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PrintableHow come a thread with a shitload of generalizations about white people stays alive but the other way around gets locked and a person usually deactivated?
hmmm... secondly. do you really think the D-12 or Dr. Dre or other black rappers who affiliate themselves with Eminem give a fuck about this? Is it different for a white rapper who has supposedly lived the same lifestyle to say the same shit black rappers say all the time? I thought rap was all about "reality" and shit like that. If Eminem has lived it the same way Easy E or Ludicris then why can't he talk about it? "I'm here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubblegum"
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GIOVANNI said: "THATS THE WAY THE CRACKER CRUMBLES"
... [This message was edited Sun Nov 23 9:21:35 PST 2003 by GIOVANNI] oh my god "Climb in my fur." | |
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NuPwrSoul said: It's like this... when black rappers who are in the black community refer to women as bitches and hoes (which I find unacceptable unless of course they are talking about specific people who have acted as such but most are not)... anyway, when they refer to women and bitches and hoes it is understood that they are referring to black women cuz they are in the black community. It does not need to be said. When em did his song, however, he made specific reference to black women as being different and distinct from himself. He is talking about a "they" a "them" those "others" of which he is not a part. That is very different. VERY DIFFERENT. So to sum up my thoughts: 1. Black men should not use these terms to refer to any women, much less black women. 2. That when they DO use these terms: while it is understood that they are referring to black women, they never state it explicitly. It is an intra-racial issue but is not racialized. 3. When Eminem used these terms, he combined them with a racialized understanding (don't date black girls etc.) he clearly is not talking about "us" from within an "us" mindset. He is setting himself apart from the "us," exercising the benefit of white privilege. Sure he may be down, he may be able to rap well, and he may have lots of black friends. But let some shit go down, and he will become white real quick and get the fuck outta dodge. This is not new. It is a time worn play that has been in effect since the jazz age when white patrons went to black neighborhoods to "slum" or later when the beatniks went for their "spade kicks" ... seeing and using black people as a trope for degeneracy, all the while knowing that at the end of the day they could remove themselves from it, clean up, shave, cut their hair, put on a suit, and move along. Basically. | |
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chemmie said: How come a thread with a shitload of generalizations about white people stays alive but the other way around gets locked and a person usually deactivated?
hmmm... secondly. do you really think the D-12 or Dr. Dre or other black rappers who affiliate themselves with Eminem give a fuck about this? Is it different for a white rapper who has supposedly lived the same lifestyle to say the same shit black rappers say all the time? I thought rap was all about "reality" and shit like that. If Eminem has lived it the same way Easy E or Ludicris then why can't he talk about it? $$$/That's why they tolarate him. | |
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IF anyone cares to notice Eminem..
Has an Opinion ABOUT EVERYONE! EVERYTHING! ..and also He wouldn't be the FIRST Rapper to make a song, a verse in a song or "the hook" on something negative about all women (black or white) DONT Be a Stupid Thin-Skinned Idiot..and single out this ONE negative remark a Rapper says when he: 1) says stuff about everyone.. every group.. everything! 2) 99.9% of EVERY Rapper says something negative about WOMEN.. ALL Women Black or White! 
This reminds me sooo much of when eveyone is listening to Howard Stern.. and Howard it just busting on everyone! ..and your at home laughing your ass off! UNTIL he hits "your thing" whatever you are. then .. all of a sudden you are stone faced & pissed??? then you stop listening to him & then you want him banned.. | |
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PEJ said: intha916 said: PEJ said: intha916 said: "btw intha916 did davd duke ever date any black women"
Doubt he "dated" any but fucking a black woman hardly proves you're not racist. If that was the case, then all those slave masters were not guilty of it either. Again, not calling Em a slave master but let's be careful what we use as a test of someone being racist or not. If you only knew how long of a post I created but deleted so as to be careful about the way racism is viewed. I'm usually not one to hold back but I felt I was rambling a lil too hard and long. One of them "I don't feel like reading this long ass post" dealios..  Aw go ahead and ramble Pej lol. But for real, I've never dug Em. Mostly because I though his beats we weak (Haven't dug Dre's beats since he left Death Row). Em does have decent skilz but it takes more than that to move me. That said, he always seemed like a little bitch to me. The type of cat who wants to be "down" so bad he'll go to any lengths. Even if means going against what's really in his heart. I do think Em has issues with black folks. I think he is jealous of what he can never be. jealous? I guess he has a few bucks to keep him satisfied... btw how do you rate this fela
 If you ask me how I rate him as far as having a jam I would listen too, higher than Em actually. People can talk all they want about what a joke Vanilla was (and they right) but dude had the beat with Ice Ice and you can't take that away from him. If people say they didn't dig that jam back in the day, they frontin'. But as for white rappers, I'll take 3rd Base over the rest. Bringing Together Five Decades of R&B/Funk/Soul/Dance
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intha916 said: If you ask me how I rate him as far as having a jam I would listen too, higher than Em actually. People can talk all they want about what a joke Vanilla was (and they right) but dude had the beat with Ice Ice and you can't take that away from him.
Actually, um, you CAN take that away from him, because that beat was from QUEEN and DAVID BOWIE. Unless you're talking about his second hit - the Turtle's theme song? The Last Otan Track: www.funkmusician.com/what.mp3 | |
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otan said: intha916 said: If you ask me how I rate him as far as having a jam I would listen too, higher than Em actually. People can talk all they want about what a joke Vanilla was (and they right) but dude had the beat with Ice Ice and you can't take that away from him.
Actually, um, you CAN take that away from him, because that beat was from QUEEN and DAVID BOWIE. Unless you're talking about his second hit - the Turtle's theme song? go ninja. go ninja. go. "I'm here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubblegum"
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otan said: intha916 said: If you ask me how I rate him as far as having a jam I would listen too, higher than Em actually. People can talk all they want about what a joke Vanilla was (and they right) but dude had the beat with Ice Ice and you can't take that away from him.
Actually, um, you CAN take that away from him, because that beat was from QUEEN and DAVID BOWIE. Unless you're talking about his second hit - the Turtle's theme song? Of course I know that was taken from "Under Pressure" But how many hip hop jams haven't been built on another song? I'm just going on pure listening pleasure nothing more. And Ice Ice Baby (God I hate even typing that title) was a better track than anything I've heard out of Em. Bringing Together Five Decades of R&B/Funk/Soul/Dance
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intha916 said: otan said: intha916 said: If you ask me how I rate him as far as having a jam I would listen too, higher than Em actually. People can talk all they want about what a joke Vanilla was (and they right) but dude had the beat with Ice Ice and you can't take that away from him.
Actually, um, you CAN take that away from him, because that beat was from QUEEN and DAVID BOWIE. Unless you're talking about his second hit - the Turtle's theme song? Of course I know that was taken from "Under Pressure" But how many hip hop jams haven't been built on another song? I'm just going on pure listening pleasure nothing more. And Ice Ice Baby (God I hate even typing that title) was a better track than anything I've heard out of Em. I love ya, intha916, cuz you funky as hell, but no way does Ice Ice Baby beat any Slim Shady track. | |
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stymie said: intha916 said: otan said: intha916 said: If you ask me how I rate him as far as having a jam I would listen too, higher than Em actually. People can talk all they want about what a joke Vanilla was (and they right) but dude had the beat with Ice Ice and you can't take that away from him.
Actually, um, you CAN take that away from him, because that beat was from QUEEN and DAVID BOWIE. Unless you're talking about his second hit - the Turtle's theme song? Of course I know that was taken from "Under Pressure" But how many hip hop jams haven't been built on another song? I'm just going on pure listening pleasure nothing more. And Ice Ice Baby (God I hate even typing that title) was a better track than anything I've heard out of Em. I love ya, intha916, cuz you funky as hell, but no way does Ice Ice Baby beat any Slim Shady track.Thanks for the props but what Em song is funky? Maybe something's wrong with me but dude's beats have never moved me. Bringing Together Five Decades of R&B/Funk/Soul/Dance
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lovebizzare said: JANFAN4L said: "Don't make this right now a double standard," Benzino said at the press conference. "We gotta treat this the same way you treat Mike Tyson, like you treat Kobe Bryant, like you treat R. Kelly, like you treat O.J. Simpson."
Umm...Mike Tyson was acussed of rape & beat his wife, Kobe is accused of rape, R. Kelly had sex with a minor, and O.J. was accused (AND quilty, IMHO) of murder. "Treat this the same way"? That's giving this a little more importance that it's worth, don't'chathink? I'm sayin!   I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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intha916 said: Thanks for the props but what Em song is funky? Maybe something's wrong with me but dude's beats have never moved me.
Oh come on now - the video where he's dressed up like Robin - I thought the video and the song were great - made fun of himself (yeah along with tons of other folks) but that's the first time I actually thought he wasn't 100% full o shit. And the song WAS a cool groove. The Last Otan Track: www.funkmusician.com/what.mp3 | |
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Who was holding Eminem up as anything more than ignorant anyway? I've never bought his childish rants yet so nothing he says could alter my perception. He's getting a little heat though, bet he wished he had always just rapped against his wife, mother and pop bimbos now. | |
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Its 4:17am. I'm tired. I'm sleepy. I cannot for the life of me sleep. I read all these posts concerning Eminem. I also read as the post morphed from a very pointed debated over a white rapper morph into a debate about racism in America. I guess my first thought was to just pass this one over, not to throw my proverbial hat into the ring. Unfortunately I'm not that type of person now to do that.
First, let me address the Eminem debate. Eminem has always been slanderous towards all people. Its just caught up with him now. How unfortunate his fans cry out! No way. Let's see this for what it is. A beginning to a nail in his coffin. Its about time that he takes the fall for his completely off-base comments. Someone has really called him out this time who has widespread support from the genre he trys to work in. Although I know of the history between the Source and Shady, I see that as a cover-up and a back pedaling for Mr. Shady. In truth(and unfortunate this is)this will be forgotten by 99% of his buyers and will go away with little more notice. Perhaps a footnote in his career. To address the personality/thought-rationale of 10 years: Yes, we all change. Unfortunately though when someone makes a racial comment(s) and then uses a predominantly african-american genre to make money, it tends to hold a greater bearing from where I'm standing. Onto the other comments. I understand where the comment (paraphrasing) "all whites are racist" comes from. Do I agree? On a certain level. I mean I grew up in a nice suburb outside of Baltimore. I had everything I wanted, went to a private high school, college, etc. I never had a run in with the law and pulled over for my skin tone, nor seen with a glaring eye late at night, and I've never ever had a problem hailing a cab at night either. I can understand it that being a member of the United States certainly may make me a member in some small percentage of a racial breakdown. BUT I disagree with you on another level. I don't say I'm not a racist because I own cds from african-american artists. I don't say I'm not a racist because I own a copy of Boyz in the Hood. I don't say I'm not a racist because I have african american friends, or that I listen to hip hop sometimes, etc. No. My reasoning is I'm not a racist because I keep an open mind. I listen, learn, talk to people. I want to be educated. I want to be open to anything. That seems like a large problem in our society. No one wants to listen to either "side". Perhaps thats another problem we look at race as "sides". How many times have I heard that on a news program? No one wants to sit down shut up for 5 minutes to LISTEN not just HEAR what someone else has to say. I agree color is prevalent and there is no way around it. I can never say I understand how someone feels being ridiculed or persecuted for their skin color or religion. I don't have that right being the person I am. A white christian male. I don't have that right. But I do have the right to want understand the problem and try to assess how to better myself and the nation I live in. I don't know. Maybe I'm completely off base. Maybe I'm wrong. But I just wanted to make my thoughts materialize in some fashion. I halfway wonder how my post will be responded to. I just feel that in order for things to work people must be open. People must be ready to listen. | |
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