personality the second he was in private, changing from a charming companion to a "demon".

And ABUSED him for a total of six years at the star's two palatial homes, leaving him in turmoil.

The video recording Daniel's claims begins with his chilling words: "I was abused by Michael Jackson."

The singer already faces trial, possibly in September, accused of abusing cancer sufferer Gavin Arvizo when the lad was 12. Jacko, who denies all charges, could be jailed for 74 years on nine charges. Second accuser Daniel was clearly emotional on the video as he claimed he was filmed being forced to take part in "grotesque acts".

He added: "It seemed as if he was deriving pleasure from my pain."

Then he claimed Jackson would "be laughing demonically while this was happening." The youngster, currently in a safe house in Los Angeles, and now represented by highly respected lawyer Gloria Allred, said that there was nothing he could do to fight back.

He added: "I had no control over my body but I was still conscious.

"They drugged me. I was given a goblet of red wine. I suspect it had something in it." And he described the sinister change in Jackson's personality once he was in private. One minute they might be walking through grounds of the star's Neverland Ranch in California.

Once inside and out of sight of others, Jackson would turn off the charm like a tap. Daniel said: "In public, Jackson was charming, but when I was alone with him he was a freak. His whole demeanour changed. You have to have a totally whacked-out demeanour to even consider doing the things he's done to me. He was acting demonic, he was acting crazed. Very sadistic."

At this point, Daniel breaks down and asks to stop filming. When it resumes, his first words are: "He was verbally abusive, cursing, very crazed for power."

Daniel went on to describe Jackson's naked body.

He said: "I remember that his whole body was the same colour, very white, very pale."

The youngster's mother Suzanne says her son was introduced to Jackson by her estranged husband Danny.

Before long, the child became a regular visitor to Jackson's home in Encino and was also treated to a special birthday party at Neverland.

Daniel said he suffered abuse ordeals at both places.

He added: "I can remember things as far back as when I was three. I have a photographic memory.

"I vaguely remember first meeting Jackson—but the things that stick out in my mind are the sexual acts that occurred with him.

Intimate


"And I remember walking with Jackson on the trail at Neverland and holding his hand and talking to him. Just chit chat.

"Most of what I remember at around the age of 12 and 13 is just being alone with him and that other guy and all the sexual acts."

Mum Suzanne, who did not have custody of Daniel, said she had noticed bite marks on intimate parts of his body.

Asked if he has any pleasant memories of the star, Daniel spits: "Pleasant memories with Jackson? Only outside Neverland riding the rides."

Suzanne said she discovered her son knew Jacko shortly before his fourth birthday—when one of the star's songs came on the car radio.

She said: "My son was very agitated and started kicking my radio so that the knob came off. He told me, ‘I don't like that'.

"I said, ‘What? It's Michael Jackson'. He said, ‘I don't like him'. I said, ‘You're talking like you know him'. He said, ‘I do' and started crying. I just flipped out."

LA District Attorney Tom Sneddon has quizzed Daniel and passed a file to cops.

Yeah one doesn´t know whether to cry or laugh reading it. How the hell can they print something like that when it´s not true! Someone should put them in jail for this.....

dag said:

i don't know
its kind of sad what our society has resorted too.
All i know is Michael Jackson is a force to be reckoned with
he will sue slander!
its like when victor guiterez claimed he had a videotape of mj witha minor engaging in sexual actions
Mj sued slander
vguiterez didn't show the tape in court to protect the family
judge took away his journalism licence and forced him to pay mj 25 million in damages
and whoever's behind this better be careful...

wait, so you think that there might be some truth to this article and that Mj is powerful enough to get away with it. I don´t know. I don´t think that by not showing the tape, the journalist would protect the family. It doesn´t make sence to me. If Mj is so devilish as they describe him than they should feel protected by making sure that he ends up in jail at any cost. I wouldn´t feel protected if I knew I had some solid evidence against him and didn´t use it and let him be free and do the same crimes to others. I mean how can he say that. nobody´s asking him to air the tape on TV, but to show it to court. MJ had also had a nude pictures of him and those pictures were never published in any way. He had to suffer and humiliate himself too in order to fight for himself.

dag said:

if you think so..

jn2 said:

i just see the same eyes thats really about it

That picture makes me uncomfortable ~l~

I've enjoyed MJ's work, especially growing up, but I've been uneasy the last few years. I just feel like something bad is coming his way, worse that it already is now. I don't know, like Prince says "It Ain't Over!"

everybodys got couple of bad poses.right?

had t share this cool pic Amy Lee of Evanescence

This is the worst picture of MJ ever!!!!

Exactly.

dag said:

no wonder why MJ is in this shitty situation

Michael looked terrible from 2000-2002. He looks better now (excluding the mug shot).

The mere suggestion of skin color is rubbish.
doesn't he pretend to be the biological father of the children?

Maybe it´s paranoia, but better being paranoid and protect them (even if too much) than to be ignorant and let something bad to happen. We can´t judge from our position how much of it is paranoia and how much is rightly fear.

it ( masks) doesn't protect them from anything
1- he has basically bought his children 2- he raises them in a sort of shell
it's almost criminal imo

Mariah Carey´s father is black as well and she´s no more black than MJ´s kids are. Boris Becker´s child has a black mother and is also white (with a red hair)

I love the way people are judging things they know nothing about. Have you ever spend a day with them to know what kind of life they have?

The masks are not supposed to "protect" them, but to hide their faces, so people don´t know them and that´s what they also do...

dag said:[quote]
Mariah Carey´s father is black as well and she´s no more black than MJ´s kids are. Boris Becker´s child has a black mother and is also white (with a red hair)
[quote]


Yes, but last year, Debbie Trailertrash admitted that he isn't their father.

Mariah Carey´s father is black as well and she´s no more black than MJ´s kids are. False
I love the way people are judging things they know nothing about.
because you know what you're talking about? I wonder what vision of reality will they have growing in a sort of fiction paradise

dag said:

But it can't be good for any kids no need to be psychologist to guess this, think 5 seconds about the children's care and stop kissing MJ's ass all the time it's just absurd and ridiculous

Shapeshifter said:[quote]dag said:[quote]
Mariah Carey´s father is black as well and she´s no more black than MJ´s kids are. Boris Becker´s child has a black mother and is also white (with a red hair)


my father is white and my mother is black and im no blacker than mj in bad cover.

No, but I am not judging their lifes.



I don´t think that any celebrity children have some sence for reality. Look at the Osbournes, Hilton sisters, Lisa Marie Presley.....


From what I´ve seen in that document, they didn´t looked stressed out.....

Shapeshifter said:[quote]dag said:[quote]
Mariah Carey´s father is black as well and she´s no more black than MJ´s kids are. Boris Becker´s child has a black mother and is also white (with a red hair)


Not true. It was reported this year that she said that. She later came out and said she never said such a thing.

Everybody who has seen Mike with his kids has said he is an excellent father. Even former friends who turned on him and dissed him in the media still say he is an excellent father. Bashir said he was an excellent father for god's sake

Shapeshifter said:

the worst imo is that she admits not to give a f**** about the kids, what kind of mother is that? ( => the kind of woman that MJ needed)

Please tell me in what interview she said that, cause I kinda missed that and would LOVE TO SEE IT!

dag said:

It was around the time that the whole custody of the kids issue was in the news. It was reported all over the place that Debbie said the kids weren't MJ's. When she came out and said that she never said that, it was barely reported. That's standard procedure in MJ world.

jn2 said:

kids dont wear masks in neverland...and when they grow up and when they are at the age of going at by theirselves they wont war the masks and they will be free unlike their dad. nobody will recognize them..theyll love mike for this i think..

and tell me whats more "absurd and ridiculous" than prejudice? Its now about sucking mjs ass or anything like that. I just dont judge people because they are not like me! so im not sucking anybodys ass k
[This message was edited Tue Jun 1 3:01:45 2004 by LightOfArt]

Better that than to pretend that you care about your kids and give fuck about them in reality. I´ve met a lot of people like that.
I´ve worked for few families in US and England as a nanny and I could tell you unbelievable stories. I took care of 3 year old triplets and spent a year with that family. ALthough the kids lived with their mum in the same house, she would be hiding in her bedroom seeing them once a week. In the other family, the parents were working day and night and at the weekends when they had some time to be together, they were "so close" that they had nothing to talk about.