Puts the P estate to shame, an absolute bloody shame. No reason Prince can't be done to this standard.

The old estate was undercooked and embarrassing and the new one is undercooked and embarrassing

Word

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

How easily did his archive get reissued or rereleased and expanded etc though? The Hendrix estate, admittedly working with less albums, started off well. They immediately put out all the main albums, remastered, (no real bonus material until compilations) but at least they came out with the key albums straight away. The prince estate hasnt done anything that logical yet.

Remastered/reissued/expanded is unneccessary and bland.

We already have the albums. People whine about the quality of the 80s albums when they're really whining they have to use the volume knob or the 80s tracks are super jarring when put in a playlist with the 90s material. Track down an OG vinyl or Grundman remastered Rhino release if it's that important. Everyone feenin' for the perpetual double dip. It's like famz getting anxious no PR announcement for the 40th, like we didn't just get a PR expanded, like they're not gonna ca$h-in on every "anniversary" anyway. Why does everybody want to rebuy the same album over and over? People here even advocate releasing his alternate configurations officially... like wtf, make a playlist.

The Vault should be the only concern, and not forcing us to rebuy the same album and same tracks over and over and over just to get a mere 2 discs of new tracks in a $150 "super deluxe".

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Sorry i wasnt advocating pointless remasters I just meant it should have been deluxe editions of all the main albums from the start in some kind of order and plan for release Not this lets do 83, then 87, then 91 with huge waits in between

oh yeah that's one of the the worst parts of the Estate.

Because Prince sales album-to-album were so all over the place they're just trying to randomly trying to recapture random sales figures and audiences at random intervals.

Chronological SDE's would have been genuinely exciting. Kinda resented them from the gate starting in '84 or '82 or whatever was the official start. It's demeaning to the art.

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WhisperingDandelions said:

Remastered/reissued/expanded is unneccessary and bland.

We already have the albums. People whine about the quality of the 80s albums when they're really whining they have to use the volume knob or the 80s tracks are super jarring when put in a playlist with the 90s material. Track down an OG vinyl or Grundman remastered Rhino release if it's that important.

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So let's see: one option is for everyone to have access to properly mastered tracks, and the other option is for people to go out and buy expensive hifi equipment, and search for 40 year old vinyl (or 10 year old vinyl) and pretend those two are equivalent.

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The horseshit some of you lot come up with is just ridiculous.

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Also: please inform me where I can get a properly mastered version of Crystal Ball, because the one that is on CB98 is a brickwalled piece of shit.

WhisperingDandelions said:

Chronological SDE's would have been genuinely exciting.

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Oh for fuck's sake. This would have been a terrible idea. Yeah sure, let's start of with an SDE of "For You", that will get massive sales and kickstart this whole thing.

bizzie said:

So let's see: one option is for everyone to have access to properly mastered tracks, and the other option is for people to go out and buy expensive hifi equipment, and search for 40 year old vinyl (or 10 year old vinyl) and pretend those two are equivalent.

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The horseshit some of you lot come up with is just ridiculous.

The CDs are mastered absolutely fine.

They are flat transfers of the original masters done by Bernie Grundman.

Being flat transfers the bass needs to be turned up and some other elements EQ'd to account for them not being vinyl. With a dynamic equalizer that anyone can download for free the 80s catalogue are absolutely wonderful CDs.

bizzie said:

Also: please inform me where I can get a properly mastered version of Crystal Ball, because the one that is on CB98 is a brickwalled piece of shit.

This you have a point on, but you know this isn't what the average Prince fan is referring to when they beg for remasters.

Everything single Prince record since Love Symbol is brickwalled. Are remasters that brickwall less even a thing? Is there any history of a remaster outside of Prince brickwalling less? Again, it's a great point, but with reference to your next comment about sales what is the real possibility of this?

bizzie said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

Chronological SDE's would have been genuinely exciting.

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Oh for fuck's sake. This would have been a terrible idea. Yeah sure, let's start of with an SDE of "For You", that will get massive sales and kickstart this whole thing.

Why would any overpriced boutique SDE generate "massive sales" from anyone beyond the superfans? You really believe zoomers or a millennial mother of three are picking up a couple sets of SOTT Deluxe as an impulse buy?

You seem to have adopted the Estate's angle that Purple Rain sold x amount so why can't all Prince releases hypothetically sell x, but out of his entire catalogue what % of albums out of 40 records were even "hits" in their original release? Less than 20%?

You play this game of pick and choose based on what hit with the public 40 years ago hoping it lands in the same way again, what is the end goal? You do 1999, Purple Rain, SOTT, D&P, maybe Love Symbol, then what? Your and the Estate's angle will inevitably devalue the remaining records because eventually all you'll be left with are the undersellers and misfit toys, which in all honesty is actually the kind of records Prince primarily put out.

Chronological you at least have the potential of increasing sales/interest with each successive release, much like the initial order of the LPs as he released them did, not to mention educating/perhaps inflating interest from the media types and web publications that cover and review these SDEs.

Totally agree with this...

WhisperingDandelions said:

bizzie said:

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Oh for fuck's sake. This would have been a terrible idea. Yeah sure, let's start of with an SDE of "For You", that will get massive sales and kickstart this whole thing.

Why would any overpriced boutique SDE generate "massive sales" from anyone beyond the superfans? You really believe zoomers or a millennial mother of three are picking up a couple sets of SOTT Deluxe as an impulse buy?

You seem to have adopted the Estate's angle that Purple Rain sold x amount so why can't all Prince releases hypothetically sell x, but out of his entire catalogue what % of albums out of 40 records were even "hits" in their original release? Less than 20%?

You play this game of pick and choose based on what hit with the public 40 years ago hoping it lands in the same way again, what is the end goal? You do 1999, Purple Rain, SOTT, D&P, maybe Love Symbol, then what? Your and the Estate's angle will inevitably devalue the remaining records because eventually all you'll be left with are the undersellers and misfit toys, which in all honesty is actually the kind of records Prince primarily put out.

Chronological you at least have the potential of increasing sales/interest with each successive release, much like the initial order of the LPs as he released them did, not to mention educating/perhaps inflating interest from the media types and web publications that cover and review these SDEs.

WhisperingDandelions said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

How easily did his archive get reissued or rereleased and expanded etc though? The Hendrix estate, admittedly working with less albums, started off well. They immediately put out all the main albums, remastered, (no real bonus material until compilations) but at least they came out with the key albums straight away. The prince estate hasnt done anything that logical yet.

Remastered/reissued/expanded is unneccessary and bland.

We already have the albums. People whine about the quality of the 80s albums when they're really whining they have to use the volume knob or the 80s tracks are super jarring when put in a playlist with the 90s material. Track down an OG vinyl or Grundman remastered Rhino release if it's that important. Everyone feenin' for the perpetual double dip. It's like famz getting anxious no PR announcement for the 40th, like we didn't just get a PR expanded, like they're not gonna ca$h-in on every "anniversary" anyway. Why does everybody want to rebuy the same album over and over? People here even advocate releasing his alternate configurations officially... like wtf, make a playlist.

The Vault should be the only concern, and not forcing us to rebuy the same album and same tracks over and over and over just to get a mere 2 discs of new tracks in a $150 "super deluxe".

An expanded album will often mean tracks from the vault (SOTT has 45 unreleased tracks).

leecaldon said:

An expanded album will often mean tracks from the vault (SOTT has 45 unreleased tracks).

Some of us only buy expanded albums for the Vault tracks, though. Something like Dylan's bootleg series would be preferred, just so we could purchase what we're specifically interested in.

SOTT isn't a bad remaster by any means, but it's still unnecessary. You guys act like his 80s CDs are like Parliament's original CDs mastered with muddy cassette dubs.

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bizzie said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

Chronological SDE's would have been genuinely exciting.

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Oh for fuck's sake. This would have been a terrible idea. Yeah sure, let's start of with an SDE of "For You", that will get massive sales and kickstart this whole thing.

Not so fast Bart... A "For You" Super Delux set +all his previous private recordings and studio work... Throw in a few recordings like "Neurotic Lover's Bedroom", or "I Like What You're Doing" even for the recording quality of what they are, and just because of the huge contrast in what he wanted to proof to get a recording deal, and his own litle dirty private recordings like these gems.

Now that would be some SDE already.

But no massive sales indeed - or maybe.

Bizzarrrrrre!

Vannormal said:

bizzie said:

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Oh for fuck's sake. This would have been a terrible idea. Yeah sure, let's start of with an SDE of "For You", that will get massive sales and kickstart this whole thing.

Not so fast Bart... A "For You" Super Delux set +all his previous private recordings and studio work... Throw in a few recordings like "Neurotic Lover's Bedroom", or "I Like What You're Doing" even for the recording quality of what they are, and just because of the huge contrast in what he wanted to proof to get a recording deal, and his own litle dirty private recordings like these gems.

Now that would be some SDE already.

But no massive sales indeed - or maybe.

It honestly could potential be a big seller if marketed right.

For You is really only more underrated the bigger the Prince fan. And assumedly the bigger the Prince fan the more they'd at least be intrigued by his very first set of demos on some Vault discs.

LOSTPASSWORDMAN said:

Bizzarrrrrre!

No-one could ever understand our bizarre relationship