7Shy said:

FANTASTIC POST! You hit on so many great poits.

And for his excuse "Oh, I did it when I was young, foolish and angry." Wasn't this the same thing David Duke said?

PEJ said:

Thanks for making your post easier to read.

Sweetie, I'm not narrow minded, I don't think "I'm never wrong." I'm just stating my oppinion.

*The M&M lyrics I posted are a quote that AsylumUtopia posted. (Scroll Up) The first time I quoted her I didn't post them. To respond to you, I re-read that and gave it as an example.

We all have issues.

I didn't say M&M was a rapist, but he is pretty violent, isn't he?

As fas as incest goes. It happens all the time. "Fine and Normal?" No. Common? Yes. The kind of incest Prince walk talking about is that curiosity that relatives sometimes have with each other. He wasn't talking about father's abusing their children. He wasn't saying anything violent.

VinnyM27 said:

The Source has been in his case for years and they don't like him, Benzino is just mad and want everybody to hate him and its not going to work. Cause its making me want to hear more of the tracks he did in the past and makes me more interested in him.

alacran83 said:

Regardless of what is or does.. he's interesting none the less

NEW YORK TIMES critical opinion

Unguarded Lyrics Embarrass Eminem
By KELEFA SANNEH
http://www.nytimes.com/20...ner=GOOGLE

Published: November 20, 2003

ip-hop listening sessions are usually pretty dull affairs. It's hard to enjoy any hip-hop album when you're trapped in a conference room with a bunch of media professionals. But when executives from The Source, a hip-hop magazine, asked reporters to attend a listening session on Tuesday night, they weren't expecting people to have a good time. "This is a very important evening," said David Mays, the magazine's co-founder and chief executive. And then, through some rather feeble speakers, he played a profoundly poor hip-hop track from about a decade ago, maybe longer.
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The track is by Eminem, and it sounds like a free style, not a song. Like much of his best and best-known work, this rant castigates an untrustworthy ex-girlfriend. But in this case the ex-girlfriend is black, and the rhymes are full of crude racial taunts. "Black girls only want your money," he says more than once. And early on he lays out his conclusions in sweeping (and inept) language:

Black girls and white girls just don't mix
Because black girls are dumb and white girls are good chicks
White girls are good, I like white girls
I like white girls all over the world
White girls are fine and they blow my mind
And that's why I'm here now, telling you this rhyme
'Cause black girls, I really don't like.

Even before the news conference had begun, Eminem had released a statement acknowledging that the words were his but calling them "foolishness," the sound of a spurned boyfriend venting his "anger, stupidity and frustration."

But the executives from The Source argued that this newly unearthed recording (provided to them, they say, by three white hip-hop fans from Detroit) is a mountain, not a molehill. Kim Osorio, the magazine's editor in chief, said, "These are racist remarks by someone who has the ability to influence millions of minds."

Eminem has spent much of his career earning fans by making enemies, and a casual observer might wonder how this new controversy differs from ones in which the rapper was accused of homophobia and misogyny — accusations that only helped broaden his fame.

The difference is that because he is a white rapper, Eminem has gone out of his way to avoid showing disrespect to African-Americans. He is always reverential to his mentor, Dr. Dre (even when he's joking about killing Dre in a song), and he has been effusive in his praise of 50 Cent, who records for Eminem's label, Shady Records. When listing his favorite rappers, he once ranked himself ninth, behind eight African-American counterparts.

When Eminem jokes about race, he is usually joking about his own, and he has made a point of avoiding hip-hop's most popular racial slur. This avoidance even served as the punch line to one of his jokes: in his song "Criminal," he rhymes, "I drink malt liquor to [mess] you up quicker/ Than you'd wanna [mess] me up for saying the word . . ." — and there's an empty space where the epithet would be. But at Tuesday's news conference, in a Millennium Broadway Hotel in Manhattan, the magazine's executives played a shorter snippet of a different, unreleased track on which a rapper they identified as Eminem uses the word while explaining, in passing, which "girls" he likes and which he doesn't.

These revelations will undoubtedly give Eminem's detractors more reason to dislike him, but they probably won't much bother his hardcore fans. Although much has been made of Eminem's hip-hop credibility, the truth is that for the past few years a number of hip-hop fans — especially black hip-hop fans — seem to have been losing interest in the rapper, who never seemed comfortable in any community, not even the hip-hop community. His music still hews closely to hip-hop's beats-and-rhymes blueprint, but his persona comes straight out of rock 'n' roll: the sullen loner, the paranoid rebel.

In all of this, the main complicating factor is that The Source is far from a neutral observer. The dominating presence at the news conference was that of Benzino Scott, a less-than-successful rapper who is listed on the magazine's masthead as "Co-Founder and Chief Brand Executive." Mr. Scott has been embroiled in a feud with Eminem, and the dispute has spilled into the pages of the magazine.

The February 2003 issue included an illustration of Mr. Scott holding Eminem's severed head. The March issue kept up the attack, calling Eminem an "infiltrator" who has continued the sad legacy of the much-derided white rapper Vanilla Ice. In a roundtable in the same issue, Mr. Scott blamed MTV: "I believe MTV was like a male basically takin' hip-hop, havin' sex with her, pushin' her off, pimpin' her and after that havin' the baby by her. We all know who the baby is: Eminem."

Eminem himself would probably agree with this last criticism. He has admitted in songs and interviews that his race has a lot to do with his huge success. "Do the math, if I was black, I would have sold half," he once rhymed. But while he acknowledges the power of racism, he doesn't make apologies for having figured out a way to work the system.

In his own verses, Mr. Scott tends to express his views of Eminem (born Marshall Mathers) less delicately. In "Die Another Day," he rhymes, "You dyed your hair blond, I'm a make it red/ How you gon' sell records, Marshall, when you're dead?" Later, after casting aspersions about Eminem's sexuality, he adds, "I'm a king, you a little punk/ You the rap David Duke, the rap Hitler/ The culture-stealer." In the context of lyrics like these, the revelation of Eminem's race-baiting recordings seems less like high-minded journalism and more like the continuation of yet another hip-hop feud.

Still, the tapes exist, and Eminem has acknowledged recording at least one of the tracks; if people with more credibility than Mr. Scott start speaking up against him, he may be forced to issue a more substantive apology. In the meantime, though, the magazine vows to press on: Mr. Scott said he planned to distribute the newly unearthed recordings with the February issue.

alacran83 said:

sometimes bad publicity can be good publicty for the artist... I understand your being more interested...no wonder every album goes platinum four times over..more people build curiosity to see what he's all about his movie boosted his finances and popularity also!! I still say it's the rap version of Purple Rain... this theory of him being racist is still hard for me to accept...

Em has been accepted by the b-boy community and the hip hop world both mainstream and underground and I never saw him as racist... I trip on the bizarre methods people use to make somebody seem like something they are not.

btw intha916 did davd duke ever date any black women :Lol:




I have but one question to ASK anybody even a lurker


Besides anything that this thread has said about EMINEM do you think he has any skills in rapping or freestlying!!!

"btw intha916 did davd duke ever date any black women"

Doubt he "dated" any but fucking a black woman hardly proves you're not racist. If that was the case, then all those slave masters were not guilty of it either. Again, not calling Em a slave master but let's be careful what we use as a test of someone being racist or not.

PEJ said:

Absolutely, that's why people brushed off any other homophobic or women-hating lyrics, and will brush off these racist ones.

It makes no difference if he recorded these in 1993 or 2003, people now expect this schtick for being the offensive Slim Shady character.

intha916 said:

If you only knew how long of a post I created but deleted so as to be careful about the way racism is viewed. I'm usually not one to hold back but I felt I was rambling a lil too hard and long. One of them "I don't feel like reading this long ass post" dealios..

CinisterCee said:

Thanks for your input!

7Shy said:

exactly

don't immitate

don't exploitate

don't coppulate

whom you hate

stymie said:

I was laughing the first time I heard "Kill You." I love that song.

Fuck Benzino and the whole Source crew. They're a bunch of hatin' bitches.

PEJ said:

LOL, JANFAN and I are two different Jans. I'm a Janet freak like her, but I don't post it as much as she does. I still hate Justin Timberlake though

How many hits has Benzino had exactly? Did Eminem take them all from him or something?

PEJ said:

Of course he has skills...cant be denied

BlaqueKnight said:

rap "genius"

hahahaha

no need to interject race here. The source is a classless magazine. You can't point a finger at Em for his lyrical content and just mention those racial remarks w/o mentioning the other billion or so objective and offensive burbs in 98% of all hip-hop. Benzino has gone to far with this beef, should be the end of that mag as a reputable source in the hip-hop community, It is quite ignorant to call out "whites" here for defending their "boy" when you have non idea of the race of the ones you are speaking to, and who cares anyway.

The org is colorless in my opinion, let's keep it that way.

JANFAN4L said:

Ahhh...that explains all his anti-gay lyrics then. He musta just broke up with his boyfriend when he wrote them

Eminem is overrated.His songs are all the same shit..."My mother-was-a-slut/whore/drug-user-and-that's-why-I'm-so fucked up" nonsense,or "I-wanna-kill-my-ex,rape-my-bitchy grandmother-and-cut-off-my-daddy's-nuts-if-I-ever-find-the-sonofabitch",blah blah blah.How long will it be until people get sick and tired of his violent,self-referential bullshit?


Racist or not,he sucks either way.

DavidEye said:

My thing is that if a artist comes from a dysfunctional family then chances are, he's going to feel just that way. So whats wrong with him expressing that as a artist? I think he can be a bit repetitive, at the same time I think most artist are when it comes to there life and the things they write about. Nobody listens to a Prince song and then go " Oh no, not another song about a girl ".

popgodazipa said:

1. Out of all the non-whites I know, NONE would defend Eminem for spouting that bullshit. So who's left? Logical assumption, that's all. Even I said in this case, its just Em's past pain coming back to haunt him. I heard the tracks. That's pain talkin', not racial hatred.
2. Its a LOT different when people talk about injustices done to them and speak on their fears and the deep-seeded hatred spawned by those fears than those who have the dominant culture in a society rubbing it in by pushing their self-proclaimed "superiority". There's a lot of "I hate cops, etc." in rap but if you've never been black and harrassed for no reason by them, then you can't comprehend where its coming from. Ask Lenny Kravitz about that one. Em was blowing off steam in song and Benzino is flippin' it to fit his beef, AIGHT! That doesn't mean white guys have the okay-go to drop the "N" word and think we are gonna sit back and love 'em for it. FUCK THAT. NOT happening.
3. The .org, like the rest of the world is FULL OF COLOR. I don't subscribe to that bullshit Prince and others preach about "pretending" everyone is just alike. Its been tried, IT DOESN'T WORK. Appreciating and learning to respect differences is the key. No pretending. Just TRUTH.

PEJ said:

Aw go ahead and ramble Pej lol. But for real, I've never dug Em. Mostly because I though his beats we weak (Haven't dug Dre's beats since he left Death Row). Em does have decent skilz but it takes more than that to move me. That said, he always seemed like a little bitch to me. The type of cat who wants to be "down" so bad he'll go to any lengths. Even if means going against what's really in his heart. I do think Em has issues with black folks. I think he is jealous of what he can never be.

intha916 said:

jealous? I guess he has a few bucks to keep him satisfied... btw how do you rate this fela

Em is one of the most talented MCs in the history of Hip Hop, but he's an immature dickhead now just as he was apparently an immature dickhead years ago. I totally believe in a person spouting off stuff in anger that truly doesn't represent their inner core, and I also believe a person can be reformed. But I also believe in consequences.

If he goes down in flames that he stoked himself, it's probably long overdue.

...And the same goes for that piece-of-crap exploitation rag, The Source.

Lammastide said:

yeah WHAT EVER plenty of racist remarks in rap as it is, just coming from the flip side this time...SOOO WHAT

lets dig up all the racist remarks from every artist
even Miss E.Badu her self...thats the way the cracker crumbles...

BlaqueKnight said:

Name me 10 MCs that would have the balls to battle freestyle with him... and win.

...but start a new thread, as we shouldn't jack this one.
[This message was edited Fri Nov 21 9:14:22 PST 2003 by Lammastide]