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FlyingCloudPas
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Tom Petty Article Worth Reading...

Found this in my stuff I was going through. It was at Rolling Stone.com about a year ago, but it's still valid.
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Tom Petty Is Pissed
And he's got plenty of good reasons

The man who told the world "I Won't Back Down," "Don't Do Me Like That" and "Don't Come Around Here No More" doesn't need any assertiveness-training course. Tom Petty's determined, sometimes defiant attitude has collided with the music business throughout the years.

For instance, in 1982 Petty recorded Hard Promises with the Heartbreakers, only to find that his then-record company had plans to use his name to initiate a new, higher $9.98 list price for albums. Petty withheld the tapes and threatened to retitle his record $8.98 in protest.

That same spirit is alive and well on Petty's latest album, The Last DJ, which takes a hard look at the lack of moral grounding in the music business. The title track has kicked up considerable controversy, with some radio stations seeing the song as a slap in the face and banning it.

But Petty is not just biting the hand that feeds him. Music is only the beginning of what's pissing him off these days. "The Last DJ is a story about morals more than the music business," he says. "It's really about vanishing personal freedoms."

1 Radio is not even worth listening to
"I don't really give a flying fuck about any of it. I've tuned out. But I was elated when my song was banned. I mean, nothing could have complimented me more than to hear they just banned it at such-and-such a station because it's anti-radio. Now, in 2002 to have a song banned that doesn't have a dirty word, doesn't advocate violence -- it's fascinating, you know. Like, what are you afraid of? No record has ever been made that was more pro-radio, you know.

"I remember when the radio meant something. We enjoyed the people who were on it, even if we hated them. They had personalities. They were people of taste, who we trusted. And I see that vanishing. I thought it was a good metaphor to start the album."

2 All anyone thinks about is money
"You don't hear any more of, 'Hey, we did something creative and we turned a profit, how about that?' Everywhere we look, we want to make the most money possible. This is a dangerous, corrupt notion. That's where you see the advent of programming on the radio, and radio research, all these silly things. That has made pop music what it is today. Everything -- morals, truth -- is all going out the window in favor of profit.

"I don't think it's a good attitude in your life to feel that you have to be rich to have self-esteem. You know, I saw a billboard in New York I wish I had photographed. It was for the TNN network. It said three words against a patriotic background of red, white and blue - BIGGER, YOUNGER, RICHER. Now, I find that fascinating: 'Bigger, younger, richer.' This whole idea of being wealthy has gone too far. I never ride in a limousine, you know. I feel gross if I get in a limousine. One good thing about the Sixties was it sort of was the opposite back then. You looked silly trying to appear rich."

3 It's ridiculous to make people pay twenty dollars for a CD
"It's funny how the music industry is enraged about the Internet and the way things are copied without being paid for. But you know why people steal the music? Because they can't afford the music. I'm not condoning downloading music for free. I don't think that's really fair, but I understand it. If you brought CD prices back down to $8.98, you would solve a lot of the industry's problems. You are already seeing it a little -- the White Stripes albums selling for $9.99. Everyone still makes a healthy profit; it might get the music business back on its feet."

4 Only a complete greedhead would charge $150 for a concert ticket
"My top price is about sixty-five dollars, and I turn a very healthy profit on that; I make millions on the road. I see no reason to bring the price up, even though I have heard many an anxious promoter say, 'We could charge 150 bucks for this.' I would like to do this again and maybe come through and not leave a bad taste in people's mouths. I was at one of our gigs recently, and I was just stunned driving in that it cost thirty dollars to park your car. It's so wrong to say, 'OK, we've got them on the ticket and we've got them on the beer and we've got on everything else, let's get them on the damn parking.' You got to care about the person you're dealing with."

5 Record labels don't care about artists
"An act like ours wouldn't even be around today if someone hadn't brought us along and let us make mistakes and grow at our own pace. Today it seems that if you don't have a hit -- or even if you do -- they have no use for you the next time. It's like, 'Well, why wait for these guys to come back with another hit when we can bring in somebody else?' It's an asinine way to conduct yourself. These people are looking at balance sheets, not music. Most people involved in putting this music on the air or bringing it to us aren't really listening to it."

6 Filthy lyrics make me sick
"I'm frustrated by what I hear. Maybe it's not meant for me. Personally, I'm way too bright for a lot of the hip-hop lyrics to affect. I'm much too smart to think that jewelry or how cool I am is really going to change much about my personality. If you're dumb enough that it entertains you, have a great time. But I am seeking more than that.

"When I was a young rock & roll star, I was really fascinated and shocked at times by the power that I had, by the power of my words, and shocked that it can be taken wrong. I don't believe in censorship, but I do believe that an artist has to take some moral responsibility for what he or she is putting out there. And I think a lot of these young kids are going to have to learn the hard way before they realize that you can actually do some damage if you're being careless or frivolous in what you're saying."

7 Only a sick culture would sexualize young girls
"It's disgusting. It's not just pop music, it's fashion, it's TV, it's advertising, it's every element of our culture. Young women are not being respected, children aren't being respected. Why are we creating a nation of child molesters? Could it be that we're dressing up nine-year-old women to look sexy? And even if we're wrong, let's not do it anyway. I really don't put it past these advertising people to say, 'Well, look, we made a lot of money when we brought the nine-year-old out and made her look like a hooker. Let's do it again.' "

8 Why are we rewarding people for being rich?
"Getting back to the whole issue of ticket prices: We don't do the Golden Circle/VIP thing. I don't see how carving out the best seats and charging a lot more for them has anything to do with rock & roll. A lot of the time, some corporation's bought up these seats with someone's money who doesn't even know it's being spent -- and they are going to use it to entertain clients. A lot of the people who buy these seats don't give a damn about the music -- they're going to get a waiter. What you see from the stage is a group of people just talking to each other, not really interested in being there at all. And the poor guy who really is interested, he's sitting way in the back."

9 And TV is worse
"I think television's become a downright dangerous thing. It has no moral barometer whatsoever. If you want to talk about something that is all about money, just watch the television. It's damn dangerous. TV does not care about you or what happens to you. It's downright bad for your health now, and that's not a far-out concept. I think watching the TV news is bad for you. It is bad for your physical health and your mental health. The music business looks like, you know, innocent schoolboys compared to the TV business. They care about nothing but profit. They will make a movie about murdering their kids, you know? And they'll put the guy who killed them on TV. And before long, he might even have his own show."

10 A lot of artists are as greedy as the industry
"Let me say this so it's definitely in the story: I don't think the industry is entirely to blame. Let's face it: The music industry has always been laughably corrupt, always. It's the artists themselves that often cause problems. Artists aren't necessarily business people. And they aren't neces-sarily aware of all the things that go on in their names. Some just want to make some music, but there is a lot of greed among artists as well. Whether or not we know it, we are all to blame. I think it's time -- starting with the artist -- to try to be a little more responsible and aware of what goes on in our name."


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Im with Tom in the tuning out of radio and TV. I've posted before about about my giving up TV and let me tell you, I dont miss it ONE BIT. Really.

Anyway, Toms got a lot of good points.




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[This message was edited Tue Oct 14 1:21:00 PDT 2003 by FlyingCloudPassenger]
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Reply #1 posted 10/14/03 3:21am

abierman

with all the respect, I like Tom Petty and his stuff, but I think mr. Petty is just pissed that he hasn´t had a hit/record for such a long time. He kind of reminds me of Stevie Nicks after Brit and Madonna kissed at the VMA´s.
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Reply #2 posted 10/14/03 9:43am

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yeah, it's funny how all these artists start hating radio and their record companies when people stop buying their stuff.
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Reply #3 posted 10/14/03 5:31pm

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Actually, I think he made a lot of really good points, that have nothing to do with being cheesed off about not being top of the charts.

Like his take on materialism "Bigger, Younger, Richer" and riding around in a limo, for example. Even if I had all the money in the world, I'm sure that I wouldn't really enjoy cruising around posing in a limo. Leave that for 10 over-excited kids going to the prom. (Give me a '57 Chev any day!)

Also, the use of profanity and filthy lyrics just for the sake of it... I'm with Mr Petty on that one. I for one am glad that Prince has laid off the profanity, it's sooo unnecessary. Not to mention LAZY. Language is so rich, why limit yourself to a few words to express an emotion?

Tom Petty might be an old has-been in some people's minds, but he sure has an OPINION which is more than can be said for most of the current thrown-together-for-stage pop outfits that one sees nowadays. Not half a brain between them.

Thanks for posting the article!
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Reply #4 posted 10/14/03 5:45pm

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it's funny, though, that nobody expresses these opinions until they aren't selling records anymore.
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Reply #5 posted 10/14/03 5:50pm

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bohemia said:

I for one am glad that Prince has laid off the profanity, it's sooo unnecessary. Not to mention LAZY. Language is so rich, why limit yourself to a few words to express an emotion?


when you find a word as expressive as FUCK to vent just about any human emotion or description, get back to me.
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Reply #6 posted 10/14/03 5:58pm

bohemia

cynicalbastard said:

bohemia said:

I for one am glad that Prince has laid off the profanity, it's sooo unnecessary. Not to mention LAZY. Language is so rich, why limit yourself to a few words to express an emotion?


when you find a word as expressive as FUCK to vent just about any human emotion or description, get back to me.


There is a time and a place for everything, and as you say, if you need it when you want to VENT, then fine. But not as every second word. It kind of loses it's impact then, don't you think?
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Reply #7 posted 10/14/03 6:00pm

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yes, overuse is always bad. But I don't think it's sensible to avoid profanity just for the sake of avoiding profanity.
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Reply #8 posted 10/14/03 6:00pm

bohemia

AaronUniversal said:

it's funny, though, that nobody expresses these opinions until they aren't selling records anymore.


You have a point here, by and large that's true. I guess it would be hard not to become jaded really when you've tasted success at some stage, but no longer have it.
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Reply #9 posted 10/14/03 6:19pm

bohemia

cynicalbastard said:

yes, overuse is always bad. But I don't think it's sensible to avoid profanity just for the sake of avoiding profanity.


Guess your org name says it all! But seriously, there is a time and a place for everything, and I was refering to the fact that Tom Petty was saying that artists should take responsibility for what they are putting out there. I truly agree with that. If you are going to make a contribution to society via entertainment, then make it as positively as you can. (IMHO).

Of course, people buy what they want, so it's all a matter of personal taste, and the old argument that kids get exposed to everything at school, etc still holds true. But why exascerbate the issue?

For eg, if I was a recording artist or a film director, I would like to think that I could express my point perfectly without having to over-use profanity or taboo topics/scenes just for the sake of being controversial. Notoriety is not my thing, I suppose. Like you said, over-use is always bad. (A lot of people feel this about the Exodus album, I believe).

The use of profanity will alieniate some people.

The non-use of profanity will not alienate anyone.

I guess I just like to be all things to all people... if at all possible. I'm just a softie...! LOL!
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FlyingCloudPas
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AaronUniversal said:

it's funny, though, that nobody expresses these opinions until they aren't selling records anymore.


Its really easy to point at these artists and make them out as has beens. That's not the point, they're trying to make things better for music artists and humans experience of popular music.

It doesn't bother me they haven't had a hit in years. But they did and those songs still mean something, they still touch. The current scene won't have that, you'll see.

Anyone with a smart observation skills and brave commentary can make these comments.

Right AaronFantast...Universal?
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Reply #11 posted 10/14/03 7:07pm

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FlyingCloudPassenger said:

AaronUniversal said:

it's funny, though, that nobody expresses these opinions until they aren't selling records anymore.


Its really easy to point at these artists and make them out as has beens. That's not the point, they're trying to make things better for music artists and humans experience of popular music.

It doesn't bother me they haven't had a hit in years. But they did and those songs still mean something, they still touch. The current scene won't have that, you'll see.

Anyone with a smart observation skills and brave commentary can make these comments.

Right AaronFantast...Universal?



it doesn't bother me that they haven't had a hit in years either. it bothers THEM. when they can't sell records anymore, they're looking at anyone to place the blame on besides themselves and the crap that their music has become, so they point to the next biggest douchebag (after them), which is the record company, and it becomes their boogey-man to rally against.


please. if they could sell more than 30 copies of their latest album, they'd have no problem with the record industry. they never did when people liked them.
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Reply #12 posted 10/14/03 7:19pm

Anxiety

FlyingCloudPassenger said:

AaronUniversal said:

it's funny, though, that nobody expresses these opinions until they aren't selling records anymore.


Its really easy to point at these artists and make them out as has beens. That's not the point, they're trying to make things better for music artists and humans experience of popular music.

It doesn't bother me they haven't had a hit in years. But they did and those songs still mean something, they still touch. The current scene won't have that, you'll see.

Anyone with a smart observation skills and brave commentary can make these comments.

Right AaronFantast...Universal?



The point as I see it is that these artists can AFFORD to complain, as opposed to the so-called "hot artists" who stand to risk their entire careers if they rock the boat. Tom Petty is filthy rich from a long, long career of hitmaking - he could have retired years ago without having to worry about a thing for the rest of his life. The Eagles have one of the top-selling best-of anthologies of all time - it continues to sell regularly. And we all know about the outrageous fortune of one Ms. Courtney Love-Cobain. Even Alanis Morrissette has to be sitting pretty after the meteor from hell called "Jagged Little Pill".

Yeah, these artists have all peaked, but it's not as if they're coming from a place of sour grapes. They seem to me to be coming from a place of safety. They're not getting the hype they used to, they've secured their fanbases, they could exist as indie artists and continue to make a living - so why not tell it like it is about the music industry? What's to lose? Maybe some up-and-coming artists will get a warning of what they're getting themselves into at a major label.

I think this article was interesting the first time I read it. I just have to wonder what FCP's motives are in parroting similar threads recently posted on NPGMC by PaisleyPark9.
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Reply #13 posted 10/14/03 7:23pm

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Anxiety said:

FlyingCloudPassenger said:

AaronUniversal said:

it's funny, though, that nobody expresses these opinions until they aren't selling records anymore.


Its really easy to point at these artists and make them out as has beens. That's not the point, they're trying to make things better for music artists and humans experience of popular music.

It doesn't bother me they haven't had a hit in years. But they did and those songs still mean something, they still touch. The current scene won't have that, you'll see.

Anyone with a smart observation skills and brave commentary can make these comments.

Right AaronFantast...Universal?



The point as I see it is that these artists can AFFORD to complain, as opposed to the so-called "hot artists" who stand to risk their entire careers if they rock the boat. Tom Petty is filthy rich from a long, long career of hitmaking - he could have retired years ago without having to worry about a thing for the rest of his life. The Eagles have one of the top-selling best-of anthologies of all time - it continues to sell regularly. And we all know about the outrageous fortune of one Ms. Courtney Love-Cobain. Even Alanis Morrissette has to be sitting pretty after the meteor from hell called "Jagged Little Pill".

Yeah, these artists have all peaked, but it's not as if they're coming from a place of sour grapes. They seem to me to be coming from a place of safety. They're not getting the hype they used to, they've secured their fanbases, they could exist as indie artists and continue to make a living - so why not tell it like it is about the music industry? What's to lose? Maybe some up-and-coming artists will get a warning of what they're getting themselves into at a major label.

I think this article was interesting the first time I read it. I just have to wonder what FCP's motives are in parroting similar threads recently posted on NPGMC by PaisleyPark9.



i can certainly see it from your angle. but looking at it from the same angle with a different perspective, these people can afford to complain now because they've made it big, secured their fanbases, and become filthy rich on the very system that they're now complaining about. they wouldn't be in a financial position to complain if it wasn't for the record companies and the system that they're now railing against.
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Reply #14 posted 10/14/03 7:30pm

Anxiety

AaronUniversal said:




i can certainly see it from your angle. but looking at it from the same angle with a different perspective, these people can afford to complain now because they've made it big, secured their fanbases, and become filthy rich on the very system that they're now complaining about. they wouldn't be in a financial position to complain if it wasn't for the record companies and the system that they're now railing against.


Good point.
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Reply #15 posted 10/14/03 11:11pm

FlyingCloudPas
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Anxiety said:

...

I think this article was interesting the first time I read it. I just have to wonder what FCP's motives are in parroting similar threads recently posted on NPGMC by PaisleyPark9.



My motives were simply to post an article I found while cleaning out my hard drive. I'm not a member of NPGMC and I never knew it was up on there as well. Coincidence, nothing else.

But again, really easy to talk about their peaks and them sitting pretty on mounds of cash.
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Reply #16 posted 10/15/03 3:13am

DavidEye

AaronUniversal said:

FlyingCloudPassenger said:

AaronUniversal said:

it's funny, though, that nobody expresses these opinions until they aren't selling records anymore.


Its really easy to point at these artists and make them out as has beens. That's not the point, they're trying to make things better for music artists and humans experience of popular music.

It doesn't bother me they haven't had a hit in years. But they did and those songs still mean something, they still touch. The current scene won't have that, you'll see.

Anyone with a smart observation skills and brave commentary can make these comments.

Right AaronFantast...Universal?



it doesn't bother me that they haven't had a hit in years either. it bothers THEM. when they can't sell records anymore, they're looking at anyone to place the blame on besides themselves and the crap that their music has become, so they point to the next biggest douchebag (after them), which is the record company, and it becomes their boogey-man to rally against.


please. if they could sell more than 30 copies of their latest album, they'd have no problem with the record industry. they never did when people liked them.





Very good point! Imagine if MJ's last CD 'Invincible' had sold 25 million copies.Would he have went to war with Sony? I'm always skeptical when some artists launch a war against their record companies.
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