Alot of this music is a little to "Grown Folk" for some of yall,thats all.

Prince invented neo-soul, so if you hate it, then you hate Prince.

2freaky4church1 said:

you are on crack...prince didn't invent neo-soul. Neo soul is this generations soul music. Most of it is soul music with a hip hop vibe.

Great neo-soul, Kelis, Badu, Angie Stone, Family Stand, Rahsaan Patterson, TTD, Mary J Blige.

Worst, Alicia Skeez, Remy Shand, Cody Chestnut, Musiq , Mint Condition.

groovement said:

no, just not everyone likes it. don't be an arse

Hypothetical question... If Sade were just starting out would her music be considered "neo-soul?"

Rhondab said:

Prince invented everything Rhonda, there are rumors going on that prince composed The 5 Th from Beethoven.

How many freakin' times do I have 2 repeat myself?
Please listen 2 the following artist who may appear 2 be neo soul, Raphel Saadiq. Angie Stone. D'angelo, Alicia Keys, Maxwell, Amel Luriex, Jagur Wright, Me'shell ndegleochello and the new comer Novel...

If you listen 2 these albums over and over again, please listen to it again and tell me you don't hear Prince. I ain't the type of person to think that Prince created R&B, because I know better then that, but something is seriously seriously seriously wrong with you, if you don't hear the influence in neo soul music. I hate using the term neo soul, but I will bare with you all 4 one second who don't seem 2 understand.

Now I do believe I watched this program on television that basically went over the whole neo soul movement during the 90's. Which they say started with D'angelo...

But uhmmm, if I ain't mistaken who do D'angelo sound like? Brown Sugar most definetly ain't original, if I ain't mistaken I swear I heard Prince singing in the breakground I could be wrong though and If y'all didn't know, Angie stone wrote most of D'aneglo songs on the first record,which it is clear 2 me Angie Stone was inspired by non other then ... yeah u guessed Prince..


Nowadays ?uestionlove produces much of the neosoul tracks.
?uestionlove is a big prince fan and I think he worked with Prince before. I think that it's a damn shame Prince sound has been recyled so much, some of y'all can't even recognize it when you hear it. I curse the person who said "Even TRC has the neo soul sound in it" Are you really serious, did I just hear that from someone who's a prince fan?

Now it's either alot of u r fairly new Prince fans or just kinda young if you can't see or understand, neo soul ain't nothing new and that Prince basically laid down the foundation for it, even though they don't wanna give the brotha the credit... come on now where is the real music fans???

damn shame

I mean , Hello

Did Alicia Keys remake How come u don't call me anymore or not?
[This message was edited Tue Jul 8 18:35:02 PDT 2003 by DigitalLisa]

The complaint can come fast and heavy on the Neo-soul movement all day long, but I love the live music feel and hope it never stops. For a long time music was so stiff and computerized. Then these guys and gals came along with their live instruments and funky grooves. And there shouldn't be a worry about it. Radio stations will play enough crappy 2-minute songs that are so easily forgettable that good soulful music will fly right over the masses heads.
Now listen as I break this down. I learned that the public in general doesn't gravitate towards complicated music i.g. Jazz, soul, classical. I have been playing instruments and studying music for the past 11 years and simple tunes with 3 chords and repetative words are what people buy and want to hear. If the musician startes throwing in dimished, augm, or 13th chords he loses the public and they call his music boring. Just look at Prince. All of the "HITS" people long for on this and many site are simple tunes i.g. Purple Rain, Little Red Corvette, Nothing Compares. I can play these with my eyes closed. Now that he wants to play more complicated pieces critics say he sucks. I can't play songs from Crystal Ball with my eyes closed. But that album was great.
I personally will support, buy, go see these REAL musicians. The masses can keep the crappy producers making entire loops with one finger. Give me the Hammond Organs, the Fender Rhodes, and the live guitar licks anyday.

Co-sign!





LONG LIVE ANY TYPE OF SOUL OR REAL MUSIC!!! NEO OR VINTAGE!!!

DigitalLisa said:

As a person who has studied music, and comes from a Black musical family, and yes as a Prince fan, I can assure you that Prince himself has taken ALOT musically from those who came before him, meaning that yes, though I love his music, he himself has not been entirely original throughout his career. Music ebbs and flows in cycles...there are R&B influences other than Prince that you can hear in the work of the younger soul artists, because, in part Prince is also influenced by those artists. I hear more Marvin Gaye influence in D'angelo; and I do believe that the chords from Alicia's "fallin" are lifted straight out of James's "It's A Man's World";I have seen Amel Larrieux go straight into an Ella/Be-Bop trance when she's in the smallest of venues; Jill Scott when playing live has the UNCANNY ability to channel both Bessie Smith AND Marion Anderson through her voice; and Lawd KNOWS Erykah is one big Chaka-head; "I'm Leaving This Town" from Raphael Saadiq's "Instant Vintage" is so damn California-Soul-Bobby-Womack it ain't funny, and well, it's no big secret that india.arie
is ALL about Stevie Wonder. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that, though I have loved and appreciated Prince's music for about 25 years now, I do not believe that he is the alpha omega of all soul music, and I think it's important to take care not to forget the influence the above mentioned old-schoolers had on HIS creative developement- not to mention the "usual suspects" like James Brown, Hendrix, and the members of P-Funk (and countless others...which as I focus only on the soul side of his music, we won't even get into his pop stuff as influenced by Joni Mitchell, Kate Bush,etc). Without the influence of THOSE old school soul masters, I doubt that we would have the sound which we older fans have known as Prince for all these years...

As a person who has studied music, and comes from a Black musical family, and yes as a Prince fan, I can assure you that Prince himself has taken ALOT musically from those who came before him, meaning that yes, though I love his music, he himself has not been entirely original throughout his career. Music ebbs and flows in cycles...there are R&B influences other than Prince that you can hear in the work of the younger soul artists, because, in part Prince is also influenced by those artists. I hear more Marvin Gaye influence in D'angelo; and I do believe that the chords from Alicia's "fallin" are lifted straight out of James's "It's A Man's World";I have seen Amel Larrieux go straight into an Ella/Be-Bop trance when she's in the smallest of venues; Jill Scott when playing live has the UNCANNY ability to channel both Bessie Smith AND Marion Anderson through her voice; and Lawd KNOWS Erykah is one big Chaka-head; "I'm Leaving This Town" from Raphael Saadiq's "Instant Vintage" is so damn California-Soul-Bobby-Womack it ain't funny, and well, it's no big secret that india.arie
is ALL about Stevie Wonder. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that, though I have loved and appreciated Prince's music for about 25 years now, I do not believe that he is the alpha omega of all soul music, and I think it's important to take care not to forget the influence the above mentioned old-schoolers had on HIS creative developement- not to mention the "usual suspects" like James Brown, Hendrix, and the members of P-Funk (and countless others...which as I focus only on the soul side of his music, we won't even get into his pop stuff as influenced by Joni Mitchell, Kate Bush,etc). Without the influence of THOSE old school soul masters, I doubt that we would have the sound which we older fans have known as Prince for all these years...

it needs another name atleast. my campus radio station WHUR (howard university), plays that junk all the time, it's really deppressing! i have yet to see some 'neo soul' that's exciting me

I don't know about the rest of you, but in my view i find "neo soul" to be really boring now, with the exception of maybe Floetry and Alicia Keys.. it seems like they use the same tired beats over and over and the lyrics are just unimaginative , i've never been able to get through a whole album of it because it feels like i just heard the same song. anybody else ever get that feeling??

Neo soul is a joke.

its an attempt to recreate music from a time period where the political and social agenda of the group that produced it (ie - African Americans) was considerably different.

The problem with the new (NEO) soul is that the times really AIN'T that different and even though we got some WHACK things going on (a stolen election, a fake war, poverty, police brutality, etc.) VERY FEW of these "neo soul" artists are communicating it.

Why? cause these artists work 4 organizations that won't allow them 2 speak The Truth.

Glenn Lewis may SOUND like Stevie Wonder, but he's not gonna do a "U Haven't Done Nothin." India Arie might go down in history being a Stevie Wonder prodigy, but is she fighting to celebrate a black leader's birthday as a national holiday?

Whole lotta folk SOUNDING like Curtis Mayfiled too. But aint none of them going after the drug culture with the pen the way that Curtis did with Superfly. That's how Remy Shand and Thicke are getting in on the loot. We've done NOTHING 2 make it our OWN. (aaah, but let me see Thicke do a cover of "Something In The Way Of Things"

Folk playing Neo Soul got Neo balls talking about Neo catastrophe and defending the Neo cause.

if these so called SOUL artists allow us 2 go through this time in our history.. and have it record that the only artists that spoke out were the DIXIE CHICKS!?!? then Neo-Soul will be looked back upon like a JOKE!

nuff said.

Donnie is the Truth

Neo soul is a joke.

its an attempt to recreate music from a time period where the political and social agenda of the group that produced it (ie - African Americans) was considerably different.

The problem with the new (NEO) soul is that the times really AIN'T that different and even though we got some WHACK things going on (a stolen election, a fake war, poverty, police brutality, etc.) VERY FEW of these "neo soul" artists are communicating it.

Why? cause these artists work 4 organizations that won't allow them 2 speak The Truth.





Music of any kind is no joke. Even the techno beat of Europe stand as someone's body of work. To get on artist because they don't talk about social issues is judgemental.

We do not live in the 70's anymore. We live in the information age. Why would I need some artist sing about things I see on 10 different cable channels, or anywhere on the World Wide Web. We have numerous talk show pressing every issue in the ground. 30 years ago we didn't have so many sources. Do we really need some musician telling us what going on???

When the WTC was destroyed most musicians sang and soothed our heavy hearts. As long as the music I hear put me in the mood, makes me want to dance or help me forget the worries of the day... All hail Neo-soul and all forms of music.



(I would rather these artist sing corny lines and whatever, rather than sing about Jehova witness or tell me I have to join some music club)

nuff said.