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Thread started 01/23/21 6:06pm

thebanishedone

oh Sheila by Ready 4 The World a ripoff of Cameo Style

Wonder why Cameo didn't sue cause it's the same groove
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Reply #1 posted 01/23/21 6:26pm

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thebanishedone said:

Wonder why Cameo didn't sue

Maybe they don't care. Nobody sued the Bar-Kays and they have several songs that sound like others. Billy Ocean didn't get sued for Caribbean Queen which sounds similar to Billie Jean. The rhythm to Billie Jean itself sounds kinda like I Can't Go For That by Hall & Oates. Hall & Oates even said that Mike told them this at the We Are The World recording session. A lot of times lawsuits comes from a publishing company or an unknown songwriter that only sues when a song becomes a big hit. John Fogerty got sued for having a solo song that sounded like a CCR song that he wrote. John did not own the publishing to the CCR material, the owner of Fantasy Records did. That's who sued. If people are going to sue because of soundalike songs, then entire genres like house music, reggaeton, or Tejano wouldn't exist. lol Because there's a lot of soundalikes there.

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Reply #2 posted 01/23/21 9:00pm

SoulAlive

yep,when I first heard "Oh,Sheila",I thought that the synth riff sounds alot like Cameo's "Style".

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Reply #3 posted 01/23/21 9:19pm

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They always sounded like prince imitators to me
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Reply #4 posted 01/23/21 9:20pm

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Artists weren't as touchy about other songs sounding similar to theirs back then.

If Cameo decided to sue in this post-"Blurred Lines" world then they'd have a good shot at winning.
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Reply #5 posted 01/24/21 3:48am

thebanishedone

MickyDolenz said:

thebanishedone said:

Wonder why Cameo didn't sue

Maybe they don't care. Nobody sued the Bar-Kays and they have several songs that sound like others. Billy Ocean didn't get sued for Caribbean Queen which sounds similar to Billie Jean. The rhythm to Billie Jean itself sounds kinda like I Can't Go For That by Hall & Oates. Hall & Oates even said that Mike told them this at the We Are The World recording session. A lot of times lawsuits comes from a publishing company or an unknown songwriter that only sues when a song becomes a big hit. John Fogerty got sued for having a solo song that sounded like a CCR song that he wrote. John did not own the publishing to the CCR material, the owner of Fantasy Records did. That's who sued. If people are going to sue because of soundalike songs, then entire genres like house music, reggaeton, or Tejano wouldn't exist. lol Because there's a lot of soundalikes there.

I agree about Bar Kays but Carribian Queen only have similar way of how bass is accented,harmony wise its totally different

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Reply #6 posted 01/24/21 9:30am

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thebanishedone said:

Wonder why Cameo didn't sue cause it's the same groove

I am not familiar with Cameo's "Style" but I always liked "Oh Sheila" as the best and most accurate emulation of Prince's Minneapolis Sound.

RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time!
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Reply #7 posted 01/24/21 11:05am

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Speaking of Cameo the Larry Blackmon produced band Ca$hflow's Mine All Mine was

a direct take off of The Fatback Band's I Found Loving. There are plenty of songs that sound

like others and it didn't just start in the 80's.

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Reply #8 posted 01/24/21 12:01pm

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They knew how to capitalize well. That was the song. Seems strange Prince didn't throw shade at them. Or did he and I missed it?
Time keeps on slipping into the future...


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Reply #9 posted 01/24/21 1:20pm

thebanishedone

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They knew how to capitalize well. That was the song. Seems strange Prince didn't throw shade at them. Or did he and I missed it?

acording to Melvin when he met Prince Prince praised their work

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Reply #10 posted 01/24/21 3:24pm

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I also remember reading a funny story (in "Black Beat") where RFTW went backstage to go meet P for the first time and he ignored them.

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Reply #11 posted 01/24/21 3:27pm

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SPYZFAN1 said:

I also remember reading a funny story (in "Black Beat") where RFTW went backstage to go meet P for the first time and he ignored them.

The Gap Band put out a video about that kind of behavior called Disrespect

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Reply #12 posted 01/24/21 6:42pm

SoulAlive

SPYZFAN1 said:

I also remember reading a funny story (in "Black Beat") where RFTW went backstage to go meet P for the first time and he ignored them.

I read the same thing biggrin

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Reply #13 posted 01/24/21 6:43pm

alphastreet

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I also remember reading a funny story (in "Black Beat") where RFTW went backstage to go meet P for the first time and he ignored them.



That’s hilarious! lol maybe oh Sheila made prince think of his feelings for Sheila e
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Reply #14 posted 01/24/21 6:44pm

SoulAlive

RFTW were a good band.I love their first two albums.They borrowed heavily from Prince,though.My favorite jam by them is "Digital Display" headbang

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Reply #15 posted 01/26/21 5:09am

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When I first heard Ready For The World, it was their lead single to that album which was a slow song called "Tonite". I thought they were a group called Dreamboy which had a song called "Don't Go" two years earlier in 1983. And when I first heard "Don't Go" by Dreamboy, I thought they might have been a new Prince project because the song sounded like The Time's "Oh, Baby".

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When the second single "Oh Sheila" came out, Jesse Johnson's "Be Your Man" had hit the airwaves around that time and the DJ in the skating rink was mixing the two songs. That definitely made me take notice, especially when the next song "Digital Display" came out and I knew it was past time to stop buying just the 45s, I had to get the album then. The Prince sound is what I heard as soon as I heard Ready For The World.

Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #16 posted 01/26/21 7:15am

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They ripped off Prince, get it right.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #17 posted 01/26/21 12:12pm

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No one is not saying that RFTW wasn't a Minneapolis influenced band as they hail from Flint, Michigan

but for the purpose of this thread yes Oh Sheila was a play on Cameo's style. This song has

nothing to do with Prince.

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Reply #18 posted 01/26/21 12:16pm

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vainandy said:

When I first heard Ready For The World, it was their lead single to that album which was a slow song called "Tonite". I thought they were a group called Dreamboy which had a song called "Don't Go" two years earlier in 1983. And when I first heard "Don't Go" by Dreamboy, I thought they might have been a new Prince project because the song sounded like The Time's "Oh, Baby".

.

When the second single "Oh Sheila" came out, Jesse Johnson's "Be Your Man" had hit the airwaves around that time and the DJ in the skating rink was mixing the two songs. That definitely made me take notice, especially when the next song "Digital Display" came out and I knew it was past time to stop buying just the 45s, I had to get the album then. The Prince sound is what I heard as soon as I heard Ready For The World.

Good call on Dreamboy. I had forgotten about them. I remember the first time I heard Tonite I

was a freshman at the University of South Carolina and a guy on the hall was playing it and I asked

him what the fuck is this you're playing. Then later on I started hearing it on quiet storm. I never

liked this song but I do like the guitar solo at the end. I also thought they had a weird name for a band. Later on that spring Oh Sheila came on the scene and I thought it wasn't bad but when I went back and listened to Cameo's Style album I said holdup. This is where they got that keyboard riff

from.

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Reply #19 posted 01/26/21 3:48pm

SoulAlive

I remember Dreamboy.I have their debut album on vinyl.I like the second single,an uptempo jam called “Walk The Streets” headbang
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Reply #20 posted 01/29/21 4:25am

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phunkdaddy said:

No one is not saying that RFTW wasn't a Minneapolis influenced band as they hail from Flint, Michigan

but for the purpose of this thread yes Oh Sheila was a play on Cameo's style. This song has

nothing to do with Prince.

Except that a lot of people thought 'Oh Sheila' was a Prince song when it came out.

RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time!
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Reply #21 posted 01/29/21 11:45am

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vainandy said:

When I first heard Ready For The World, it was their lead single to that album which was a slow song called "Tonite". I thought they were a group called Dreamboy which had a song called "Don't Go" two years earlier in 1983. And when I first heard "Don't Go" by Dreamboy, I thought they might have been a new Prince project because the song sounded like The Time's "Oh, Baby".

.

When the second single "Oh Sheila" came out, Jesse Johnson's "Be Your Man" had hit the airwaves around that time and the DJ in the skating rink was mixing the two songs. That definitely made me take notice, especially when the next song "Digital Display" came out and I knew it was past time to stop buying just the 45s, I had to get the album then. The Prince sound is what I heard as soon as I heard Ready For The World.

I thought the SAME THING about Dreamboy vs. The Time!!! And RFTW is MORE Prnce than Cameo!!! Welcome back, vainandy!!!

cool

[Edited 1/29/21 11:47am]

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Reply #22 posted 01/29/21 1:00pm

SoulAlive

funkaholic1972 said:



phunkdaddy said:


No one is not saying that RFTW wasn't a Minneapolis influenced band as they hail from Flint, Michigan


but for the purpose of this thread yes Oh Sheila was a play on Cameo's style. This song has


nothing to do with Prince.



Except that a lot of people thought 'Oh Sheila' was a Prince song when it came out.



I heard that,when Sheila E. first heard it on the radio,even she thought it was Prince singing about her lol
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Reply #23 posted 01/30/21 5:48am

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SoulAlive said:

funkaholic1972 said:

Except that a lot of people thought 'Oh Sheila' was a Prince song when it came out.

I heard that,when Sheila E. first heard it on the radio,even she thought it was Prince singing about her lol

Yeah, heard about that story as well! lol

RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time!
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Reply #24 posted 02/02/21 4:33pm

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SoulAlive said:

I remember Dreamboy.I have their debut album on vinyl.I like the second single,an uptempo jam called “Walk The Streets” headbang


DreamBoy Music

If I remember correctly, some of Walk The Streets lyrics are, "I walk the streets all night, thinking that you're worth the fight..."

"I walk the streets all night, and I'm tired too.."



I still don't think Dreamboy's music has been released on CD. And last i checked(a while ago), it's not even on any streaming sites.



As far as the OP. Even though i was/am a massive Cameo fan, i never realised(until your post) the Style, Oh Sheila connection. As far as Cameo suing RFTW? They(Cameo) were probably caught up in their own success to be bothered (if they even thought about it at all). Although RFTW was a good band and have some really good songs, in terms of success, Cameo was/is pretty much on a whole different level.


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Reply #25 posted 02/02/21 4:40pm

alphastreet

SoulAlive said:

funkaholic1972 said:



phunkdaddy said:


No one is not saying that RFTW wasn't a Minneapolis influenced band as they hail from Flint, Michigan


but for the purpose of this thread yes Oh Sheila was a play on Cameo's style. This song has


nothing to do with Prince.



Except that a lot of people thought 'Oh Sheila' was a Prince song when it came out.



I heard that,when Sheila E. first heard it on the radio,even she thought it was Prince singing about her lol


I used to think she was the Sheila in the song as well lol
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Reply #26 posted 02/03/21 8:05am

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SoulAlive said:

I remember Dreamboy.I have their debut album on vinyl.I like the second single,an uptempo jam called “Walk The Streets” headbang

My favorite is "Slow Down".

Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #27 posted 02/03/21 8:06am

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woogiebear said:

vainandy said:

When I first heard Ready For The World, it was their lead single to that album which was a slow song called "Tonite". I thought they were a group called Dreamboy which had a song called "Don't Go" two years earlier in 1983. And when I first heard "Don't Go" by Dreamboy, I thought they might have been a new Prince project because the song sounded like The Time's "Oh, Baby".

.

When the second single "Oh Sheila" came out, Jesse Johnson's "Be Your Man" had hit the airwaves around that time and the DJ in the skating rink was mixing the two songs. That definitely made me take notice, especially when the next song "Digital Display" came out and I knew it was past time to stop buying just the 45s, I had to get the album then. The Prince sound is what I heard as soon as I heard Ready For The World.

I thought the SAME THING about Dreamboy vs. The Time!!! And RFTW is MORE Prnce than Cameo!!! Welcome back, vainandy!!!

cool

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Thanks.

Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #28 posted 02/03/21 8:15am

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JoeyC said:

SoulAlive said:

I remember Dreamboy.I have their debut album on vinyl.I like the second single,an uptempo jam called “Walk The Streets” headbang


DreamBoy Music

If I remember correctly, some of Walk The Streets lyrics are, "I walk the streets all night, thinking that you're worth the fight..."

"I walk the streets all night, and I'm tired too.."



I still don't think Dreamboy's music has been released on CD. And last i checked(a while ago), it's not even on any streaming sites.



As far as the OP. Even though i was/am a massive Cameo fan, i never realised(until your post) the Style, Oh Sheila connection. As far as Cameo suing RFTW? They(Cameo) were probably caught up in their own success to be bothered (if they even thought about it at all). Although RFTW was a good band and have some really good songs, in terms of success, Cameo was/is pretty much on a whole different level.


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I've had the "Don't Go" 45 since 1983. In recent years, I got the album at a used record store. When I got it home though and put it on the turntable, I noticed the album is warped in one section and those tracks in the warped section go from fast to slow every time the record turns. lol

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I'm forever using a youtube to mp3 converter to download songs though. evillol The sound quality on almost every single one of those Dreamboy songs on youtube is absolutely horrible no matter who posted the videos. They all sound muffled like an old worn out cassette tape. There are very few with crystal clear sound.

Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #29 posted 02/03/21 2:48pm

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They always sounded like prince imitators to me


Exactly!
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