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PrintableVoicesCarry said: JANFAN4L said: Yeah, but recently Common recorded a song on his latest album denouncing his past homophobic sentiments. Check this out... Common "Between Me, You & Liberation" From the album Electric Circus He spoke with his eyes, tear-filled A lump in his throat, his fear built My whole life it was in steel This ain't the way that men feel A feeling, he said he wish he could kill A feeling, not even time could heal This is how real life's supposed to be? For it to happen to someone close to me? So far we'd come, for him to tell me As he did, insecurity held me I felt like he failed me To the spirit, yelled help me I'd known him for like what seemed forever About going pro we dreamed together Never knew it would turn out like this For so long he tried to fight this Now there was no way for him to ignore it His parents found out and hated him for it How could I judge him? Had to accept him if I truly loved him No longer he said had he hated himself Through sexuality he liberated himself Fuck, I wish more rappers wrote lyrics like that. Actually, a lot of emcees talk about WAY MORE things than urban radio, older generations of music listeners, ClearChannel, and Viacom-owned networks give them credit for. Check out this song right here... Non Prophets "That Ain't Right" From the album Hope While emcees were burning ism I earned degrees in journalism Learning the system and about how freedom of speech is worth killing for But watch what you say in all those interviews! You're in limbo? WELL WE'RE IN LIMBO TOO! Contact the dead to get advice from Anne Landers Transmit personal problems like head lice in bandanas The big man on campus has delusions of grandure Doing a thesis on ebonics, unconsciously using poor grammar Your mannerisms are suitable to cancer victims How much opposition does it take for your stance or position To dance to this rhythm? (you're jignorant, baby!) Dance to this rhythm. (Go ahead, baby!) Ah, forget it. It's actually accepted for rappers to have no ethics Their albums would benefit if they put in half the effort I attended candle light vigils for Matthew Sheppard While you put out another "fuck you, faggot" record That Ain't Right I blame my hate mail on typographical errors Correct the mispellings and then send out thank you notes for the love letters Accept rejection when I get a return to sender Reject acceptance when the girl's got an agenda I've entered this Brave New World of true cowards Talkin' 'bout, "No one goes to shows no more. They're too crowded." So they stay home and burn shit Then they say, "I downloaded your life off the net. Totally worth it." It's 2003. Time to stop acting like assholes It ain't about backpackers or cash flow Fashionable afros, salon style dreds or frat clothes And it ain't about these fuckin' loud mouths shoutin, "BATTLE!" African medalions didn't sell platinum albums That's part of the reason why you think hiphop died It was here before you were. It'll be here in the future Life's not a bitch, she's just sick of being personified That Ain't Right This household is filled with the half-deads They've got a mouthfull of pills because they're crack heads They shout that I'm ill, but they're doubtful of skill With the type of stabbing that turns my back red I don't blast lead, I write until my pen explodes All over fashion dreds and your Echo clothes I don't listen when they say, "Shit ain't ever gonna change," and they say I ain't got no sooooouuuuul.. . [This message was edited Sat Mar 13 16:05:16 2004 by JANFAN4L] | |
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I find all this quite tickling because both 50 Cent and Eminem are closely associated with Dr. Dre.....I won't say anymore.   I am convinced Beyonce's career would not be where it is, if she had dark skin. | |
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Why do some people (particularly men) feel SO threatened by gay people? What the fuck is their problem?    I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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although i don't care 4 50 cent's
style or most of what comes out of his mouth, i will say this: black men have been emasculated and degraded in america from slavery through jim crow to the present, the black man has been feared and oppressed and out numbered as the head of his own household he must reclaim his role as king i think men like 50 cents are struggling 2 understand what it means 2 be a man without a good male role model many boys grow up 2 become menaces 2 society or confused about their cultural and or sexual identity | |
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JANFAN4L said: Novabreaker said: Actually, even Common has voiced very negative views on homosexuality in interviews.
Yeah, but recently Common recorded a song on his latest album denouncing his past homophobic sentiments. Check this out... (snip) Oh, thanks for the update! | |
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CalhounSq said: Why do some people (particularly men) feel SO threatened by gay people? What the fuck is their problem?
Roles in society, CS. As you know, homosexuality is not viewed in the most positive light in the black community. Cats like 50 build a career on pretending to be a stereotype. They have to play the whole role or no role at all. Well, they don't HAVE to - they THINK they do. Men in genereal are told from day one "Don't act like a little bitch or you'll get your ass kicked" by fathers, older brothers, friends, etc. Women always claim they want a "real man" who isn't weak, soft, etc. So THAT formulates the fundamental thoughts that men should not be feminine and should reject feminie ways, behavior, etc. Here's the clencher - MOST MEN VIEW HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR AS FEMININE. Actually this isn't true. There are feminine gays and masculine "homo-thug" gays, but there is a TON of pressure to avoid any and all knowledge of gays and gay behaviour in general. 50 is just spewing what he THINKS he needs to in order to appear as "strong" and detached from gay life as he can. It shows his ignorance instead. I know a lot of brothas who have no tolerance of gay men at all. I've even had my sexuality questioned because I do. My simple stance is LIVE AND LET LIVE. It personally DON'T CARE. It doesn't affect me. I think this should have been 50's response as should be every non-gay person's response. America's problem is that we try to be in everybody's business. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: CalhounSq said: Why do some people (particularly men) feel SO threatened by gay people? What the fuck is their problem?
[color=blue:4b68eb8cb2]Roles in society, CS. As you know, homosexuality is not viewed in the most positive light in the black community. Cats like 50 build a career on pretending to be a stereotype. They have to play the whole role or no role at all. Well, they don't HAVE to - they THINK they do. Men in genereal are told from day one "Don't act like a little bitch or you'll get your ass kicked" by fathers, older brothers, friends, etc. Women always claim they want a "real man" who isn't weak, soft, etc. So THAT formulates the fundamental thoughts that men should not be feminine and should reject feminie ways, behavior, etc. Here's the clencher - MOST MEN VIEW HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR AS FEMININE. Actually this isn't true. There are feminine gays and masculine "homo-thug" gays, but there is a TON of pressure to avoid any and all knowledge of gays and gay behaviour in general. 50 is just spewing what he THINKS he needs to in order to appear as "strong" and detached from gay life as he can. It shows his ignorance instead. I know a lot of brothas who have no tolerance of gay men at all. I've even had my sexuality questioned because I do. My simple stance is LIVE AND LET LIVE. It personally DON'T CARE. It doesn't affect me. I think this should have been 50's response as should be every non-gay person's response. America's problem is that we try to be in everybody's business. [/color]  | |
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BlaqueKnight said: CalhounSq said: Why do some people (particularly men) feel SO threatened by gay people? What the fuck is their problem?
[color=blue:4b68eb8cb2]Roles in society, CS. As you know, homosexuality is not viewed in the most positive light in the black community. Cats like 50 build a career on pretending to be a stereotype. They have to play the whole role or no role at all. Well, they don't HAVE to - they THINK they do. Men in genereal are told from day one "Don't act like a little bitch or you'll get your ass kicked" by fathers, older brothers, friends, etc. Women always claim they want a "real man" who isn't weak, soft, etc. So THAT formulates the fundamental thoughts that men should not be feminine and should reject feminie ways, behavior, etc. Here's the clencher - MOST MEN VIEW HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR AS FEMININE. Actually this isn't true. There are feminine gays and masculine "homo-thug" gays, but there is a TON of pressure to avoid any and all knowledge of gays and gay behaviour in general. 50 is just spewing what he THINKS he needs to in order to appear as "strong" and detached from gay life as he can. It shows his ignorance instead. I know a lot of brothas who have no tolerance of gay men at all. I've even had my sexuality questioned because I do. My simple stance is LIVE AND LET LIVE. It personally DON'T CARE. It doesn't affect me. I think this should have been 50's response as should be every non-gay person's response. America's problem is that we try to be in everybody's business. [/color] Interesting. And I agree. What's sad is I think it's largely the mentality of being a caricature of "super hard" masculinity that has landed so many brothers disenfranchised, in jail or six feet under. I'm not a feminine man, but I'm gay as an easter basket... and I take care of myself, my kid, my family and I'm involved in my community... all legally. 50, on the other hand, represents the type of brother who in one breath claims to abhor the hustle game, yet still pimps the sick aesthetic of the lifestyle -- goes out and shoots people, gets shot 9 times, sings the praises of womanizing and prances around draped in over-priced (ugly) clothing and platinum that I BET was mined by exploited third-world laborers that look just like his idiot ass. Somehow I think his version of "manhood" is more destructive to the world -- let alone the black community --than my own. Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.” | |
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Lammastide said: BlaqueKnight said: [color=blue:4b68eb8cb2]Roles in society, CS. As you know, homosexuality is not viewed in the most positive light in the black community. Cats like 50 build a career on pretending to be a stereotype. They have to play the whole role or no role at all. Well, they don't HAVE to - they THINK they do. Men in genereal are told from day one "Don't act like a little bitch or you'll get your ass kicked" by fathers, older brothers, friends, etc. Women always claim they want a "real man" who isn't weak, soft, etc. So THAT formulates the fundamental thoughts that men should not be feminine and should reject feminie ways, behavior, etc. Here's the clencher - MOST MEN VIEW HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR AS FEMININE. Actually this isn't true. There are feminine gays and masculine "homo-thug" gays, but there is a TON of pressure to avoid any and all knowledge of gays and gay behaviour in general. 50 is just spewing what he THINKS he needs to in order to appear as "strong" and detached from gay life as he can. It shows his ignorance instead. I know a lot of brothas who have no tolerance of gay men at all. I've even had my sexuality questioned because I do. My simple stance is LIVE AND LET LIVE. It personally DON'T CARE. It doesn't affect me. I think this should have been 50's response as should be every non-gay person's response. America's problem is that we try to be in everybody's business. [/color] Interesting. And I agree. What's sad is I think it's largely the mentality of being a caricature of "super hard" masculinity that has landed so many brothers disenfranchised, in jail or six feet under. I'm not a feminine man, but I'm gay as an easter basket... and I take care of myself, my kid, my family and I'm involved in my community... all legally. 50, on the other hand, represents the type of brother who in one breath claims to abhor the hustle game, yet still pimps the sick aesthetic of the lifestyle -- goes out and shoots people, gets shot 9 times, sings the praises of womanizing and prances around draped in over-priced (ugly) clothing and platinum that I BET was mined by exploited third-world laborers that look just like his idiot ass. Somehow I think his version of "manhood" is more destructive to the world -- let alone the black community --than my own. There are some brilliant people on the Org. | |
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Lammastide said: BlaqueKnight said: [color=blue:4b68eb8cb2]Roles in society, CS. As you know, homosexuality is not viewed in the most positive light in the black community. Cats like 50 build a career on pretending to be a stereotype. They have to play the whole role or no role at all. Well, they don't HAVE to - they THINK they do. Men in genereal are told from day one "Don't act like a little bitch or you'll get your ass kicked" by fathers, older brothers, friends, etc. Women always claim they want a "real man" who isn't weak, soft, etc. So THAT formulates the fundamental thoughts that men should not be feminine and should reject feminie ways, behavior, etc. Here's the clencher - MOST MEN VIEW HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR AS FEMININE. Actually this isn't true. There are feminine gays and masculine "homo-thug" gays, but there is a TON of pressure to avoid any and all knowledge of gays and gay behaviour in general. 50 is just spewing what he THINKS he needs to in order to appear as "strong" and detached from gay life as he can. It shows his ignorance instead. I know a lot of brothas who have no tolerance of gay men at all. I've even had my sexuality questioned because I do. My simple stance is LIVE AND LET LIVE. It personally DON'T CARE. It doesn't affect me. I think this should have been 50's response as should be every non-gay person's response. America's problem is that we try to be in everybody's business. [/color] Interesting. And I agree. What's sad is I think it's largely the mentality of being a caricature of "super hard" masculinity that has landed so many brothers disenfranchised, in jail or six feet under. I'm not a feminine man, but I'm gay as an easter basket... and I take care of myself, my kid, my family and I'm involved in my community... all legally. 50, on the other hand, represents the type of brother who in one breath claims to abhor the hustle game, yet still pimps the sick aesthetic of the lifestyle -- goes out and shoots people, gets shot 9 times, sings the praises of womanizing and prances around draped in over-priced (ugly) clothing and platinum that I BET was mined by exploited third-world laborers that look just like his idiot ass. Somehow I think his version of "manhood" is more destructive to the world -- let alone the black community --than my own. You know, he's shaped like a woman too. Maybe he has some unresolved issues with that | |
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None of us should really care what 50 Cent thinks anyway.After all,this is a guy who makes his 6-year old son wear a bullet-proof vest,brings him up onstage and smiles as the young kid asks the crowd "What the fuck is up?!"
 as you can see,50 Cent is one classy dude  [This message was edited Wed Mar 17 4:03:50 2004 by DavidEye] | |
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ofcourse, fiddy cent & eminem just have to show us all how truly edumacated they really are. both of them are posers & punks that don't deserve fame. true, we are entitled to our own opinion but..... some of us should learn to close our mouths so as not to show the world just how STOOPID & ignorant we really are. hey, i thought gay men were starting to become popular what with the tv shows "will & grace" or "queer as folk" being all the rage. can anyone comment on that? | |
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ok, honesty seems to work better for you guys than a lie. so whose to say that this is honesty when you've just admitted yourself that hip-hop is a very homophobic genre of music? perhaps if he were in another genre of music, he could've either avoided the topic altogether or just as easily supported gay rights without fear of losing fans. contrary to belief, there are many supporters of gay rights in the music industry from many genres. can anyone say madonna or tori amos? also, cobain supported gay rights. there are many more which would fill up the page rather quick here without doubt but i think you get the idea, right? Sly said: Rhondab said: I'd rather have him be honest than...as he said...change up simply because he's famous.
That's like how I appreciate the honesty of someone in the KKK vs someone who doesn't have the balls to say how they feel. He's an idiot but I will probably still knod my head when I hear in da club. I agree that i'd rather him be honest about his feelings, however retarded they are. I don't think its taken balls to say it though. Hip Hop is a very homophobic genre of music. He would get lambasted by the community if he supported gay rights, and i'm quite sure he'd lose fans. This isn't specific just to Hip Hop though, the same would happen in rock&roll. Anyway, who gives a fuck about someone like him. Anyone that's willing to glorify the pimping of his own women aint worth shit. Same goes for his souless fans. | |
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they don't have poles. at best, they both have half inch worms.  JediMaster said: Poor Fiddy. He and Eminem are so obviously in love! They both have to hide their feeling behind homophobic remarks. If they would just come out and admit that they both wanna smoke each other's poles they'd be so much happier! | |
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very true man. teach a whole community that ignorance is indeed blissful. tis better to give than receive....fiddy cent is a joke that has long lost it's flavor. or maybe never really had a true flavor to begin with?? SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: OdysseyMiles said: I love how after all that nonsense, they end with him building a "community center for children". Hilarious!!
 A million Build a community center and then teach children to be as stupid as you. 
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exactly, fify cent is ugly as homemade sin....yeck!!! Martinelli said: Like I'd want 2 fuck his ugly face...The boy is flattering himself  | |
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for starters, wouldn't you stand up & make comments if someone were to slam or degrade your spiritual beliefs? we could easily argue then that many artists or performers in the biz have had their liberties with christianity or any other spritual foundations & we'd be right. true, everyone in the world isn't gay friendly nor religion friendly for that matter which is nothing new but i think it's only natural for someone to stand up for what they believe in at all costs in this life & that is what the orgers are merely doing. so we are to stand back & listen to a bunch of ignorant comments from some no talent retard like 50 cent? to be perfectly honest, prince is an intelligient man & a spiritual man. you would never the b*llshit coming out of his mouth that you would hear from an idiot rapper like fifty cent. and if by chance prince were to make the same comments like fifty cent made, i wouldn't support his music either. why would anyone in their right mind push something they really don't believe in &/ or simply let it get swept under a rug? think about that for awhile... BlaqueKnight said: [color=blue:e34691674f]I'm curious to know why any of you care what "Fiddy Cent" thinks of your lifestyles. His opinions have no direct effect on anyone else, right? Remember that not everyone in the world is gay-friendly. Surely this is not new news. I'm not supporting his views, but rather asking why this seems to come as a surprise. What thug would "come out" to his public audience? That would end his career. Supporting homosexuality would also end his career as a rapper. He should have just steered clear of the issue altogether if he had nothing positive to say.
Its quite possible that Prince could share this view as well at this point in his life. How would y'all react if Prince also felt this way and said it. (Of course he won't; he'd loose so much MONEY it ain't even funny if he did)...but WHAT IF?...hmmm? [/color] | |
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