Will Prince ever leave Michael Jackson's shadow?

Reply #91 posted 02/05/21 9:58am

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JorisE73 said:

Free2BMe said:

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Where are you from? Because here in the States, Michael was in the news for the week plus after his death up to (and even after) his memorial service. Not to mention the service itself which was viewed by over 31 million people. Total views across all modes of broadcast were said to have tallied up to 2.5 billion; that I'm not so sure of but many news outlets stated this and it's highly possible considering that it was screened in many theaters across the country as well as those of various other nations overseas. If true, that would make it the most watched live broadcast in history. The media coverage on MJ's death superceded that of Pope John Paul II while the Nielsen rating reported 31.1 million viewers was comparable to Ronald Reagan's funeral service (35.1 million) as well as being the most watched event in online streaming history at a time when streaming was just a fledgling concept nowhere near the dominant format it is today. At the time, you could not change the channel without seeing or hearing Michael Jackson; he was unavoidable. That's not to mention the obligatory tributes at the VMAs, AMAs and the following year's Grammys as well as them going so far as to have him reprise his first verse posthumously in "We are The World 25". Oh yeah, so many people worldwide Googled Michael the day he died and in the days following that they crashed the site. And it's interesting that you specifically say it seems people forgot about him 3 years later because that is when Bad 25 came out. It did pretty well on the charts in many countries and was marketed almost like it was a brand new album even doing a promotional campaign with Pepsi. Also, there was "Love Never Felt So Good" with Timberlake in 2014 which hit the Top 10 in the US and charted high in various other territories including the album it came from (Xscape; his third posthumous release) which hit the Top 5 in all but one country including #2 here in the States. To this day, Michael is still used as a benchmark for success, he is constantly used by publications to make the names of today look good even when he isn't even the one they should be getting compared too. Just recently, Taylor Swift matched his number of weeks at #1 for albums and the headlines report it as her breaking his record when it isn't even his record to break (The Beatles hold the record while Michael stands in fourth (eventually fifth) place on the list). Then of course, there's the whole "The Eagles Surpass Thriller as the Greatest Selling Album" even though Thriller still is the greatest selling album the world over by a wide margin as The Eagles' Greatest Hits (not even an actual album of their's) has allegedly outsold him only in the US but they don't mention those details in the headlines which is all that the majority of people pay attention too. In spite of the media and press trying to diminish his legacy, he's still one of the most streamed artists of all time and is among the top if not at the absolute top of best-selling/streaming old school artists on a regular basis I'm sure there's more but I think that's plenty huge. EDIT: He was also inducted into the Dance Hall of Fame over a year after his death, becoming the first (and to date, IIRC only) pop star to receive the honor. [Edited 2/1/21 15:34pm]

Thank you for pointing out these FACTS! I guess these people were either too young or blind to see how the WORLD reacted to Michael’s death. It was unprecedented. I’ve never seen anything like it. It was as if a Head of State had died. You may have already mentioned this but the reaction was so overwhelming that the internet crashed and it was reported that they thought that there was an attack on the country. The reaction was in every city, every village etc. in the world.

I'm 47 and from the Netherlands and MJ's death was a hot topic for a week over here (Prince's death was a hot topic for at least 3 years.)
Like I said in the US it was probably huge but outside of the US it seemed 'forgotten' real fast compared to Prince's death. I'm not saying the World didn't react at all or something like you seem to imply but it was over real fast. Prince's death is still a thing outside of the US while MJ's isn't even mentioned at all anymore. This is not a dig or something it's just something that as a MJ and Prince fan struck me. These days when MJ is mentioned it's along the lines of bullshit pedo stuff or that Leaving Neverland garbage or bullshit discussions if it's still ok to listen to his music or play him on the radio.

You gotta look at it this way too.

Michael was always a topic of conversation and was a far bigger star than Prince who himself was a massive star and a musical legend in his own right. Prince, however was much more elusive and rarely discussed in mainstream circles; aside from the odd award show appearance here and there, P was not in the public light and access to his work wasn't nearly as accessible as Michael's or just about any other big name in music for that matter. When Prince died, that opened the floodgates for people to talk about him more and acknowledge his contributions because aside from a few moments in his career, he was rarely talked about. Plus, talking about one in death carries a different, more reverential tone.

Prince's videos and music being on YouTube is making a HUGE difference for his legacy which unfortunately, he himself hindered while alive. It's sad that it took his death for it to happen but now that his music is available on YT, billions of people, especially young people who aren't familiar with him or even know of him can see the man and what he did which opens up more avenues for discussion amongst more people, young and old alike. Michael was a prominent, well-publicized figure since childhood, he doesn't harbor as many unknowns as Prince did for that reason. It's not as though nobody is talking about him, it's that there's not as much to talk about now especially compared to the more recently departed Prince.
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Reply #92 posted 02/05/21 3:44pm

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I don't think he was in Mike's shadow anymore than any other artist at that time. As an entertainer to me Michael Jackson was always in a class by himself and I'm talking about before Thriller. Jackson has that Michael Jordan type of effect where there is Jordan and then there is everyone else

Prince without a doubt is clearly the most talented. I have noticed that Prince as an artist seems to be the more respected out of the two of them.

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Reply #93 posted 02/05/21 5:41pm

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daingermouz2020 said:

Prince got over well with the domineering snobbish rock press who worship those who can strum a guitar let alone as amazingly as Prince could. On top of that he was an ace with multiple other instruments and could sing and dance but his ticket in with that community was due mainly to his instrumental acumen, I believe. That and his extensive songwriting.

Michael's feature strengths were his dancing and singing abilities but he could also write and produce among other contributions but despite that, people want to pretend like dancing and singing were the only things he contributed to his music and his collaborators did everything else. Even before the age of the internet which gave us boundless information just a click away, the proof that MJ was the creative force who simply worked with others to help him realize his vision (as countless other artists have) and wrote/co-wrote and co-produced the majority of his biggest hits never mind the rest of his adult discography was/is in the album credits. For some reason though, some people would rather ignore the actual facts just to push the narrative that he wasn't talented at all and feel the need to compare him to a distinctly different artist in Prince just to come up with reasons to undermine him more. It's essentially folks going "This talented guy isn't actually talented because this other guy is more talented in differing ways than him!"

Just looking at MJ and Prince's upbringing which influenced their legendary musical output should be enough to stop this needless apples and oranges comparison.
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Reply #94 posted 02/05/21 5:54pm

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MotownSubdivision said:
daingermouz2020 said:
I don't think he was in Mike's shadow anymore than any other artist at that time. As an entertainer to me Michael Jackson was always in a class by himself and I'm talking about before Thriller. Jackson has that Michael Jordan type of effect where there is Jordan and then there is everyone else Prince without a doubt is clearly the most talented. I have noticed that Prince as an artist seems to be the more respected out of the two of them.
Prince got over well with the domineering snobbish rock press who worship those who can strum a guitar let alone as amazingly as Prince could. On top of that he was an ace with multiple other instruments and could sing and dance but his ticket in with that community was due mainly to his instrumental acumen, I believe. That and his extensive songwriting. Michael's feature strengths were his dancing and singing abilities but he could also write and produce among other contributions but despite that, people want to pretend like dancing and singing were the only things he contributed to his music and his collaborators did everything else. Even before the age of the internet which gave us boundless information just a click away, the proof that MJ was the creative force who simply worked with others to help him realize his vision (as countless other artists have) and wrote/co-wrote and co-produced the majority of his biggest hits never mind the rest of his adult discography was/is in the album credits. For some reason though, some people would rather ignore the actual facts just to push the narrative that he wasn't talented at all and feel the need to compare him to a distinctly different artist in Prince just to come up with reasons to undermine him more. It's essentially folks going "This talented guy isn't actually talented because this other guy is more talented in differing ways than him!" Just looking at MJ and Prince's upbringing which influenced their legendary musical output should be enough to stop this needless apples and oranges comparison. [Edited 2/5/21 17:41pm]

The comparisons are as pointless know and they were back then.

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Reply #95 posted 02/05/21 7:19pm

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Say what you like about Michael Jackson, Thriller and Dangerous are Exhibit A albums.

And if you disagree then the various lobes of your brain don't make sufficient connections.
Disclaimer, sorry if that sounds abstract and technical. Not sorry.

Dangerous is one of the greatest albums ever made...by anyone

Yeah rhythmically it's kinda genius. Except, apparently the sound is very new jack swing which wasn't his invention. I actually prefer it a little to P's Diamonds and Pearls- shock horror- released the same year boxed

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Reply #96 posted 02/05/21 7:59pm

khill95	Ya'll gotta stop pinning these kings together. Different artists, different music, different aesthetics. Let them be great in their own rights
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Reply #97 posted 02/05/21 8:36pm

Mannheim	thebanishedone said: Prince was a musician and Jackson was an entertainer. Why comparing a dancer and singer to a musician? Do you compare Paula Abdul to Eddie Van Halen? [Edited 1/30/21 0:05am] A musician who released more mediocre albums than good albums? That is why he is in MJ's shadow
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Reply #98 posted 02/05/21 8:40pm

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pure nonsense and tomfoolery...Prince wasnt/isnt in "Michael Jackson's shadow"... what are you even talking about?...both of them reached the mountaintop at dfferent times and maintained their greatness longer than almost ANY of their other peers and competitors...with all the millions of artists in the world, why cant two black men BOTH be considered the greatest at what they did...especially since Prince and Michael did their thing completely different, and took different routes to get there...you sound like a fool talkin bout some imaginary "shadows"

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LoL
Although they were both successfull
Prince has never been at MJ's level, he has always been in MJ's shadow
You can try to be delusional but the facts show us that Prince is/will always be in MJ's shadow

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Reply #99 posted 02/05/21 8:42pm

Mannheim	khill95 said: Ya'll gotta stop pinning these kings together. Different artists, different music, different aesthetics. Let them be great in their own rights Prince a King? LoL Between them MJ is the only one who is the King Don't try to put Prince at MJ's level During his career he never reached MJ's level So don't call him king and try to rewrite the history
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Reply #100 posted 02/05/21 9:05pm

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Huh? Prince was better than Michael Jackson in every aspect.

EVERY SINGLE ASPECT.................100% true, except 4 sales, and Prince didn't go out of his way or play the game in that way. Before u could even get used 2 Prince's new album, he was dropping another one.

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Reply #101 posted 02/05/21 9:24pm

MotownSubdivis ion	Is TC serious? Prince released nothing but mediocre albums...? WTF? Also, those implying Prince was a better singer and especially a better dancer than Mike? Are y'all kidding...? Is this the level of delusion some fans have driven themselves too?
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Reply #102 posted 02/05/21 10:04pm

alphastreet	khill95 said: Ya'll gotta stop pinning these kings together. Different artists, different music, different aesthetics. Let them be great in their own rights This right here. Though mj is my favourite male artist, Prince is a close second
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Reply #103 posted 02/05/21 10:28pm

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Mannheim said:
khill95 said:

Ya'll gotta stop pinning these kings together. Different artists, different music, different aesthetics. Let them be great in their own rights

Prince a King? LoL Between them MJ is the only one who is the King Don't try to put Prince at MJ's level During his career he never reached MJ's level So don't call him king and try to rewrite the history

So this right here shows you wasted all of our time with a question you obviously already had the answer to.

Some rightfully called you out early.

It's time you went back to your MJ forum.

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Reply #104 posted 02/05/21 11:24pm

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Is TC serious? Prince released nothing but mediocre albums...? WTF? Also, those implying Prince was a better singer and especially a better dancer than Mike? Are y'all kidding...? Is this the level of delusion some fans have driven themselves too?

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Reply #105 posted 02/06/21 12:26am

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JayCrawford said:

Huh? Prince was better than Michael Jackson in every aspect.

EVERY SINGLE ASPECT.....100% true, except 4 sales, and Prince didn't go out of his way or play the game in that way. Before u could even get used 2 Prince's new album, he was dropping another one.

Prince was better than MJ in every aspect but he released more mediocre albums than good albums?
MJ wrote better and more iconic songs than Prince
Prince was about quantity and MJ was about quality
That is why Prince has always been in MJ's shadow
People will always prefer quality over quantity
Even on all streaming platforms MJ and his 6 studio albums crush Prince and his 40 albums
MJ = Quality
Prince = Quantity

Quality>>>>>>>>>>>Quantity

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Reply #106 posted 02/06/21 12:41am

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Mannheim said:
Graycap23 said:

EVERY SINGLE ASPECT.................100% true, except 4 sales, and Prince didn't go out of his way or play the game in that way. Before u could even get used 2 Prince's new album, he was dropping another one.

Prince was better than MJ in every aspect but he released more mediocre albums than good albums? MJ wrote better and more iconic songs than Prince Prince was about quantity and MJ was about quality That is why Prince has always been in MJ's shadow People will always prefer quality over quantity Even on all streaming platforms MJ and his 6 studio albums crush Prince and his 40 albums MJ = Quality Prince = Quantity Quality>>>>>>>>>>>Quantity

lol.........

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Reply #107 posted 02/06/21 1:14am

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Mannheim said:

thebanishedone said:

Prince was a musician and Jackson was an entertainer. Why comparing a dancer and singer to a musician? Do you compare Paula Abdul to Eddie Van Halen?

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A musician who released more mediocre albums than good albums?
That is why he is in MJ's shadow

There's not much point in starting a thread if you're not interested in other people's opinions. Four pages and you're still saying the same thing as on page one. Let's stop wasting each other's time.

If you take any of this seriously, you're a bigger fool than I am.

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Reply #108 posted 02/06/21 1:37am

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Mannheim said:
A musician who released more mediocre albums than good albums? That is why he is in MJ's shadow
There's not much point in starting a thread if you're not interested in other people's opinions. Four pages and you're still saying the same thing as on page one. Let's stop wasting each other's time.

as always Prince fans only one argument

they like to brag about the fact that Prince could 200000 instruments, write 900000 songs and released 50000000000000 albums

don't you find it sad that people around the world will always prefer MJ over Prince although Prince could play 200000 instruments?

Prince released 40 albums but MJ crushes him on every streaming platform with just 6 studio albums (Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad, Dangerous, HIStory, Invincible)

MJ also wrote/composed more iconic songs than Prince

people will always prefer quality over quantity

that is why Prince has always been/will always be in MJ's shadow

On Spotify

- Prince's catalog generated 1,669,932,940 plays

Number of followers: 5,015,249

Michael Jackson's catalog generated 7,352,871,522 plays

Number of followers: 17,325,020

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Reply #109 posted 02/06/21 1:39am

Mannheim	even in death MJ still crushes Prince in every streaming platform and it is not even close that is why he is still in MJ's shadow On Spotify - Prince's catalog (over 40 albums) generated 1,669,932,940 plays Number of followers: 5,015,249 - Michael Jackson's catalog generated 7,352,871,522 plays Number of followers: 17,325,020
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Reply #110 posted 02/06/21 2:28am

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Mannheim said:

even in death MJ still crushes Prince in every streaming platform and it is not even close

that is why he is still in MJ's shadow

On Spotify

- Prince's catalog (over 40 albums) generated 1,669,932,940 plays

Number of followers: 5,015,249

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Michael Jackson's catalog generated 7,352,871,522 plays

Number of followers: 17,325,020

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Reply #111 posted 02/06/21 4:40am

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Seriously, who really gives much of a fuck about the question posed in this thread? Both Michael and Prince did what they did. And both are now DEAD. So, WTF???

This is how we honor their memories????? disbelief

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Reply #112 posted 02/06/21 5:34am

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Mannheim said:

SantanaMaitreya said:
Mannheim said: There's not much point in starting a thread if you're not interested in other people's opinions. Four pages and you're still saying the same thing as on page one. Let's stop wasting each other's time.

as always Prince fans only one argument

they like to brag about the fact that Prince could 200000 instruments, write 900000 songs and released 50000000000000 albums

don't you find it sad that people around the world will always prefer MJ over Prince although Prince could play 200000 instruments?

Prince released 40 albums but MJ crushes him on every streaming platform with just 6 studio albums (Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad, Dangerous, HIStory, Invincible)

MJ also wrote/composed more iconic songs than Prince

people will always prefer quality over quantity

that is why Prince has always been/will always be in MJ's shadow

On Spotify

- Prince's catalog generated 1,669,932,940 plays

Number of followers: 5,015,249

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Michael Jackson's catalog generated 7,352,871,522 plays

Number of followers: 17,325,020

It's funny that you say we only have one argument, when the only horse y'all have in the race is MJ's sales and streams on spotify. lol So, just because MJ sold more, his songs have a better quality than Prince songs? I think the fuck not. So, Prince sold 100 million records in total, I just googled it. According to Google, Beyonce sold 118 million records as a solo artist. So, by your logic, her songs are better than his?

Elvis record sales are on par with MJ's, you think he's just as good? Because of the sales? Let's talk about MJ's record he broke with his Bad album. He had five number 1 singles in the billboard 100 with that album. So, Katy Perry had the same record with her Teenage Dreams album. Is she just as good, or better because of it? I think the fuck not.

What I'm trying to say is, that sales and records don't necessasarily mean an artist's songs have more quality to them than those of an aritst who sales less. Show me a song from MJ that is on Adore's level, on Sign o the times level. In a fair world, Prince would've been on MJ's spot. But Pop music always sold and will always sell more than any other Genre.

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Reply #113 posted 02/06/21 6:21am

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Mannheim said:

as always Prince fans only one argument

they like to brag about the fact that Prince could 200000 instruments, write 900000 songs and released 50000000000000 albums

don't you find it sad that people around the world will always prefer MJ over Prince although Prince could play 200000 instruments?

Prince released 40 albums but MJ crushes him on every streaming platform with just 6 studio albums (Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad, Dangerous, HIStory, Invincible)

MJ also wrote/composed more iconic songs than Prince

people will always prefer quality over quantity

that is why Prince has always been/will always be in MJ's shadow

On Spotify

- Prince's catalog generated 1,669,932,940 plays

Number of followers: 5,015,249

-

Michael Jackson's catalog generated 7,352,871,522 plays

Number of followers: 17,325,020

It's funny that you say we only have one argument, when the only horse y'all have in the race is MJ's sales and streams on spotify. So, just because MJ sold more, his songs have a better quality than Prince songs? I think the fuck not. So, Prince sold 100 million records in total, I just googled it. According to Google, Beyonce sold 118 million records as a solo artist. So, by your logic, her songs are better than his?

Elvis record sales are on par with MJ's, you think he's just as good? Because of the sales? Let's talk about MJ's record he broke with his Bad album. He had five number 1 singles in the billboard 100 with that album. So, Katy Perry had the same record with her Teenage Dreams album. Is she just as good, or better because of it? I think the fuck not.

What I'm trying to say is, that sales and records don't necessasarily mean an artist's songs have more quality to them than those of an aritst who sales less. Show me a song from MJ that is on Adore's level, on Sign o the times level. In a fair world, Prince would've been on MJ's spot. But Pop music always sold and will always sell more than any other Genre.

why are you mentioning Beyonce, Katy Perry?

they are not MJ or Prince's peers to be mentioned in this thread

Prince and MJ are peers, so they can be compared

Since the 80s MJ crushed in almost every aspect and Prince was in his shadow

even in death he is still in MJ's shadow

MJ is bigger than him in almost every aspect

i don't need to show MJ's songs that are better than Prince's songs

MJ wrote more iconic songs than Prince and by the public's reception it just shows us that MJ's songs are better

they are both on every streaming platform but Prince is not even close to MJ

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Reply #114 posted 02/06/21 6:29am

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Mannheim said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

It's funny that you say we only have one argument, when the only horse y'all have in the race is MJ's sales and streams on spotify. So, just because MJ sold more, his songs have a better quality than Prince songs? I think the fuck not. So, Prince sold 100 million records in total, I just googled it. According to Google, Beyonce sold 118 million records as a solo artist. So, by your logic, her songs are better than his?

Elvis record sales are on par with MJ's, you think he's just as good? Because of the sales? Let's talk about MJ's record he broke with his Bad album. He had five number 1 singles in the billboard 100 with that album. So, Katy Perry had the same record with her Teenage Dreams album. Is she just as good, or better because of it? I think the fuck not.

What I'm trying to say is, that sales and records don't necessasarily mean an artist's songs have more quality to them than those of an aritst who sales less. Show me a song from MJ that is on Adore's level, on Sign o the times level. In a fair world, Prince would've been on MJ's spot. But Pop music always sold and will always sell more than any other Genre.

why are you mentioning Beyonce, Katy Perry?

they are not MJ or Prince's peers to be mentioned in this thread

Prince and MJ are peers, so they can be compared

Since the 80s MJ crushed in almost every aspect and Prince was in his shadow

even in death he is still in MJ's shadow

MJ is bigger than him in almost every aspect

i don't need to show MJ's songs that are better than Prince's songs

MJ wrote more iconic songs than Prince and by the public's reception it just shows us that MJ's songs are better

they are both on every streaming platform but Prince is not even close to MJ

No. I took your argument about sales and compared Katy Perry and Beyonce, because they either broke the same record as MJ, or sold more than Prince, and therefore, by your logic are better, or on par. I mentioned them to show you how stupid your argument about sales is. lol The beatles sold more than MJ and Elvis. Are they better? lol

If we're talking about sales I can mentioned every single artist who sold more, or the same amount of records. Because according to your argument, it says what artist is better than the other. It doesn't matter if they're the same generation or not.

Is MJ bettet than Stevie Wonder? If you say yes, because sales....you're just downright disrespectful and it shows your lack of knowledge in musical history.

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Reply #115 posted 02/06/21 6:40am

ThatWhiteDude said:

Mannheim said:

why are you mentioning Beyonce, Katy Perry?

they are not MJ or Prince's peers to be mentioned in this thread

Prince and MJ are peers, so they can be compared

Since the 80s MJ crushed in almost every aspect and Prince was in his shadow

even in death he is still in MJ's shadow

MJ is bigger than him in almost every aspect

i don't need to show MJ's songs that are better than Prince's songs

MJ wrote more iconic songs than Prince and by the public's reception it just shows us that MJ's songs are better

they are both on every streaming platform but Prince is not even close to MJ

No. I took your argument about sales and compared Katy Perry and Beyonce, because they either broke the same record as MJ, or sold more than Prince, and therefore, by your logic are better, or on par. I mentioned them to show you how stupid your argument about sales is. The beatles sold more than MJ and Elvis in the US and United kingdom. Are they better?

If we're talking about sales I can mentioned every single artist who sold more, or the same amount of records. Because according to your argument, it says what artist is better than the other. It doesn't matter if they're the same generation or not.

Is MJ bettet than Stevie Wonder? If you say yes, because sales....you're just downright disrespectful and it shows your lack of knowledge in musical history.

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even if you mention Beyonce, Rihanna, Adele, Taylor Swift etc... MJ crushes them all

none of them are at MJ's level

this thread is about MJ and Prince and not about other artists, so i don't understand why you keep mentioning other artists

all the evidences show us that Prince is in MJ's shadow

MJ has a bigger legacy than Prince and will always have

MJ is more praised, celebrated, loved, respected than Prince

MJ is more influential and impactfull than Prince

the only argument that Prince fans have, is that Prince could play 200000000 instruments

it is not because you can play instruments that your albums are better

you can try to deny the truth but the facts show us that MJ is bigger than Prince and Prince will always be in his shadow

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Reply #116 posted 02/06/21 6:45am

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Mannheim said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

No. I took your argument about sales and compared Katy Perry and Beyonce, because they either broke the same record as MJ, or sold more than Prince, and therefore, by your logic are better, or on par. I mentioned them to show you how stupid your argument about sales is. The beatles sold more than MJ and Elvis in the US and United kingdom. Are they better?

If we're talking about sales I can mentioned every single artist who sold more, or the same amount of records. Because according to your argument, it says what artist is better than the other. It doesn't matter if they're the same generation or not.

Is MJ bettet than Stevie Wonder? If you say yes, because sales....you're just downright disrespectful and it shows your lack of knowledge in musical history.

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even if you mention Beyonce, Rihanna, Adele, Taylor Swift etc... MJ crushes them all

none of them are at MJ's level

this thread is about MJ and Prince and not about other artists, so i don't understand why you keep mentioning other artists

all the evidences show us that Prince is in MJ's shadow

MJ has a bigger legacy than Prince and will always have

MJ is more praised, celebrated, loved, respected than Prince

MJ is more influential and impactfull than Prince

the only argument that Prince fans have, is that Prince could play 200000000 instruments

it is not because you can play instruments that your albums are better

you can try to deny the truth but the facts show us that MJ is bigger than Prince and Prince will always be in his shadow

Not only did Prince write songs, but he played most instruments and produced music. His hands-on approach gave creative power back to artists. By taking full control over the direction of his work, Prince was able to shape the sounds that still influence countless musicians to this very day.

There, come back when you read that article about Prince's influence. Or even better, crawl back to your MJ forums and leave us the fuck alone.

https://olimpusmusic.com/prince-changed-music-forever/#:~:text=Not%20only%20did%20Prince%20write,musicians%20to%20this%20very%20day.

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Reply #117 posted 02/06/21 6:54am

ThatWhiteDude said:

Mannheim said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

No. I took your argument about sales and compared Katy Perry and Beyonce, because they either broke the same record as MJ, or sold more than Prince, and therefore, by your logic are better, or on par. I mentioned them to show you how stupid your argument about sales is. The beatles sold more than MJ and Elvis in the US and United kingdom. Are they better?

If we're talking about sales I can mentioned every single artist who sold more, or the same amount of records. Because according to your argument, it says what artist is better than the other. It doesn't matter if they're the same generation or not.

Is MJ bettet than Stevie Wonder? If you say yes, because sales....you're just downright disrespectful and it shows your lack of knowledge in musical history.

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even if you mention Beyonce, Rihanna, Adele, Taylor Swift etc... MJ crushes them all

none of them are at MJ's level

this thread is about MJ and Prince and not about other artists, so i don't understand why you keep mentioning other artists

all the evidences show us that Prince is in MJ's shadow

MJ has a bigger legacy than Prince and will always have

MJ is more praised, celebrated, loved, respected than Prince

MJ is more influential and impactfull than Prince

the only argument that Prince fans have, is that Prince could play 200000 instruments

it is not because you can play instruments that your albums are better

you can try to deny the truth but the facts show us that MJ is bigger than Prince and Prince will always be in his shadow

https://olimpusmusic.com/prince-changed-music-forever/#:~:text=Not%20only%20did%20Prince%20write,musicians%20to%20this%20very%20day.

That probably explain why 90% of his catalog is mediocre
He thought that he could do everything by himself
Even as Songwriter he is not even better than MJ
Prince wrote 200000 songs but 95% of these songs are just mediocre
That is why he his mostly known for one song
Meanwhile MJ wrote less songs than Prince but almost all these songs are better/more iconic than Prince's songs
Quality>>>>>>>>>>>Quantity

If Prince was so influential as you claim, you would have needed to post a Propaganda article about his supposed "impact or influence"

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Reply #118 posted 02/06/21 6:58am

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Mannheim said:
ThatWhiteDude said:

Not only did Prince write songs, but he played most instruments and produced music. His hands-on approach gave creative power back to artists. By taking full control over the direction of his work, Prince was able to shape the sounds that still influence countless musicians to this very day.

There, come back when you read that article about Prince's influence. Or even better, crawl back to your MJ forums and leave us the fuck alone.

https://olimpusmusic.com/prince-changed-music-forever/#:~:text=Not%20only%20did%20Prince%20write,musicians%20to%20this%20very%20day.

That probably explain why 90% of his catalog is mediocre He thought that he could do everything by himself Even as Songwriter he is not even better than MJ Prince wrote 2000000 songs but 95% of these songs are just mediocre That is why he his mostly known for one song Meanwhile MJ wrote less songs than Prince but almost all these songs are better/more iconic than Prince's songs Quality>>>>>>>>>>>Quantity If Prince was so influential as you claim, you would have needed to post a Propaganda article about his supposed "impact or influence"

LMAO. MJ, in no way, was a better songwriter than Prince. lol lol He didn't even really write his most iconic songs. He took part in it, but that's about it.

you can hear Prince's influence in bruno Mars' songs, look at frank ocean etc. There's a whole bunch of artists he inspired with his sound. If you can't hear it, you're deaf.

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Reply #119 posted 02/06/21 7:07am

ThatWhiteDude said:

Mannheim said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Not only did Prince write songs, but he played most instruments and produced music. His hands-on approach gave creative power back to artists. By taking full control over the direction of his work, Prince was able to shape the sounds that still influence countless musicians to this very day.

There, come back when you read that article about Prince's influence. Or even better, crawl back to your MJ forums and leave us the fuck alone.

https://olimpusmusic.com/prince-changed-music-forever/#:~:text=Not%20only%20did%20Prince%20write,musicians%20to%20this%20very%20day.

That probably explain why 90% of his catalog is mediocre He thought that he could do everything by himself Even as Songwriter he is not even better than MJ Prince wrote 200000 songs but 95% of these songs are just mediocre That is why he his mostly known for one song Meanwhile MJ wrote less songs than Prince but almost all these songs are better/more iconic than Prince's songs Quality>>>>>>>>>>>Quantity If Prince was so influential as you claim, you would have needed to post a Propaganda article about his supposed "impact or influence"

LMAO. MJ, in no way, was a better songwriter than Prince. lol lol He didn't even really write his most iconic songs. He took part in it, but that's about it.

you can hear Prince's influence in bruno Mars' songs, look at frank ocean etc. There's a whole bunch of artists he inspired with his sound. If you can't hear it, you're deaf.

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LoL
MJ wrote and composed his most iconic song (Billie Jean)
MJ wrote better and more iconic songs than Prince
MJ wrote/composed by himself 8/9 #1 hits
Quality over Quantity
No one cares about the minneapolis sound
MJ is the biggest influence in Bruno Mars's career

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