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PrintableOn All For You, I feel like they were pointless. On The Velvet Rope, there were a few that messed up the flow of the album, but I don't think they took anything away from the music. | |
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I thought this was about Jill Jones  | |
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*¤ "tempting fast money-" *¤ "-iolent crimes are on the uprise" *¤ "  "
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Janet Jackson has little to no talent. Maybe she can dance OK, but that's about it. She owes her entire career to having a famous brother and to Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. She should kiss their black asses every day and thank them for it all.
Without them, she'd just be another crazy Jackson family member like LaToya or Jermaine... . [This message was edited Thu Jan 8 14:17:55 PST 2004 by TonyC] | |
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TonyC said: Janet Jackson has little to no talent. Maybe she can dance OK, but that's about it. She owes her entire career to having a famous brother and to Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. She should kiss their black asses every day and thank them for it all.
Without them, she'd just be another crazy Jackson family member like LaToya or Jermaine... . [This message was edited Thu Jan 8 14:17:55 PST 2004 by TonyC] I do agree that she's too dependent on Jam & Lewis, but she has a pleasing (and, when she wants to use it, a surprisingly good) voice and her charisma is what made her a superstar. She's an entertainer, not a world-class singer. But she does have heavy input on her albums. I don't think what you said about her always relying on Michael's name is fair, though. She's always done her own thing, and her music was more than good enough to stand on its own (in recent years, it's been much better than Michael's). Rhythm Nation, for example, is a much better album (and much less dated) than Bad. The Velvet Rope and AFY were both much better than Invincible, as well, IMHO. And Janet is the only sane/non-drug addict Jackson. That should tell you something. [This message was edited Thu Jan 8 14:31:15 PST 2004 by VoicesCarry] | |
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VoicesCarry said: TonyC said: Janet Jackson has little to no talent. Maybe she can dance OK, but that's about it. She owes her entire career to having a famous brother and to Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. She should kiss their black asses every day and thank them for it all.
Without them, she'd just be another crazy Jackson family member like LaToya or Jermaine... . [This message was edited Thu Jan 8 14:17:55 PST 2004 by TonyC] I do agree that she's too dependent on Jam & Lewis, but she has a pleasing (and, when she wants to use it, a surprisingly good) voice and her charisma is what made her a superstar. She's an entertainer, not a world-class singer. But she does have heavy input on her albums. I don't think what you said about her always relying on Michael's name is fair, though. She's always done her own thing, and her music was more than good enough to stand on its own (in recent years, it's been much better than Michael's). Rhythm Nation, for example, is a much better album (and much less dated) than Bad. The Velvet Rope and AFY were both much better than Invincible, as well, IMHO. And Janet is the only sane/non-drug addict Jackson. That should tell you something. [This message was edited Thu Jan 8 14:31:15 PST 2004 by VoicesCarry] 
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CinisterCee said: "Interlude: T.V."
Some of her best interludes are so good they shouldn't be tracked separately from the songs they precede. | |
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VoicesCarry said: her music was more than good enough to stand on its own (in recent years, it's been much better than Michael's). Rhythm Nation, for example, is a much better album (and much less dated) than Bad. The Velvet Rope and AFY were both much better than Invincible, as well, IMHO.
Yeah, but my main point was that "her music" is Jam and Lewis's music. They wrote all the stuff. She has a lot of fans, so maybe she's a good "performer", but she's like Madonna and has little talent, but just knows how to work with talented people. | |
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I liked Velvet rope but I would like to see some more funk and rock and less ballds lke AFY. What about a few "message" songs like Rhythm Nation had? She's got so many directions she can go, but I hope she gets away from being totally sex boring ballads again. ______________________________________________
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theVelvetRoper said: AaronAlmighty said: theVelvetRoper said: AaronAlmighty said: let's hope it doesn't sound exactly like the last 3.
janet. was an incredible album, and The Velvet Rope is a classic.  that's true. and All For You sounds just like both of them. i'd like to see her try making a great album by doing something even slightly different than the formula that's worked since 1993. it's getting stale... The Velvet Rope and All For You are completely different albums, written at completely different times in her life. actually, you're right. TVR does break the Janet mold in the sense that the lyrics deal with something (anything). but the sound of all 3 is practically the same, only with slight variations to update the sound every 4 years. AFY is, lyrically and musically, almost a carbon copy of "janet." and TVR, while branching out into a few different areas, isn't all that removed from either one of them. as i've said before, the only real question when anticipating a new janet album, is where in the running order she's going to put the orgasm or the rainstorm. AFY really broke new ground by putting it smack dab in the middle of the disc. revultionary.... [This message was edited Thu Jan 8 16:57:53 PST 2004 by AaronAlmighty] "oPS i HITTED THE CAPDLOCK" | |
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CinisterCee said: "The homeless problem-"
*? "good looks and-" *? "die violent-" *? "!!! @-#-%-@-#-%-" *? "-ommon square today" *? "up to the adults to teach the chil-" *? "-eriod, a pain reliever-" *? "near bullets!" *? " "
*? "tempting fast money-" *? "-iolent crimes are on the uprise" *? " "
*? "so frustrat-" *? " "   | |
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TonyC said: VoicesCarry said: her music was more than good enough to stand on its own (in recent years, it's been much better than Michael's). Rhythm Nation, for example, is a much better album (and much less dated) than Bad. The Velvet Rope and AFY were both much better than Invincible, as well, IMHO.
Yeah, but my main point was that "her music" is Jam and Lewis's music. They wrote all the stuff. She has a lot of fans, so maybe she's a good "performer", but she's like Madonna and has little talent, but just knows how to work with talented people. Madonna has little talent? I'd disagree there, considering how much she's involved in her music (she's certainly a much much much much better producer than Janet). | |
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Um, Janet writes all of her lyrics and co-produces everything with Jimmy and Terry. | |
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theVelvetRoper said: Um, Janet writes all of her lyrics and co-produces everything with Jimmy and Terry.
from 1993 on, anyway... Jimmy or Terry gave an interview back in the 80's saying that most of Control was already done by the time Janet got involved. almost all of the songs were written and produced for another female artist, but that didn't pan out. as for janet's writing credit, he said that her involvement was them talking to her, about her interests, and what she wanted to sing about... and they'd write lyrics based on that. "oPS i HITTED THE CAPDLOCK" | |
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AaronAlmighty said: theVelvetRoper said: Um, Janet writes all of her lyrics and co-produces everything with Jimmy and Terry.
from 1993 on, anyway... Jimmy or Terry gave an interview back in the 80's saying that most of Control was already done by the time Janet got involved. almost all of the songs were written and produced for another female artist, but that didn't pan out. as for janet's writing credit, he said that her involvement was them talking to her, about her interests, and what she wanted to sing about... and they'd write lyrics based on that. So she learned as she went...more than I can say for most pop stars. I give her props for that. I also give her props for maintaining the public's interest and making some damn good music over the past 17 years. [This message was edited Thu Jan 8 20:54:04 PST 2004 by VoicesCarry] | |
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VoicesCarry said: TonyC said: VoicesCarry said: her music was more than good enough to stand on its own (in recent years, it's been much better than Michael's). Rhythm Nation, for example, is a much better album (and much less dated) than Bad. The Velvet Rope and AFY were both much better than Invincible, as well, IMHO.
Yeah, but my main point was that "her music" is Jam and Lewis's music. They wrote all the stuff. She has a lot of fans, so maybe she's a good "performer", but she's like Madonna and has little talent, but just knows how to work with talented people. Madonna has little talent? I'd disagree there, considering how much she's involved in her music (she's certainly a much much much much better producer than Janet). lets get real here. madonna and janet are both "producers" in the sae vein. they produce the money to finance projects. they do not produce the sound (other than voice, which lately madonna's has been hidden by those sound effects). co-producer, in the sense these women use, is based strictly on finances. | |
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AaronAlmighty said: theVelvetRoper said: Um, Janet writes all of her lyrics and co-produces everything with Jimmy and Terry.
from 1993 on, anyway... Jimmy or Terry gave an interview back in the 80's saying that most of Control was already done by the time Janet got involved. almost all of the songs were written and produced for another female artist, but that didn't pan out. as for janet's writing credit, he said that her involvement was them talking to her, about her interests, and what she wanted to sing about... and they'd write lyrics based on that. is that elvis in your avatar? how many of his songs did he write? and he's the King of Rock n' Roll...hmmm. | |
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SassyBritches said: VoicesCarry said: TonyC said: VoicesCarry said: her music was more than good enough to stand on its own (in recent years, it's been much better than Michael's). Rhythm Nation, for example, is a much better album (and much less dated) than Bad. The Velvet Rope and AFY were both much better than Invincible, as well, IMHO.
Yeah, but my main point was that "her music" is Jam and Lewis's music. They wrote all the stuff. She has a lot of fans, so maybe she's a good "performer", but she's like Madonna and has little talent, but just knows how to work with talented people. Madonna has little talent? I'd disagree there, considering how much she's involved in her music (she's certainly a much much much much better producer than Janet). lets get real here. madonna and janet are both "producers" in the sae vein. they produce the money to finance projects. they do not produce the sound (other than voice, which lately madonna's has been hidden by those sound effects). co-producer, in the sense these women use, is based strictly on finances. I don't think so, considering that she's produced some material independently, writes most of her songs and seems to be heavily involved in her albums (she always has them meticulously laid out before she even hires a producer). Christina Aguilera would be an example of a studio puppet. I don't think Madonna is so much. | |
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SassyBritches said: AaronAlmighty said: theVelvetRoper said: Um, Janet writes all of her lyrics and co-produces everything with Jimmy and Terry.
from 1993 on, anyway... Jimmy or Terry gave an interview back in the 80's saying that most of Control was already done by the time Janet got involved. almost all of the songs were written and produced for another female artist, but that didn't pan out. as for janet's writing credit, he said that her involvement was them talking to her, about her interests, and what she wanted to sing about... and they'd write lyrics based on that. is that elvis in your avatar? how many of his songs did he write? and he's the King of Rock n' Roll...hmmm. fortunately, he knew that he couldn't write songs well, so he didn't torture his public by doing it... we should only be so lucky to have someone as considerate as him around today. "oPS i HITTED THE CAPDLOCK" | |
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