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Reply #30 posted 11/04/23 5:18am

funkbabyandthe
babysitters

one of the few genuinely perfect, or near perfect albums. barely a note out of place. its pop/rnb perfection. quincy jones knew how to trim the fat.

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Reply #31 posted 11/04/23 5:42am

RJOrion

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

one of the few genuinely perfect, or near perfect albums. barely a note out of place. its pop/rnb perfection. quincy jones knew how to trim the fat.





Quincy Jones didnt work on Triumph...that was produced and arranged by The Jacksons, Greg Phillinganes... and also TomTom84 & Jerry Hey (from Earth, Wind & Fire's production crew)...thats why the horn section parts all over those songs are Earth Wind & Fire horns.
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Reply #32 posted 11/04/23 8:46am

CoolMF

Yeah, I'm kinda Thriller-ed out but this looks interesting so I'll have to check it out. After all, the trailer looks like this will contain footage of the album being recorded and that should be dope.

*

Regarding Spike Lee's Bad documentary, I enjoyed it overall (agree with not needing the Kobe/Kanye/Rosie Perez commentary) but the footage of Michael and company at the Waldorf coming up with the Bad choreography was some of the coolest MJJ stuff I've ever seen...

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Reply #33 posted 11/05/23 2:04am

funkbabyandthe
babysitters

RJOrion said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

one of the few genuinely perfect, or near perfect albums. barely a note out of place. its pop/rnb perfection. quincy jones knew how to trim the fat.

Quincy Jones didnt work on Triumph...that was produced and arranged by The Jacksons, Greg Phillinganes... and also TomTom84 & Jerry Hey (from Earth, Wind & Fire's production crew)...thats why the horn section parts all over those songs are Earth Wind & Fire horns.

i know that! i was talking about thriller which remains a masterpiece. obv off the wall is brilliant. but they are different albums. off the wall has better grooves. thriller is just one of those meticulously crafted records you dont get much anymore. plus, even if you hate the hits now, it has human nature. it has PYT. it has lady in my life.

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Reply #34 posted 11/05/23 5:13am

RJOrion

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:



RJOrion said:


funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

one of the few genuinely perfect, or near perfect albums. barely a note out of place. its pop/rnb perfection. quincy jones knew how to trim the fat.



Quincy Jones didnt work on Triumph...that was produced and arranged by The Jacksons, Greg Phillinganes... and also TomTom84 & Jerry Hey (from Earth, Wind & Fire's production crew)...thats why the horn section parts all over those songs are Earth Wind & Fire horns.


i know that! i was talking about thriller which remains a masterpiece. obv off the wall is brilliant. but they are different albums. off the wall has better grooves. thriller is just one of those meticulously crafted records you dont get much anymore. plus, even if you hate the hits now, it has human nature. it has PYT. it has lady in my life.





My bad ..i got caught up in the rapture of "Triumph" talk, and got myself derailed
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Reply #35 posted 11/07/23 6:18pm

funkdoctorrock

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It's funny as I dig the album but as a musician, I really find that album 2 be bore in almost every way. Mj took advantage of the "video" in the early 80's because musically that album really isnt that good lyrically or musically.

Bore..is a strange word to describe Thriller.

Maybe outgrown

That record is electrifying then and now...

It's a Vibe..Michael's energy is in those albums...u feel it....

I do agreee about taking advantage of the video era..altho MTV didnt wanna play it at first.

But those visuals are tied to that album..

But yeah..Right place..right time..

Is it the best album i heard ? No..

Ive heard alot since that album..so i outgrew it in a sense myself...

But its a classic...make no mistake

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Reply #36 posted 11/08/23 10:38am

Se7en

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So many of these albums that we grew up with were so overplayed (at the time) it's easy to throw some shade on them now. Even though they're every bit as brilliant now as they were then.

MJ Thriller . . . Madonna Like A Virgin . . . Prince Purple Rain . . . George Michael Faith . . . U2 Joshua Tree . . . you get the idea.

Radio had a field day with all of these albums!

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Reply #37 posted 11/08/23 10:53am

RJOrion

Se7en said:

So many of these albums that we grew up with were so overplayed (at the time) it's easy to throw some shade on them now. Even though they're every bit as brilliant now as they were then.

MJ Thriller . . . Madonna Like A Virgin . . . Prince Purple Rain . . . George Michael Faith . . . U2 Joshua Tree . . . you get the idea.

Radio had a field day with all of these albums!



Nah...Purple Rain still sounds great...id rather hear "Take Me With U" than ""Billie Jean" everytime...everyday..."When Doves Cry" and "I Would Die 4 U" never sound old and ran through, like "Beat It" and "Thriller"

more proof that P > MJ


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Reply #38 posted 11/08/23 11:58am

BalladofPeterP
arker

thesexofit said:

... but I hate it when celebs who had nothing to do with MJ, give comments on high profile documentaries like this.

GAWD DAYUUUUM I know exactly how you feel! That shit drives me crazy!

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Reply #39 posted 11/08/23 12:24pm

SoulAlive

Se7en said:

So many of these albums that we grew up with were so overplayed (at the time) it's easy to throw some shade on them now. Even though they're every bit as brilliant now as they were then.

MJ Thriller . . . Madonna Like A Virgin . . . Prince Purple Rain . . . George Michael Faith . . . U2 Joshua Tree . . . you get the idea.

Radio had a field day with all of these albums!

The 80s was truly the last amazing era for pop music.We were spoiled with great music biggrin

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Reply #40 posted 11/08/23 2:59pm

Gooddoctor23

funkdoctorrock said:

Gooddoctor23 said:

It's funny as I dig the album but as a musician, I really find that album 2 be bore in almost every way. Mj took advantage of the "video" in the early 80's because musically that album really isnt that good lyrically or musically.

Bore..is a strange word to describe Thriller.

Maybe outgrown

That record is electrifying then and now...

It's a Vibe..Michael's energy is in those albums...u feel it....

I do agreee about taking advantage of the video era..altho MTV didnt wanna play it at first.

But those visuals are tied to that album..

But yeah..Right place..right time..

Is it the best album i heard ? No..

Ive heard alot since that album..so i outgrew it in a sense myself...

But its a classic...make no mistake

Bore.....yes.

Good example, listen 2 Billie Jean (a song I love) from a instrumental or lyrically.

The music is bacally a 5 minute loop and the lyrucs could have been wtitten by a 10 year old.

I dig the song but when u break it down musically.......there isn't much there.

Graycap23 was ME!
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Reply #41 posted 11/10/23 10:01am

funkdoctorrock

Gooddoctor23 said:



funkdoctorrock said:




Gooddoctor23 said:


It's funny as I dig the album but as a musician, I really find that album 2 be bore in almost every way. Mj took advantage of the "video" in the early 80's because musically that album really isnt that good lyrically or musically.



Bore..is a strange word to describe Thriller.


Maybe outgrown


That record is electrifying then and now...


It's a Vibe..Michael's energy is in those albums...u feel it....





I do agreee about taking advantage of the video era..altho MTV didnt wanna play it at first.


But those visuals are tied to that album..


But yeah..Right place..right time..




Is it the best album i heard ? No..


Ive heard alot since that album..so i outgrew it in a sense myself...


But its a classic...make no mistake



Bore.....yes.


Good example, listen 2 Billie Jean (a song I love) from a instrumental or lyrically.


The music is bacally a 5 minute loop and the lyrucs could have been wtitten by a 10 year old.


I dig the song but when u break it down musically.....there isn't much there.



I guess as a musician..u feel it's no longer innovative
and so your viewpoint is to deconstruct and break down
the ingredients.
But I'm into sound... whatever moves me.
I'm wit it..
However simple or complicated to achieve that sound
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Reply #42 posted 11/14/23 12:16pm

SoulAlive

funkdoctorrock said:

Gooddoctor23 said:

Bore.....yes.

Good example, listen 2 Billie Jean (a song I love) from a instrumental or lyrically.

The music is bacally a 5 minute loop and the lyrucs could have been wtitten by a 10 year old.

I dig the song but when u break it down musically.......there isn't much there.

I guess as a musician..u feel it's no longer innovative and so your viewpoint is to deconstruct and break down the ingredients. But I'm into sound... whatever moves me. I'm wit it.. However simple or complicated to achieve that sound

To me,"Billie Jean" is one of those timeless songs that still packs a punch.It never gets old.Once that beat starts,I instantly start bobbing my head biggrin

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Reply #43 posted 11/15/23 3:33pm

RODSERLING

funkdoctorrock said:



Gooddoctor23 said:


It's funny as I dig the album but as a musician, I really find that album 2 be bore in almost every way. Mj took advantage of the "video" in the early 80's because musically that album really isnt that good lyrically or musically.



Bore..is a strange word to describe Thriller.


Maybe outgrown


That record is electrifying then and now...


It's a Vibe..Michael's energy is in those albums...u feel it....





I do agreee about taking advantage of the video era..altho MTV didnt wanna play it at first.


But those visuals are tied to that album..


But yeah..Right place..right time..




Is it the best album i heard ? No..


Ive heard alot since that album..so i outgrew it in a sense myself...


But its a classic...make no mistake



Taking advantage of the video era, that's disputable...He did less than the other acts at the time.

He paid himself a large part of the Thriller video, just like he did years before with Can You Feel It.

The other artists took advantage of that new tool, that's for sure.

There were so many hits on Thriller that didn't use a music video : Human Nature, PYT, Girl Is Mine ( but McCartney's record company clearly took advantage of MJ, contrary to Epic who didn't see the point).
It s shocking, even for 1983, that there was no video for Wanna Be Startin'Something ! As a kid, I pictured one in my head...

For Victory, MJ didn't bother to shoot music videos neither.
It s hard to imagine such an artist launched the Bad album with no video for the 1st single...

After Thriller, MJ/Epic could have released Lady In My Life with a cheap but clean video : it would have been top 10 hit for sure, and a classic song for MJ.
He doesn't have much romantic ballad song in his adult hits catalogue ( besides I Just and Liberian Girl maybe?).
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Reply #44 posted 11/16/23 5:41am

FrankieCoco1

I’m not a big MJ fan but I appreciate the cultural phenomenon of Thriller, the album and song, plus there’s some top notch pop on it.

What I’d like on this doc is confirmation that Prince did attend the first viewing of Thriller.

At a private first showing in November ’83, wrote Vanity Fair, “The A-list turned out … at the 500-seat historic Crest Theatre: Diana Ross, Warren Beatty, Prince, Eddie Murphy. Fourteen minutes after it began, the crowd was on its feet, applauding and crying, “Encore! Encore!” Eddie Murphy shouted, “Show the goddamn thing again!” And they did.”

https://www.vanityfair.co...ler-201007

(Link may be a subscribe only, but possibly viewable as a one off, first time - it was for me)
[Edited 11/17/23 2:31am]
There may or may not be something coming!
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Reply #45 posted 12/03/23 12:36pm

CoolMF

Caught this on Showtime on last night. While there's lots that I could critize or complain about, still loved it. Archive footage from the recordings of the songs, anecdotes from people that were around during that period, and lots of little "details" that I forgot or never knew. All in all, a great documentary and possibly better than Spike's Off The Wall and Bad docs.

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Reply #46 posted 12/04/23 2:17am

RODSERLING

Apparently this documentary is a piece of crap with only 2 or 3 people that were involved in the making of the album Thriller.
Only 4/5 minutes of unreleased footage, like performances of the Victory tour in HD, which only make you think " why they can't just release it instead?"
And by the way, couldn't they just release the making of Thriller, instead of intervizwing John Landis?

Fuck the estate, and especially John Branca who has nothing to do with Thriller, but is still interviewed in this documentary

A review of the documebtary here ( english subtitles ) :

https://youtu.be/lzE7l1yK...wy4cqdl8i9
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