Will Prince ever leave Michael Jackson's shadow?

Reply #31 posted 01/31/21 4:07am

JayCrawford	SantanaMaitreya said: I don't remember an awful lot of comparisons between P & MJ anyway. Back in the 80s when I was listening to the radio or reading magazines, Prince was mostly compared to Jimi Hendrix. Lol that is true. I remember them saying "Jimi Hendrix of the 80s" which use to piss my dad off 🤣
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Reply #32 posted 01/31/21 4:52am

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FTR, I have always hated this MJ vs Prince shit, because 99% of the time it just gives Prince fans an excuse to tear down Michael. Ironically, the majority of MJ fans don’t do the same on MJ forums. They respect Prince’s talent, even if they are not a fan of his. Another thing that bothers the hell out of me is “Why the fuck are these two BLACK men compared?” Michael was an entertainer, songwriter, humanitarian, philanthropist, etc. Prince was a multi-talented musician, singer, songwriter, etc. They were both great at what they did. They were DIFFERENT. There will never be another entertainer as popular, successful, influential or well-known worldwide as Michael was. There will never be another musician as prolific as Prince was. There will never be another Michael Jackson EVER. There will never be another Prince EVER. BOTTOMLINE!! Can these two great MUSICAL GIANTS co-exist without all of the bullshit? 🤔 [Edited 1/31/21 0:08am]

MJ's fans have forums?? 😲😲

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Reply #33 posted 01/31/21 4:55am

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SantanaMaitreya said:
Free2BMe said:
FTR, I have always hated this MJ vs Prince shit, because 99% of the time it just gives Prince fans an excuse to tear down Michael. Ironically, the majority of MJ fans don’t do the same on MJ forums. They respect Prince’s talent, even if they are not a fan of his. Another thing that bothers the hell out of me is “Why the fuck are these two BLACK men compared?” Michael was an entertainer, songwriter, humanitarian, philanthropist, etc. Prince was a multi-talented musician, singer, songwriter, etc. They were both great at what they did. They were DIFFERENT. There will never be another entertainer as popular, successful, influential or well-known worldwide as Michael was. There will never be another musician as prolific as Prince was. There will never be another Michael Jackson EVER. There will never be another Prince EVER. BOTTOMLINE!! Can these two great MUSICAL GIANTS co-exist without all of the bullshit? 🤔 [Edited 1/31/21 0:08am]
Are there people who go to MJ fan sites and say: "Prince was better"? For some reason, there are Jackson fans who have the need to come here and say that about their hero.

MJ fansites??? Get ouut!

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Reply #34 posted 01/31/21 5:07am

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Free2BMe said:
FTR, I have always hated this MJ vs Prince shit, because 99% of the time it just gives Prince fans an excuse to tear down Michael. Ironically, the majority of MJ fans don’t do the same on MJ forums. They respect Prince’s talent, even if they are not a fan of his. Another thing that bothers the hell out of me is “Why the fuck are these two BLACK men compared?” Michael was an entertainer, songwriter, humanitarian, philanthropist, etc. Prince was a multi-talented musician, singer, songwriter, etc. They were both great at what they did. They were DIFFERENT. There will never be another entertainer as popular, successful, influential or well-known worldwide as Michael was. There will never be another musician as prolific as Prince was. There will never be another Michael Jackson EVER. There will never be another Prince EVER. BOTTOMLINE!! Can these two great MUSICAL GIANTS co-exist without all of the bullshit? 🤔 [Edited 1/31/21 0:08am]

This thread was started by a MJ fan. as always on this site. you also can't expect all prince fans to like MJ. And yeah, some tear him down, why do you care? It's a prince fan site, it's bound to happen. Do you wanna know how many times I've witnessd MJ fans do the same to prince on twitter or facebook, and MJ forums? If you really think it's just prince fans you're delusional. There's idiots on both sites. And if I'm honest, I've witnessed the hate on MJ sites way more than here.

I'v also witnessed that you almost always only chime in on here if there's a thread about mj, or prince and mj. You must be a MJ stan, and you complain about us on a prince fan site pretty often, so I'm asking genuinely, why are you here if you don't really care about Prince?

and before you say it's not true that MJ fans tear down prince, I remember when Blackish did the prince episode and MJ fans got so pissed at that, that they dragged Prince and his fans on twitter for a week. Because "what about mj? He was influential too." "He was the King of Pop" among other comments. There's only MJ for them. They act like there were no other influential artists before or after him, and frankly it's pathetic. There wouldn't even be half of MJ if it weren't for James Brown. What about stevie wonder? MJ was influential, but he wasn't the only one, he was in no way the blueprint.

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Reply #35 posted 01/31/21 5:11am

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SantanaMaitreya said:
Free2BMe said:
FTR, I have always hated this MJ vs Prince shit, because 99% of the time it just gives Prince fans an excuse to tear down Michael. Ironically, the majority of MJ fans don’t do the same on MJ forums. They respect Prince’s talent, even if they are not a fan of his. Another thing that bothers the hell out of me is “Why the fuck are these two BLACK men compared?” Michael was an entertainer, songwriter, humanitarian, philanthropist, etc. Prince was a multi-talented musician, singer, songwriter, etc. They were both great at what they did. They were DIFFERENT. There will never be another entertainer as popular, successful, influential or well-known worldwide as Michael was. There will never be another musician as prolific as Prince was. There will never be another Michael Jackson EVER. There will never be another Prince EVER. BOTTOMLINE!! Can these two great MUSICAL GIANTS co-exist without all of the bullshit? 🤔 [Edited 1/31/21 0:08am]
Are there people who go to MJ fan sites and say: "Prince was better"? For some reason, there are Jackson fans who have the need to come here and say that about their hero.

Nope. Never witnessed that, and I've been on MJ fan sites.

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Reply #36 posted 01/31/21 6:36am

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luv4u said:

This is the level of org moderation in 2021. Disheartening isn't it?

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Reply #37 posted 01/31/21 9:13am

RJOrion	mb71 said: luv4u said: This is the level of org moderation in 2021. Disheartening isn't it? exactly...smh.
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Reply #38 posted 01/31/21 10:47am

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Erm...wasn't Michael Jackson in Fred Astaire's shadow?

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The shadow...

Btw...is this a DC or a Marvel threat ?

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Reply #39 posted 01/31/21 10:47am

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Reply #40 posted 01/31/21 12:49pm

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luv4u said:

This is the level of org moderation in 2021. Disheartening isn't it?

No sense of humour, it's obvious lol

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Reply #41 posted 01/31/21 2:59pm

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Did Michael Jackson overshadow Prince? Yes in the court of popular opinion yes. This means in the domain of casual fans and headlines.

I feel however Prince did not live in Michael Jackson's shadow for the following reasons.

1) Musicianship that was recognized by the world, his ability to be a band leader, to be featured in music magazines, scholarship, guitar bass keyboard and drum magazines. Listen to Dave Grohl talk, is Michael Jackson talked about for his musicianship. Look at the Hall of Fame while my guitar gently weeps performannce, and the super bowl
2) His ability to create interesting and disctinct albums, Dirty Mind, Controversy, 1999, Purple Rain, Parade Sign o the times, Lovesexy and Rainbow Children for a start. Many of these albums could not have been made by Michael Jackson. Oh and the whole produced written and performed by thing. Oh and I forgot the psychedelic jewel that is around the world in a day.
3) His ability to create side projects and protegees that reflected his artistry as well. Let's just say The Time, Sheila E Vanity 6 and Apollonia 6 the Family as the best examples.
4) Ability to write hit songs that non protegees made huge hits. Bangles Manic Monday, Sinead O'Connor Nothing compares 2 U.
5) He got a grammy
6) He got number 1 hits and albums and a string of hits
7) He got a tribute concert and his NPG is touring his music now.
8) He had the chance to sing on Bad as a duet and he turned it down. He had the chance to fall into his shadow and he did not. Prince turned down singing "We are the World" written by MJ and Lionel Richie. He did not want to be in his shadow.
9) He had his own sense of fashion style, the Prince symbol, his Prince ebonics, his ohhhwah scream, pimp rag tootsie rag and a cane.
10) Prince was his own man ("just like Liberace") His songs were diverse and did not ape Michael Jackson's songs. Purple Rain, Sign O the TImes, Kiss, Let's Go Crazy and those are just the overplayed hits. Think about Get Off and Sexy MF. Not MJ copying songs and daring.

Was Little RIchard in Elvis' shadow, was Mowtown in the Beatle's shadow? Just because Prince did not achieve Thriller did not mean he was distinct and made his own way and was unique. I think Prince blazed his own trail and thus was not in Michael Jackson's shadow.

Prince's light was too bright to be in anybody's shadow. He didn't want to be a star in MJ's firmament. "The Continental" "Why be a star when you can be a sun" "My name is Prince" "There are no King's in this world only Princes'" "Fascination" "So called King gives birth to so called Prince"

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Reply #42 posted 01/31/21 4:40pm

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I really think Prince carved out his own entire thing and they each made each other’s musical world better, and you can argue those who followed Prince tend to also use MJ’s influence, and Prince had the better legacy of future artists. MJ’s style was almost inimitable and those who try just feel like diet MJ, whereas Prince imitators often end up sounding like they too are carving out their own niche. Think D’Angelo. But they too use some MJ in their work.

It was an odd combo and the best one possible. I can understand why someone uninformed think it was just “who was bigger”. But musically, neither was really in the others shadow, they were just too unique and so popular that it’s natural to compare the biggest stars, especially when they have the parallels Prince and MJ did (months apart in age, huge James Brown fans, fair skinned slightly androgynous but still massively popular with women, etc)

We are lucky to have witnessed that pair in the top, with all those other legends still hanging around (Stevie, Marvin, Aretha, Smokey, etc)

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Reply #43 posted 01/31/21 5:29pm

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Superstition said:

I really think Prince carved out his own entire thing and they each made each other’s musical world better, and you can argue those who followed Prince tend to also use MJ’s influence, and Prince had the better legacy of future artists. MJ’s style was almost inimitable and those who try just feel like diet MJ, whereas Prince imitators often end up sounding like they too are carving out their own niche. Think D’Angelo. But they too use some MJ in their work.

It was an odd combo and the best one possible. I can understand why someone uninformed think it was just “who was bigger”. But musically, neither was really in the others shadow, they were just too unique and so popular that it’s natural to compare the biggest stars, especially when they have the parallels Prince and MJ did (months apart in age, huge James Brown fans, fair skinned slightly androgynous but still massively popular with women, etc)

We are lucky to have witnessed that pair in the top, with all those other legends still hanging around (Stevie, Marvin, Aretha, Smokey, etc)

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I agree. Watching all the legends from the 50s-80s was magical

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Reply #44 posted 01/31/21 8:51pm

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On a serious note Prince didn't care enough about his stardom. It's like he gave up after Purple Rain.

I think Prince had the ability to, if not overshadow Michael, his shadow could've at least stood head to head with his.

Don't get me wrong I think Prince's legacy is doing...pretty good.

But a lot of it hitches on fond rememberances of Purple Rain and dare I say it, lip service.

I was watching this video once and Prince's name came up and one asked the other if they knew Prince when he died and the person said they were aware of him, and they both agreed that they heard of him but didn't really know anything about him like people were pretending like they were fans from the first album.

That's Prince's legacy with the general public in a nutshell.

Whereas EVERYONE knows Michael Jackson and his fans have always been a special kind of crazy. Michael cared about nothing BUT stardom and it shows now.

Prince has a lot of material to be discovered. Time will tell if a fascination with it overshadows Michael Jackson.

But Michael understood something Prince never seemed to get a hold of; publicity is the name of the game.

I wouldn't say that but he was much more concerned with sales than P was. However, it's a misnomer itself to say that Prince did not care about stardom and commercial success because he clearly did at various points in his career.

Like others have said though, both were in two different lanes musically with some overlap, more so in image and demographic than in the music they put out. Both were far too big in their own right to be in the others shadow even though obviously P never put out the numbers Mike did. I'm tired of people having to diminish the massive talents of one to prop up the other though. We got this topic here from an misinformed Michael fanatic riling up people but usually whenever this topic is broached in some way on here, we got the insecure Prince fans scrambling in to remind you that Prince created music itself and Michael wasn't talented at all because he wasn't talented in the same way as Prince which is absurd. Give it a rest already because this crap is incorrect and played out. These two Midwestern black baby boomers stood out enough from one another and forged their own paths that this back and forth over who's better is pointless. Nobody ever asks who was the best between James Brown and Sly Stone but we have to have Prince VS Michael Jackson topic #491038376198...
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Reply #45 posted 01/31/21 11:50pm

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Free2BMe said:

FTR, I have always hated this MJ vs Prince shit, because 99% of the time it just gives Prince fans an excuse to tear down Michael. Ironically, the majority of MJ fans don’t do the same on MJ forums. They respect Prince’s talent, even if they are not a fan of his. Another thing that bothers the hell out of me is “Why the fuck are these two BLACK men compared?” Michael was an entertainer, songwriter, humanitarian, philanthropist, etc. Prince was a multi-talented musician, singer, songwriter, etc. They were both great at what they did. They were DIFFERENT. There will never be another entertainer as popular, successful, influential or well-known worldwide as Michael was. There will never be another musician as prolific as Prince was. There will never be another Michael Jackson EVER. There will never be another Prince EVER. BOTTOMLINE!! Can these two great MUSICAL GIANTS co-exist without all of the bullshit? 🤔 [Edited 1/31/21 0:08am]

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First, you are a liar when you say that there is more Prince hate on MJ forums than here. FTR, I “chime” in on the topics or threads that I am interested in. I see that YOU do the same? Are you hypocrical or just delusional? Btw, What is this “Stan” shit all about? YES, I am a HUGE MJ fan and have been one for 40+ years. I will defend him against anything that I deem unfair or false. Don’t you and others like you do the same concerning Prince? Are YOU a Prince STAN? Finally, I guess you conveniently ignore that I “chime” in on other topics that INTEREST me, other than the ones that mention MJ. However, I freely admit that ANY topic with MJ mentioned gets my interest and attention. Why don’t you be honest and admit that YOU never seem to IGNORE any topic with MJ’s name and you have a compulsion to ALWAYS chime in with your hypocritical rhetoric. As the little girl on Facebook told her Dad- “Worry about YOURSELF”.😎

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Reply #46 posted 02/01/21 3:37am

I love MJ and Prince, but there is no comparison.
Even the world let everyone know who was greater (not my opinion because to me they;'re both equally the greatest in there own non comparable way)
When Prince died the entire world was colored purple as a tribute to him and for MJ nothing as great like this was done.
Sadly MJ is now seen as that talented pervert by most people and Prince is deservedly seen as the GOAT.

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Reply #47 posted 02/01/21 6:16am

JorisE73 said:

I love MJ and Prince, but there is no comparison.
Even the world let everyone know who was greater (not my opinion because to me they;'re both equally the greatest in there own non comparable way)
When Prince died the entire world was colored purple as a tribute to him and for MJ nothing as great like this was done.
Sadly MJ is now seen as that talented pervert by most people and Prince is deservedly seen as the GOAT.

That's objectively false and a pretty disingenuous thing to say.
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Reply #48 posted 02/01/21 6:32am

MotownSubdivision said:
JorisE73 said:

I love MJ and Prince, but there is no comparison.
Even the world let everyone know who was greater (not my opinion because to me they;'re both equally the greatest in there own non comparable way)
When Prince died the entire world was colored purple as a tribute to him and for MJ nothing as great like this was done.
Sadly MJ is now seen as that talented pervert by most people and Prince is deservedly seen as the GOAT.

That's objectively false and a pretty disingenuous thing to say. [Edited 2/1/21 6:19am]

Well, as an MJ fan I was appaled at the lack of celebration or honours to him when he died.
It was really thin compare to the display and outpourring of love from all over the world for Prince (all those purple lighted monuments around the world was a sight to behold, endless articles and specials on programs.)

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Reply #49 posted 02/01/21 6:34am

JorisE73 said:

MotownSubdivision said:

JorisE73 said:

I love MJ and Prince, but there is no comparison.
Even the world let everyone know who was greater (not my opinion because to me they;'re both equally the greatest in there own non comparable way)
When Prince died the entire world was colored purple as a tribute to him and for MJ nothing as great like this was done.
Sadly MJ is now seen as that talented pervert by most people and Prince is deservedly seen as the GOAT.

That's objectively false and a pretty disingenuous thing to say. [Edited 2/1/21 6:19am]

That's some selective memory then.

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Reply #50 posted 02/01/21 6:42am

MotownSubdivision said:
JorisE73 said:

Well, as an MJ fan I was appaled at the lack of celebration or honours to him when he died.
It was really thin compare to the display and outpourring of love from all over the world for Prince (all those purple lighted monuments around the world was a sight to behold, endless articles and specials on programs.)

That's some selective memory then.

It's not. Maybe in the US the celebration for MJ was big but outside in Europe for example it wasn't nearly as huge as when Prince died. Even now 5 years later people are still talking about Prince and what he meant and did. To me it felt like MJ was already forgotten by the public 3 years after he died.
the only recent thing from MJ in the news is that nonsense Leaving Neverland bullshit and lies.

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Reply #51 posted 02/01/21 9:17am

JorisE73 said:

MotownSubdivision said:

JorisE73 said:

Well, as an MJ fan I was appaled at the lack of celebration or honours to him when he died.
It was really thin compare to the display and outpourring of love from all over the world for Prince (all those purple lighted monuments around the world was a sight to behold, endless articles and specials on programs.)

That's some selective memory then.

Where are you from? Because here in the States, Michael was in the news for the week plus after his death up to (and even after) his memorial service. Not to mention the service itself which was viewed by over 31 million people. Total views across all modes of broadcast were said to have tallied up to 2.5 billion; that I'm not so sure of but many news outlets stated this and it's highly possible considering that it was screened in many theaters across the country as well as those of various other nations overseas. If true, that would make it the most watched live broadcast in history. The media coverage on MJ's death superceded that of Pope John Paul II while the Nielsen rating reported 31.1 million viewers was comparable to Ronald Reagan's funeral service (35.1 million) as well as being the most watched event in online streaming history at a time when streaming was just a fledgling concept nowhere near the dominant format it is today.

At the time, you could not change the channel without seeing or hearing Michael Jackson; he was unavoidable. That's not to mention the obligatory tributes at the VMAs, AMAs and the following year's Grammys as well as them going so far as to have him reprise his first verse posthumously in "We are The World 25".

Oh yeah, so many people worldwide Googled Michael the day he died and in the days following that they crashed the site. And it's interesting that you specifically say it seems people forgot about him 3 years later because that is when Bad 25 came out. It did pretty well on the charts in many countries and was marketed almost like it was a brand new album even doing a promotional campaign with Pepsi. Also, there was "Love Never Felt So Good" with Timberlake in 2014 which hit the Top 10 in the US and charted high in various other territories including the album it came from (Xscape; his third posthumous release) which hit the Top 5 in all but one country including #2 here in the States.

To this day, Michael is still used as a benchmark for success, he is constantly used by publications to make the names of today look good even when he isn't even the one they should be getting compared too. Just recently, Taylor Swift matched his number of weeks at #1 for albums and the headlines report it as her breaking his record when it isn't even his record to break (The Beatles hold the record while Michael stands in fourth (eventually fifth) place on the list). Then of course, there's the whole "The Eagles Surpass Thriller as the Greatest Selling Album" even though Thriller still is the greatest selling album the world over by a wide margin as The Eagles' Greatest Hits (not even an actual album of their's) has allegedly outsold him only in the US but they don't mention those details in the headlines which is all that the majority of people pay attention too. In spite of the media and press trying to diminish his legacy, he's still one of the most streamed artists of all time and is among the top if not at the absolute top of best-selling/streaming old school artists on a regular basis

I'm sure there's more but I think that's plenty huge.

EDIT: He was also inducted into the Dance Hall of Fame over a year after his death, becoming the first (and to date, IIRC only) pop star to receive the honor.
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Reply #52 posted 02/01/21 12:51pm

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Free2BMe said:
ThatWhiteDude said:

This thread was started by a MJ fan. as always on this site. you also can't expect all prince fans to like MJ. And yeah, some tear him down, why do you care? It's a prince fan site, it's bound to happen. Do you wanna know how many times I've witnessd MJ fans do the same to prince on twitter or facebook, and MJ forums? If you really think it's just prince fans you're delusional. There's idiots on both sites. And if I'm honest, I've witnessed the hate on MJ sites way more than here.

I'v also witnessed that you almost always only chime in on here if there's a thread about mj, or prince and mj. You must be a MJ stan, and you complain about us on a prince fan site pretty often, so I'm asking genuinely, why are you here if you don't really care about Prince?

and before you say it's not true that MJ fans tear down prince, I remember when Blackish did the prince episode and MJ fans got so pissed at that, that they dragged Prince and his fans on twitter for a week. Because "what about mj? He was influential too." "He was the King of Pop" among other comments. There's only MJ for them. They act like there were no other influential artists before or after him, and frankly it's pathetic. There wouldn't even be half of MJ if it weren't for James Brown. What about stevie wonder? MJ was influential, but he wasn't the only one, he was in no way the blueprint.

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What is this “Stan” shit all about? YES, I am a HUGE MJ fan and have been one for 40+ years. I will defend him against anything that I deem unfair or false. Don’t you and others like you do the same concerning Prince? Are YOU a Prince STAN?

Well no, if you would've done a search on my posting history, you would realize that I never did and never will defend him against everything. Because not everything people claim about him is unfair. I'm a fan, not a fanatic. lol And people didn't defend MJ on twitter because of the damn blackish episode, they tackily hated on Prince and his fans. They took a hot shit on his legacy, as if it was none existent. And I've never witnessed MJ being dragged on here for no reason. Or are you mad that some here might believe that he's guilty, or that they believe Prince was better? Is that your problem? Is that what you call unfair, that people have opinions that differ from yours?

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Reply #53 posted 02/01/21 2:57pm

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FTR, I have always hated this MJ vs Prince shit, because 99% of the time it just gives Prince fans an excuse to tear down Michael. Ironically, the majority of MJ fans don’t do the same on MJ forums. They respect Prince’s talent, even if they are not a fan of his. Another thing that bothers the hell out of me is “Why the fuck are these two BLACK men compared?” Michael was an entertainer, songwriter, humanitarian, philanthropist, etc. Prince was a multi-talented musician, singer, songwriter, etc. They were both great at what they did. They were DIFFERENT. There will never be another entertainer as popular, successful, influential or well-known worldwide as Michael was. There will never be another musician as prolific as Prince was. There will never be another Michael Jackson EVER. There will never be another Prince EVER. BOTTOMLINE!! Can these two great MUSICAL GIANTS co-exist without all of the bullshit? 🤔 [Edited 1/31/21 0:08am]

I agree, both men were great talents, although my personal favorite is Prince, always has been, always will be. However, I do think that it was a Michael Jackson fan that came here, to try to incite and taunt Prince fans, because why else would someone come on a Prince website just to state "Will Prince ever leave Michael Jackson's shadow?"...I mean, come on. rolleyes

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Reply #54 posted 02/01/21 3:50pm

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Since the begin of his career Prince has always been in MJ's shadow and the only time that he managed to leave MJ's shadow was during the Purple Rain Era but after that era he has mostly always been in Michael Jackson's shadow

even in the death he is still in MJ's shadow and it seems that he will probably leave MJ's shadow

that is why i am wondering if he will able one day to leave Michael Jackson's shadow

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Reply #55 posted 02/01/21 8:36pm

Free2BMe

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JorisE73 said:

MotownSubdivision said:

JorisE73 said:

Well, as an MJ fan I was appaled at the lack of celebration or honours to him when he died.
It was really thin compare to the display and outpourring of love from all over the world for Prince (all those purple lighted monuments around the world was a sight to behold, endless articles and specials on programs.)

That's some selective memory then.

Thank you for pointing out these FACTS! I guess these people were either too young or blind to see how the WORLD reacted to Michael’s death. It was unprecedented. I’ve never seen anything like it. It was as if a Head of State had died. You may have already mentioned this but the reaction was so overwhelming that the internet crashed and it was reported that they thought that there was an attack on the country. The reaction was in every city, every village etc. in the world.

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Reply #56 posted 02/01/21 8:58pm

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It's kinda hard to be in the shadow of someone who eventually waited five years to release each album. Hell, even a ground hog wouldn't see that shadow.

Andy is a four letter word.

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Reply #57 posted 02/02/21 1:15am

Free2BMe said:
MotownSubdivision said:
Where are you from? Because here in the States, Michael was in the news for the week plus after his death up to (and even after) his memorial service. Not to mention the service itself which was viewed by over 31 million people. Total views across all modes of broadcast were said to have tallied up to 2.5 billion; that I'm not so sure of but many news outlets stated this and it's highly possible considering that it was screened in many theaters across the country as well as those of various other nations overseas. If true, that would make it the most watched live broadcast in history. The media coverage on MJ's death superceded that of Pope John Paul II while the Nielsen rating reported 31.1 million viewers was comparable to Ronald Reagan's funeral service (35.1 million) as well as being the most watched event in online streaming history at a time when streaming was just a fledgling concept nowhere near the dominant format it is today. At the time, you could not change the channel without seeing or hearing Michael Jackson; he was unavoidable. That's not to mention the obligatory tributes at the VMAs, AMAs and the following year's Grammys as well as them going so far as to have him reprise his first verse posthumously in "We are The World 25". Oh yeah, so many people worldwide Googled Michael the day he died and in the days following that they crashed the site. And it's interesting that you specifically say it seems people forgot about him 3 years later because that is when Bad 25 came out. It did pretty well on the charts in many countries and was marketed almost like it was a brand new album even doing a promotional campaign with Pepsi. Also, there was "Love Never Felt So Good" with Timberlake in 2014 which hit the Top 10 in the US and charted high in various other territories including the album it came from (Xscape; his third posthumous release) which hit the Top 5 in all but one country including #2 here in the States. To this day, Michael is still used as a benchmark for success, he is constantly used by publications to make the names of today look good even when he isn't even the one they should be getting compared too. Just recently, Taylor Swift matched his number of weeks at #1 for albums and the headlines report it as her breaking his record when it isn't even his record to break (The Beatles hold the record while Michael stands in fourth (eventually fifth) place on the list). Then of course, there's the whole "The Eagles Surpass Thriller as the Greatest Selling Album" even though Thriller still is the greatest selling album the world over by a wide margin as The Eagles' Greatest Hits (not even an actual album of their's) has allegedly outsold him only in the US but they don't mention those details in the headlines which is all that the majority of people pay attention too. In spite of the media and press trying to diminish his legacy, he's still one of the most streamed artists of all time and is among the top if not at the absolute top of best-selling/streaming old school artists on a regular basis I'm sure there's more but I think that's plenty huge. EDIT: He was also inducted into the Dance Hall of Fame over a year after his death, becoming the first (and to date, IIRC only) pop star to receive the honor. [Edited 2/1/21 15:34pm]
Thank you for pointing out these FACTS! I guess these people were either too young or blind to see how the WORLD reacted to Michael’s death. It was unprecedented. I’ve never seen anything like it. It was as if a Head of State had died. You may have already mentioned this but the reaction was so overwhelming that the internet crashed and it was reported that they thought that there was an attack on the country. The reaction was in every city, every village etc. in the world.

I'm 47 and from the Netherlands and MJ's death was a hot topic for a week over here (Prince's death was a hot topic for at least 3 years.)
Like I said in the US it was probably huge but outside of the US it seemed 'forgotten' real fast compared to Prince's death. I'm not saying the World didn't react at all or something like you seem to imply but it was over real fast. Prince's death is still a thing outside of the US while MJ's isn't even mentioned at all anymore. This is not a dig or something it's just something that as a MJ and Prince fan struck me. These days when MJ is mentioned it's along the lines of bullshit pedo stuff or that Leaving Neverland garbage or bullshit discussions if it's still ok to listen to his music or play him on the radio.

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Reply #58 posted 02/02/21 2:02am

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JorisE73 said:

I'm 47 and from the Netherlands and MJ's death was a hot topic for a week over here (Prince's death was a hot topic for at least 3 years.)

Wow. You got a pretty warped perception. Way off. On both counts. And I'm in Europe too. And really? Is this a competition??

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Reply #59 posted 02/02/21 3:05am

PatrickS77 said:

JorisE73 said:

I'm 47 and from the Netherlands and MJ's death was a hot topic for a week over here (Prince's death was a hot topic for at least 3 years.)

Wow. You got a pretty warped perception. Way off. On both counts. And I'm in Europe too. And really? Is this a competition??

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Like I said i'm a huge fan of both and don't do these bullshit comparisons between two completely different artists but the topic is just that.
My perception isn't warped as someone who obsesively followeed any and everything regarding MJ's death when it happend and same for Prince. Prince is stll being discussed frequently MJ isn't and when he is being discussd it's usually tainted with BS pedo assumptions.

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