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Reply #60 posted 05/16/04 10:01am

Luv4oneanotha

VoicesCarry said:

LightOfArt said:



Voices whats it u got against MJ really? Your Madonna herself got MJs manager back in time coz she said MJs best u know that wink And then again its Madonna who sold herself as the female version of MJ to the world...though she was never THAT talented...Prince did the same a little bit too but well erm...thats ok wink


So, uh, who's your dealer? That must be some sweet rock you're smoking.

Next up: "Lionel Richie marketed himself as the adult-contemporary MJ!" rolleyes

/questions the point of this thread again
[This message was edited Sun May 16 9:33:04 2004 by VoicesCarry]

gotta admit it stopped the MJ traffic
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Reply #61 posted 05/16/04 10:40am

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VoicesCarry said:

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Voices whats it u got against MJ really? Your Madonna herself got MJs manager back in time coz she said MJs best u know that wink And then again its Madonna who sold herself as the female version of MJ to the world...though she was never THAT talented...Prince did the same a little bit too but well erm...thats ok wink


So, uh, who's your dealer? That must be some sweet rock you're smoking.

Next up: "Lionel Richie marketed himself as the adult-contemporary MJ!" rolleyes

/questions the point of this thread again
[This message was edited Sun May 16 9:33:04 2004 by VoicesCarry]


i heard that on a VH1 programme about Madonna. Early on she even grabbed MJ's managers at the time (Weisner & Demann).

Isn't 'Like a Virgin' just a rip off of 'Billie Jean's' bassline, Isn't 'Material Girl's beat just The Jacksons 'Can You Feel It' speeded up? wink
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Reply #62 posted 05/16/04 10:52am

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And then again its Madonna who sold herself as the female version of MJ to the world...
Madonna didn't buy her kids and doesn't hide their face as if they were some kind of monsters

Your Madonna herself got MJs manager back in time coz she said MJs best u know that
Madonna has said others things about her meeting with MJ too

Isn't 'Like a Virgin' just a rip off of 'Billie Jean's' bassline, Isn't 'Material Girl's beat just The Jacksons 'Can You Feel It' speeded up?
I don't think that it will impress the jury
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Reply #63 posted 05/16/04 11:23am

VoicesCarry

Marrk said:

VoicesCarry said:



So, uh, who's your dealer? That must be some sweet rock you're smoking.

Next up: "Lionel Richie marketed himself as the adult-contemporary MJ!" rolleyes

/questions the point of this thread again
[This message was edited Sun May 16 9:33:04 2004 by VoicesCarry]


i heard that on a VH1 programme about Madonna. Early on she even grabbed MJ's managers at the time (Weisner & Demann).

Isn't 'Like a Virgin' just a rip off of 'Billie Jean's' bassline, Isn't 'Material Girl's beat just The Jacksons 'Can You Feel It' speeded up? wink


In a word, no. And Madonna didn't write LAV or Material Girl.

I found the comment about Prince selling himself as MJ much, much more asinine, however.
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Reply #64 posted 05/16/04 12:33pm

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And then again its Madonna who sold herself as the female version of MJ to the world...
Madonna didn't buy her kids and dont hide their face as if they were some kind of monsters
Your Madonna herself got MJs manager back in time coz she said MJs best u know that
Madonna has said others things about her meeting with MJ too
Isn't 'Like a Virgin' just a rip off of 'Billie Jean's' bassline, Isn't 'Material Girl's beat just The Jacksons 'Can You Feel It' speeded up?
I don't think that it will impress the jury
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What the hell R u talking about? eek
Somebody explain it in ENGLISH!
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Reply #65 posted 05/16/04 8:42pm

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Any Jermaine Jackson fans on this board? LOL.. I actually own the Dynamite/self titled album, Precious moments (a very good album) and the underated - You Said album. Holla back! I'm interested in who else may have purchased any of Jermaine's album. Peace!
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Reply #66 posted 05/17/04 4:10am

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Just take the thread down. All it is is a permanent opportunity for haters to get there little insults in.

I don't know about any other MJ fans here but I have nly ever started 1 MJ thread. Luv4oneanotha seems to start the most. Just tell them to cut it out.
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Reply #67 posted 05/17/04 6:27am

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OK, guys, could we PLEASE KEEP THIS ONE POSITIVE!!!! You know I am so sick and tired of having to defend MJ all the time and of all those MJ haters who visit every MJ related topic just to tell us how much they hate him. Why do people do it anyway. I don´t spend my time visiting boards or replying to topics about artist I am not interested in just to let everyone know how much I hate that person. I mean it´s pathetic. Why can´t people who don´t like him simply ignore those topics just as they can ignore others. I mean look at other topics in this forum. They all don´t get the same respons as Mj topics do. I think the most natural thing for a person to do is ingore things that we are not interested in and if some haters come in here just to tell us how much they hate him and what he has done wrong saying they are not interested in him anyway are either blinding themselves or are stupid. Everyone who has clicked on this topic IS interested in MJ, some people only don´t know about it. If you look at how many responses Mj topics are getting, i think there are enough people interested. That´s why an MJ topic deserves a sticky status, I think
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #68 posted 05/17/04 6:50am

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i think the fact that so many of the same people who come here and diss michael must secretly like him or are fascinated with him
thats the only reasons i can see why they keep coming back
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Reply #69 posted 05/17/04 10:58am

VoicesCarry

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i think the fact that so many of the same people who come here and diss michael must secretly like him or are fascinated with him
thats the only reasons i can see why they keep coming back


Oh sure, in the same way we're morbidly fascinated by a sixty-car pileup.
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Reply #70 posted 05/17/04 11:44am

jn2

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i think the fact that so many of the same people who come here and diss michael must secretly like him or are fascinated with him
thats the only reasons i can see why they keep coming back
"fascinated" is the right word
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Reply #71 posted 05/18/04 1:21am

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yeah, it´s true. I know so many people who will tell you that they don´t like him etc, but they know all the latest rumours about him etc. I know people who will tell you that they don´t like none of his songs except the last one and they´ll tell you this everytime Mj releases a new song. I was shocked how many people watched that Bashir program. hardly anyone of them calls themselves fan but they all watched it.
Let me tell you a story with my granddad. He keeps telling me that what Mj does is no music etc. all this bullshit and once I played him Earth song on head phones without telling him who it was (he didn´t recognize him by voice) and at the end he said. "that was BEAUTIFUL who was it?" When he found out it was MJ, all of sudden the song was not beautiful but OK.
Personally I´ve never met anyone who could say that they don´t like NONE of MJ´s songs. Everybody likes some, but it is so hard for some of them to accept that it´s MJ! They simply can´t get over him, which is a shame. They´re missing out a lot.
Plus I also don´t understand why only MJ´s weirdness is so not exceptable. There are a lot of weird people whose weirdness is not as talked about and people aren´t as fascinated by them. Look for example at Marilyn Manson. How many articles are there on him in tabloids. I haven´t read any in ages.
And also, have you seen a movie called Amadeus about Mozart. He was a COMPLETE freak, but when his name is mentioned, people only think of musical genius, not a greak. I don´t understand why the same rule couldn´t apply to MJ! All genius are weird in some way, that´s what makes them geniueses. I don´t expect a genius to be normal. That´s also what makes them so special and so different. If they were like the rest of us, they wouldn´ t be geniuses.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #72 posted 05/18/04 4:08am

VoicesCarry

dag said:

yeah, it´s true. I know so many people who will tell you that they don´t like him etc, but they know all the latest rumours about him etc. I know people who will tell you that they don´t like none of his songs except the last one and they´ll tell you this everytime Mj releases a new song. I was shocked how many people watched that Bashir program. hardly anyone of them calls themselves fan but they all watched it.
Let me tell you a story with my granddad. He keeps telling me that what Mj does is no music etc. all this bullshit and once I played him Earth song on head phones without telling him who it was (he didn´t recognize him by voice) and at the end he said. "that was BEAUTIFUL who was it?" When he found out it was MJ, all of sudden the song was not beautiful but OK.
Personally I´ve never met anyone who could say that they don´t like NONE of MJ´s songs. Everybody likes some, but it is so hard for some of them to accept that it´s MJ! They simply can´t get over him, which is a shame. They´re missing out a lot.
Plus I also don´t understand why only MJ´s weirdness is so not exceptable. There are a lot of weird people whose weirdness is not as talked about and people aren´t as fascinated by them. Look for example at Marilyn Manson. How many articles are there on him in tabloids. I haven´t read any in ages.
And also, have you seen a movie called Amadeus about Mozart. He was a COMPLETE freak, but when his name is mentioned, people only think of musical genius, not a greak. I don´t understand why the same rule couldn´t apply to MJ! All genius are weird in some way, that´s what makes them geniueses. I don´t expect a genius to be normal. That´s also what makes them so special and so different. If they were like the rest of us, they wouldn´ t be geniuses.


Regardless, Marilyn Manson is still having his albums debut at #1.

And Mozart? You gotta be fucking kidding me. Dude had a mental illness and was treated poorly by society (de rigeur for mental cases in his times). In its historical context, we are able to excuse his rather eccentric behaviour (none of which was dangerous to others), especially with our "enlightened" perspectives on mental illness. He was not a freak, he was ill.

BUT these men were not accused of molesting little boys or compulsively sleeping with them, which probably has something to do with why MJ's "weirdness" is not really acceptable. That is the crux of why Michael Jackson will never be socially acceptable to many people. Manson and Mozart also did not attempt to turn themselves into Diana Ross. When Marilyn Manson takes the makeup off, his old face returns - it is a stage persona, much like Bowie's. With Michael it's the real thing - and that probably freaks quite a few people out.

And no matter how much you may protest, Mozart had more genius in one of his atoms than Michael will ever have.
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Reply #73 posted 05/18/04 4:56am

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Sorry, but MJ has sold nearly 300 million records throughout his life, something other artist can only DREAM about!

Secondly what made Mozart a greater genius than MJ I really don´t know. To tell you the truth I am not a musician and I can´t tell the "quality of music" But my dad is! When my granddad was trying to tell me what you are saying I got home and I asked him what he thought professionally of MJ´s work he told me, quote: : MJ is no better than Mozart and Mozart is no better than MJ! Mozart was the world´s TOP artist in classical music. MJ is world´s TOP pop artist.

And I am repeating this for the last time. NOONE HAS PROVED MJ GUILTY YET!!! NOONE!!! PERIOD!!!!! And for your information hee´s in the guiness book of world records for giving the most money to charity!!!!! THE MOST!!! That says a LOT about his true character.

And stop attacking him for his plustic surgery. I don´t care if it´s make-up or plastic surgery that u use to look "different". There´s NO difference.
BTW look at this. I still see the same face. Considering how many looks he´s had between those years I found him looking incredibly the same.


plus don´t forget that he´s got VITILIGO and he uses make-up. wanna see the magic of make-up?

the half of the picture is black lady and the other white. and just look at Madonna how many "looks" she´s had over the years
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #74 posted 05/18/04 5:02am

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Here´s the other picture that I was reffering to (hope it will work this time.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #75 posted 05/18/04 5:05am

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sorry it doesn´t work, but if you wanna see the picture it´s easy, just type Kevin Aucoin Face Forward on yahoo or anywhere else and it´ll give you a link to this book with a picture of its cover.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #76 posted 05/18/04 5:10am

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Daq, stop embarrasing yourself.
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Reply #77 posted 05/18/04 5:11am

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Dag, love - I really feel for you because you can see how passionate you are about MJ but you're really not going to convince anyone by constantly reeling off his "good points" and asserting time and time again that "he doesn't really look any different". He does, I'm afraid.

The simple fact is that MJ is in serious shit. These allegations are more disturbing than any kind of shenanigan that Marilyn Mansen or Prince has got up to. They involve children and they possibly involve the sexual abuse of children. Nobody is saying that MJ was not a fantastic artist and he's had an incredibly exciting career. What we're saying is that these accusations are very worrying. Yes, he has not been found guilty yet but the very fact that he is in a court of law answering these charges says something about their severity.

I will freely admit that I loved MJ's music. I will also freely admit that I am fascinated by what is happening to him now and I watched the Bashir documentary. This does not mean that I in any way support or admire him right now. Maybe it's my own morbid fascination but watching a mighty pop icon fall like this is both heartbreaking and compelling. You can't help but be interested and have an opinion.
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Reply #78 posted 05/18/04 5:12am

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sorry, hopefully last correction. Kevyn Aucoin - Face Forward
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #79 posted 05/18/04 5:32am

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Daq, stop embarrasing yourself.


you know it´s interesting how hate and bashing are acceptable to people without looking embarrasing and this hate for MJ is not recent, it´s been here before the allegations, now with these allegations people only finally found a reason and a great excuse for their hate and making MJ the greatest freak on earth.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #80 posted 05/18/04 5:49am

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dag said:

Daq, stop embarrasing yourself.


you know it´s interesting how hate and bashing are acceptable to people without looking embarrasing and this hate for MJ is not recent, it´s been here before the allegations, now with these allegations people only finally found a reason and a great excuse for their hate and making MJ the greatest freak on earth.


Not everyone was looking for an excuse or a reason for some kind of irrational hatred of the man.

The reason people react this way is because of the nature of the allegations. It's shock and disgust that you are seeing, not hatred.

And remember that MJ has been the biggest player in making himself into what he has become.
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Reply #81 posted 05/18/04 6:31am

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I don´t think that MJ nowadays is worse than before. I see him as a same person. I don´t think his BEHAVIOR has changed over the years.

I think it is all from people living their own boring stereotypical lives and seeing someone like Mj coming down brings excitment to their lives, that´s all there is to it. There are lots of other disgusting things going on in the world that people don´t worry about.

And it is also interesting how you can just see the passion that I have for him. Well I am passionate about him, but in a good way. But noone sees that negative passion in responces where all MJ´s faults and mistakes are listed. And that is what I am complaining about. The negativity is just so common in this world that it is considered to be normal. Just look at the news. How many positive things can you find there? I think that there are a lot of beautiful things happening everyday, why aren´t these in the news. What kind of newspapers is the most succesful? Tabloids. What can you find in there?
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #82 posted 05/18/04 6:36am

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dag said:

I don´t think that MJ nowadays is worse than before. I see him as a same person. I don´t think his BEHAVIOR has changed over the years.

I think it is all from people living their own boring stereotypical lives and seeing someone like Mj coming down brings excitment to their lives, that´s all there is to it. There are lots of other disgusting things going on in the world that people don´t worry about.

And it is also interesting how you can just see the passion that I have for him. Well I am passionate about him, but in a good way. But noone sees that negative passion in responces where all MJ´s faults and mistakes are listed. And that is what I am complaining about. The negativity is just so common in this world that it is considered to be normal. Just look at the news. How many positive things can you find there? I think that there are a lot of beautiful things happening everyday, why aren´t these in the news. What kind of newspapers is the most succesful? Tabloids. What can you find in there?


But you're not listening to what these people are saying. The negative comments are there because of the nature of the crime Michael has been accused of.
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Reply #83 posted 05/18/04 9:46am

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But you're not listening to what these people are saying. The negative comments are there because of the nature of the crime Michael has been accused of.


Maybe I am not listening, you might be right. But I am also not willing to judge him this way when nothing has been proven yet and when there are signs of him being innocent. I mean honestly, the only thing playing against Mj is his weirdness, but to me much more important thing than his weirdness is a fact that those people don´t seem to even know what they want to accuse him of, they are changing it how they like. If they have such a strong case with such a strong evidence, than why do they change charges and timeline? Is it not something to think about for all those people who believe he´s guilty. If this case went on "normally" I´d be more suspisous of his innocence.

And just because those charges are so serious, people should think twice before labeling someone who might be innocent a pedophile.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #84 posted 05/18/04 10:45am

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Sorry, but MJ has sold nearly 300 million records throughout his life, something other artist can only DREAM about!

Secondly what made Mozart a greater genius than MJ I really don´t know. To tell you the truth I am not a musician and I can´t tell the "quality of music" But my dad is! When my granddad was trying to tell me what you are saying I got home and I asked him what he thought professionally of MJ´s work he told me, quote: : MJ is no better than Mozart and Mozart is no better than MJ! Mozart was the world´s TOP artist in classical music. MJ is world´s TOP pop artist.

And I am repeating this for the last time. NOONE HAS PROVED MJ GUILTY YET!!! NOONE!!! PERIOD!!!!! And for your information hee´s in the guiness book of world records for giving the most money to charity!!!!! THE MOST!!! That says a LOT about his true character.

And stop attacking him for his plustic surgery. I don´t care if it´s make-up or plastic surgery that u use to look "different". There´s NO difference.
BTW look at this. I still see the same face. Considering how many looks he´s had between those years I found him looking incredibly the same.
[/img]http://www.chooseyourdestiny.com/images/FACEBW.jpg[img]

plus don´t forget that he´s got VITILIGO and he uses make-up. wanna see the magic of make-up?
[/img]http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0316286443.01._PE30_PIdp-schmoo2,TopRight,7,-26_SCMZZZZZ_.jpg[img]
the half of the picture is black lady and the other white. and just look at Madonna how many "looks" she´s had over the years


1. You really believe no other artists have sold 300 million records worldwide? Get some statistics.

2. Despite what your infinitely sage musician grandfather may believe, Mozart and the other geniuses of classical music laid the foundation for modern music. MJ's music is just a shitstain on the floor compared to their achievements. You are insane if you believe that anyone working in modern pop music even comes CLOSE to the kind of command of music Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms, Czerny, Vivaldi, Bach et all. had.

3. Still trotting out that Guinness statistic? John Wayne Gacy was a clown at children's parties and a well-loved member of his community - we gonna claim he couldn't possibly have been guilty because of his humanitarian endeavours? Don't think so.

4. You still see the same face? Guess some of his fans are as deluded as the man himself.

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Reply #85 posted 05/18/04 10:49am

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U.S. District Court judge upholds suit against DA, county
By Mark Abramson -- Staff Writer

5/10/04 A U.S. District Court judge in Los Angeles has upheld most of a $10 million lawsuit filed by Solvang attorney Gary Dunlap against District Attorney Tom Sneddon and Santa Barbara County.

Judge Dickran Tevrizian dismissed Dunlap's claims that district attorney officials could be sued for allegations of racketeering and that those officials trespassed and performed an unlawful search and seizure of Dunlap's property.

The judge ruled that allowing the trespass complaint would invalidate a marijuana conviction against Dunlap. He was charged after the drug was found during a search of his property. Dunlap's attorneys predicted the conviction will be overturned.

The lawsuit, seeking punitive, compensatory and special damages, stems from Dunlap's acquittal last June on six charges, including perjury, witness intimidation, filing false documents and preparing false documents. The charges were filed in connection to a criminal case in which Dunlap was the defense attorney.

Dunlap's attorneys said he was the victim of a setup by the District Attorney's Office and that prosecutors acted illegally, are guilty of misconduct, and violated attorney client privilege by secretly taping Dunlap's discussions with his client.

"What they did was they attacked a successful criminal defense attorney for practicing his profession," said Joe Freeman, one of Dunlap's attorneys.

Both sides viewed Tevrizian's ruling as a victory.

"We are very happy with it, and we think it was fair," said Freeman.

"The next step is for the defendants. Now they have a choice. They could either answer the complaint or they could attempt to appeal the 16-page well-reasoned opinion. They would be very unlikely to prevail," Freeman said.

Attorneys from the Santa Barbara County Counsel Office, which would likely represent county employees in any lawsuit, said they were not surprised by the ruling. County Counsel Attorney Jake Stoddard said he expects to quash the lawsuit.

"I expect a substantial portion of the case will go away," Stoddard said. "We got what we wanted out of it."

Stoddard contends that the prosecutors are immune against the charges and they did nothing illegal. He said he will submit a summary judgment motion to argue his case in writing.

Dunlap described the ordeal as an emotional nightmare that has tarnished his practice and reputation.

"You have no idea what it is like to be a criminal defendant for six weeks of a trial," Dunlap said. "I'm not vindicated. There will always be people who will harbor doubt about my innocence, and I'm devastated by it. I don't think my reputation has been restored."

The plaintiff's complaint also named as defendants Assistant District Attorney Christie Schultz-Stanley; Deputy District Attorneys Kevin Duffy, Jerry McBeth, Gerald Franklin, John T. McKinnon, Josh Webb; and District Attorney Investigators Mary Brizzolara and Tim Rooney.

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Reply #86 posted 05/18/04 12:44pm

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riverdean7 said:

i think the fact that so many of the same people who come here and diss michael must secretly like him or are fascinated with him
thats the only reasons i can see why they keep coming back

I come to the MJ threads because I'm more fascinated by his fanatic fans that post here than Michael himself. It makes for some good laughs reading everyones devoted posts about him.
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Reply #87 posted 05/18/04 3:01pm

Luv4oneanotha

leas the thread is being used
i've got nothing to say lol
but Minne is right this thread is down right hilarious lol
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Reply #88 posted 05/19/04 12:17am

ML88

Michael Jackson is sooooo cool. He's a really sweet guy, just give him a chance will y'all?

By the way, if it wasn't for Mike I wouldn't like Prince. Long story.
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Reply #89 posted 05/19/04 5:17am

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ML88 said:

Michael Jackson is sooooo cool. He's a really sweet guy, just give him a chance will y'all?

By the way, if it wasn't for Mike I wouldn't like Prince. Long story.


Now that is a fabulous argument. If he's a really sweet guy then I take back everything I've said on this thread and others..... rolleyes
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