After the Hype has died down now for both groups, which debut was the best in your opinion? Guns N Roses' Appetite or Nirvana's Nevermind? Which album was more consistent with the least filler?

I'd go with Appetite, it's got less filler than Nevermind, and it's a tight well structured album. It's also much more fun with true "rock n roll"songs. I also thought the guitar work of Slash for Guns N Roses was truly incredible, there are some awesome guitar solos in Appetite...

Also anybody care to elaborate on the rivalry between Axl Rose and Kurt Cobain?

Appetite For Destruction, by far...it's one of my all-time favorite CD's.
No filler at all...as a matter of fact, I think that Sweet Child O' Mine,
the single that took off, is one of the weaker songs on the CD, not
saying it's a weak song, though.

Appetite for Destruction , hands down

Appitite for destruction

I hope people would get over Nevermind at last.

Nirvana the most influential rock band of the 90s? What did they give us then? Nickelback? Offspring? Puddle Of Mudd?

None are better than the other, both are classics and are strong right through.

Grunge made the guitar solo sound dated, so i suppose it had the bigger influence.

appetite for destruction. it was the epitome of its genre.

A X L was a rock god. Cobain was a rock junkie...appetite for destruction was amazing...more timeless than Nevermind.

Personally, I prefer Nevermind, but can I say neither and go with Ten by Pearl Jam?
[This message was edited Mon Apr 19 19:11:11 2004 by theVelvetRoper]

Apples and oranges. Axl is an asshole and Kurt was a tortured soul.

http://www.1hopefield.fre.../kint4.htm

Equally misunderstood, to Cobain, is Nirvana itself-particularly the fact that the band appeals to many of the same hard rock fans who pack Guns N' Roses concerts. But while Axl Rose san derisively of "immigrants and faggots" in his song "One in a Million," Cobain closed his song "Stay Away" by howling "God is gay!" and Nirvana defiantly cavorted in dresses in the video of their hit single "In Bloom." Last year Nirvana traveled to Oregon to perform at a benefit opposing Measure 9, a statewide ordinance that would have amended the state constitution to prohibit protections for gays and lesbians. And when they appeard on Saturday Night Live, Cobain and Novoselic made a point of kissing on-camera.

In person, Cobain is the antithesis of a preening guitar cocksman: He's small, pale, soft-spoken, and articulate. Prejudice infuriates him: he spits out the words "homophobe" and "sexist" with the same venom he reserves for the word "spandex." Particularly upsetting to him was an incident last year in Reno, when two men raped a woman while chanting a Nirvana song. On the liner notes for Incesticide, he vented his frustration in a blunt statement to Nirvana fans: "If any of you in any way hate homosexuals, people of different color, or women, please do this one favor for us-leave us the fuck alone! Don't come to our shows and don't buy our records."

Didn't Axl Rose say something nasty to you at the MTV Video Music Awards in September?

They actually tried to beat us up. Courtney and I were with the baby in the eating area backstage, and Axl walked by. So Courtney yelled, "Axl! Axl, come over here!" We just wanted to say hi to him--we think he's a joke, but we just wanted to say something to him. So I said, "Will you be the godfather of our child?" I don't know what had happened before that to piss him off, but he took his aggressions out on us and began screaming bloody murder.

These were his words: "You shut your bitch up, or I'm taking you down to the pavement." [laughs] Everyone around us just burst out into tears of laughter. She wasn't even saying anything mean, you know? So I turned to Courtney and said, "Shut up, bitch!" And everyone laughed and he left. So I guess I did what he wanted me to do--be a man. [laughs]

-Does he remind you of guys you went to high school with?

Absolutely. Really confused, fucked-up guys. There's not much hope for them.

-When he was singing about "immigrants and faggots," people were excusing it buy saying, "Well, he's from Indiana-"

Oh, well, that's OK then. [Laughs] Insane. Later, after we played our show and were walking back to our trailer, the Guns N' Roses entourage came walking toward us. They have at least 50 bodyguards apiece: huge, gigantic, brain-dead oafs ready to kill for Axl at all times. [Laughs] They didn't see me, but they surrounded Chris, and Duff [McKagan of Guns N' Roses] wanted to beat Chris up, and the bodyguards started pushing Chris around. He finally escaped, but throughout the rest of the evening, there was a big threat of either Guns N' Roses themselves or their goons beating us up. We had to hide out.

Since then, every time Axl has played a show he's said some comment about me and Courtney. When he was in Seattle, he said "Nirvana would rather stay home and shoot drugs with their bitch wives than tour with us." [Laughs] That's why there's this big feud in most of the high schools. It's hilarious. He is insane, though. I was scared. I couldn't possibly beat him up; I know he would beat me up if he had the chance.

-How do you feel about Guns N' Roses fans coming to see you?

Well, when we played that No on 9 benefit in Portland, I said something about Guns N' Roses. Nothing nasty-I think I said, "And now, for our next song, 'Sweet Child o' Mine.'" But some kid jumped onstage and said, "Hey, man, Guns N' Roses plays awesome music, and Nirvana plays awesome music. Let's just get along and work things out, man!"

And I just couldn't help but say, "No, kid, you're really wrong. Those people are total sexist jerks, and the reason we're playing this show is to fight homophobia in a real small way. The guy is a fucking sexist and a racist and a homophobe, and you can't be on his side and be on our side. I"m sorry that I have to divide this up like this, but it's something you can't ignore. And besides they can't write good music." [Laughs]

Kurt is full of himself anyways, he claims that all of Guns N Roses' songs are crap and that they have no talent. Bullsh*t, Appetitie for Destruction rocks the casbah. Long after getting bored of the songs on Nevermind, I'm still listening to AFD.

Guns also were way more versatile than Nirvana, check out epic ballads like November Rain or stuff like Estranged and Coma.

One thing I have to agree with is that Nirvana's punk riffs really did make those hard rock guitar riffs sound kinda dated...

If AXL was a racist why the hell was he friends with SLash who is half black?

Kurt just dissed everybody who was competition for Nirvana, the guy was a mainstream whore even though he claimed not to be.

He insulted Eddie Vedder and Pearl Jam by saying their music sucks and then dissed Axl even though Axl was a Nirvana fan, he wore a Nirvana cap in his "Dont Cry" video!

screw cobain, Axl is a legend. If he wasn't so psychotic, GnR would be as well respected as Nirvana, but Axl screwed it all up.

I played both albums over and over when I got them. I never saw a need to ask which is better. They are different and I really can't choose. Both Kurt and Axl are/were self-destructive, just in different ways. Sure, GNR was able to progress and be versatile. Nirvana would have done the same. Right before Kurt died he said he want to progress past grunge.

I don't think Axl was racist, but he was definitely a homophobe. He said in interviews that he just didn't understand homosexuality. That's his business. I enjoyed the music and his voice. But now I'm just bored with his antics.

I don't know what exactly happened between them. The supposed fight at the mtv awards, etc. I didn't realize he wore a Nirvana hat in the Dont Cry video. Maybe they had a love-hate relationship. I think it's silly to put them against each other. That's their business.

VinaBlue said:

No it's only after Kurt dissed Axl in various interviews and called all their music crap, then snubbed Axl's offer to tour with them, that Axl got pissed.

Axl was a friend of Elton John btw, he even played with him at Wembley Stadium I believe. He was also friends with Freddy Mercury another homosexual.

I still can't explain his reasoning for that "one in a million" song.

But Kurt is clearly full of himself. Nevermind was far from a perfect record, there is some awful crap on that record.

GN'R were overlooked because Grunge was newer than street style hard rock.

But that aside, Axl is a much better leadman than Kurt

Back in the day I was the hugest GnR fan. I played Appetite non stop for 2 years straight and even thought Use Your Illusion I and II were almost as good.

I liked Nevermind when it came out but I never considered it near as good as Appetite. However, over the years Nevermind was an album I kept reaching for more and more (same with In Utero and Unplugged) and right now I have to say I think Nevermind is the better album. It has stayed relevant to me and has not aged one bit, where as Appetite has become a fun nostolgic, once-in-awhile listen. Now it could be that I just played Appetite to death back in the late 80s but I played Purple Rain and SOTT just as much and I STILL listen to both albums a hell of a lot and they both still mean a lot to me. I never thought I'd ever say this but I have to say Nevermind is the better album.

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same post twice edit.
[This message was edited Mon Apr 19 21:17:34 2004 by mrdespues]

NEVERMIND FOREVER.

Appetite is hair-metal trash.

Bleargh.

Have a look at some real melodies and good songwriting, Axl fans.

Kurt and Co. were the best band of the Nineties.

nevermind definately. but i'll toss in nevermind if i can have nine inch nails pretty hate machine.

GnR is hair metal? They are way too good to be lumped in with that poison/motley crue trash.

If you don't think Axl is a good song writer, read the lyrics to Estranged and Coma, Use Your Illusion, may be more bloated compared to In Utero, but it has far more good songs.

You don't think November Rain, Don't Cry, Sweet Child o Mine have real melodies?

GnR contrary to popular belief is not some red neck rock band.

Ouch.. I love Guns n' roses, but i also dig Nirvana.. actually i used to listen to more gnr more than Nirvana, but not its the other way around.. I dont know about the albums, i love both of them, and i think nevermind is a good one.. but i guess i'd have to go with appe tite for destruction.. or?

Appetite for destruction.. no doubt.

mrdespues said:

No, that would be Radiohead.

Cloudbuster said:

I always thought it was The Presidents of the United States of America.

theVelvetRoper said:

theVelvetRoper said:

movin to the country gonna eat alot of peaches..."

Oh, Nevermind for sure.

Although this is coming from a guy who preferred Def L's Hysteria to Appetite for Destruction at the time.

Pfffff. APPETITE BY A COUNTRY FUCKING MILE

Cloudbuster said:

Personally, I think these are two very good albums by very talented bands. I'm not sure why they are beign compared, since the two really don't have much in common (maybe its just because of the fued between them?).

If I had to pick one, I'd go with "Nevermind", for Cobain's brilliant lyrics alone (lets face it, we don't listen to G&R for great lyrical insights). Both have some fantastic playing on them, but Butch Vig's production is fantastic. Slash's playing is superior, but Nirvana was more about sheer emotion in the music that technical skill. Axl was, by far, a better frontman.

Oh, to h-e-double-hockey-sticks with this! They're both great bands, and they both had great albums. They sound NOTHING alike, so why compare?

G&R will be remembered as a rockin' band that came along when crap bands like "Poison" were destroying music. "Appetite" reminded folks what rock was really about!

Nirvana will be remembered as a brilliant band who ushered in a new era for rock.

Too bad both bands had great frontmen who couldn't handle fame (Kurt committed suicide, Axl became a recluse who has spent over a decade working on the same friggin' album!!)

appetite for destruction vs nevermind.....no disrespect 2 nirvana but, i gotta go with guns n roses 'cause u got slash on lead axe so what more could u ask 4?