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Thread started 01/20/21 12:35pm

JayCrawford

Michael Jackson and This Is It period (2009)

If Michael Jackson didn't die in 2009, do you think he would have actually done 50 shows from 2009 - 2010?

Also is it true that he was planning to retire from music after this?
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Reply #1 posted 01/20/21 12:37pm

alphastreet

I don’t know if he could have pulled off all the dates, but I had tickets for two dates and was considering adding a third. I think he would have done one more album and retired, cause he was briefly working with different producers in 2006/07 though it resulted in thriller 25
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Reply #2 posted 01/21/21 6:44am

RODSERLING

There was no way he could endure the 50 dates, since he couldn't handle only one, and died trying.
In 2001, he was originally supposed to do 3 Madison Square Garden in 5 nights but gave up to two.
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Reply #3 posted 01/21/21 8:27am

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Jay has too much time on his hands.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #4 posted 01/21/21 8:41am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Jay has too much time on his hands.

That's for sure. Spamming the boards with pointless questions.

The answer though is YES!! It was the doctor that killed him, not doing the show.

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Reply #5 posted 01/21/21 12:53pm

TrivialPursuit

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PatrickS77 said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Jay has too much time on his hands.

That's for sure. Spamming the boards with pointless questions.


"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #6 posted 01/21/21 2:07pm

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He couldn't have pulled it off. He would have fallen apart a couple of shows into it. The man needed to be anesthetized to get some sleep. He suffered from chronic back pain and remember that This is it footage was put together from the few rehearsals the man attended. If he wasn't healthy enough to rehearse, how could he have pulled off all those shows? The rehearsals seem to tell a different story, but only God knows what kind of juice was keeping him going.
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Reply #7 posted 01/21/21 2:32pm

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wilmer said:

He couldn't have pulled it off. He would have fallen apart a couple of shows into it. The man needed to be anesthetized to get some sleep. He suffered from chronic back pain and remember that This is it footage was put together from the few rehearsals the man attended. If he wasn't healthy enough to rehearse, how could he have pulled off all those shows? The rehearsals seem to tell a different story, but only God knows what kind of juice was keeping him going. [Edited 1/21/21 14:09pm]

BS. No way for you to know. He didn't die from exhaustion. Autopsy stated he was fairly healthy for a man of his age. And that's the only story that counts.

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Reply #8 posted 01/21/21 3:39pm

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PatrickS77 said:



wilmer said:


He couldn't have pulled it off. He would have fallen apart a couple of shows into it. The man needed to be anesthetized to get some sleep. He suffered from chronic back pain and remember that This is it footage was put together from the few rehearsals the man attended. If he wasn't healthy enough to rehearse, how could he have pulled off all those shows? The rehearsals seem to tell a different story, but only God knows what kind of juice was keeping him going. [Edited 1/21/21 14:09pm]


BS. No way for you to know. He didn't die from exhaustion. Autopsy stated he was fairly healthy for a man of his age. And that's the only story that counts.



BS? What part? That he needed to be anesthetized? That he suffered from chronic back pain? Now where does he's a fairly healthy guy equate he's gonna be able to pull off 50 shows? Fairly healthy sounds like a grey area. Donald Trump was a healthy guy.
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Reply #9 posted 01/21/21 3:53pm

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wilmer said:

PatrickS77 said:

BS. No way for you to know. He didn't die from exhaustion. Autopsy stated he was fairly healthy for a man of his age. And that's the only story that counts.

BS? What part? That he needed to be anesthetized? That he suffered from chronic back pain? Now where does he's a fairly healthy guy equate he's gonna be able to pull off 50 shows? Fairly healthy sounds like a grey area. Donald Trump was a healthy guy.

The part where you say that he couldn't have pulled it off, that he would have fallen apart and that he wasn't healthy enough to do rehearsals. He clearly did rehearsals, we saw the footage. He used Propofol also during the HIStory tour and did twice as much shows. Also it's not 50 shows in a row. It would have been 27 in a 2 1/2 month period, then a 3 month break and another 23 in almost 2 1/2 months. All stationary, without travelling. That's hardly grueling.

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Reply #10 posted 01/22/21 1:47pm

JayCrawford

PatrickS77 said:



2freaky4church1 said:


Jay has too much time on his hands.




That's for sure. Spamming the boards with pointless questions.


The answer though is YES!! It was the doctor that killed him, not doing the show.




And how is it a pointless question and during that period in 2009 there was a lot of discussions if he would be able to perform? We're talking about a man who went through hell in the last 2 decades of his career and was 50 years old at that point and was an addict.

No more stupid posts please kid.
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Reply #11 posted 01/22/21 1:48pm

JayCrawford

TrivialPursuit said:



PatrickS77 said:




2freaky4church1 said:


Jay has too much time on his hands.




That's for sure. Spamming the boards with pointless questions.








Yet you're still here. What a joke.
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Reply #12 posted 01/22/21 2:00pm

JayCrawford

wilmer said:

PatrickS77 said:



wilmer said:


He couldn't have pulled it off. He would have fallen apart a couple of shows into it. The man needed to be anesthetized to get some sleep. He suffered from chronic back pain and remember that This is it footage was put together from the few rehearsals the man attended. If he wasn't healthy enough to rehearse, how could he have pulled off all those shows? The rehearsals seem to tell a different story, but only God knows what kind of juice was keeping him going. [Edited 1/21/21 14:09pm]


BS. No way for you to know. He didn't die from exhaustion. Autopsy stated he was fairly healthy for a man of his age. And that's the only story that counts.



BS? What part? That he needed to be anesthetized? That he suffered from chronic back pain? Now where does he's a fairly healthy guy equate he's gonna be able to pull off 50 shows? Fairly healthy sounds like a grey area. Donald Trump was a healthy guy.



You're debating with an obsessed Michael fan. Just look at his picture and walk away.

[Snip - luv4u]
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Reply #13 posted 01/22/21 3:29pm

TrivialPursuit

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JayCrawford said:

TrivialPursuit said:


Yet you're still here. What a joke.


Sis, you just got here. The rest of us have been here and are part of this board over the years. You're barely in the lobby. Have a seat girl, and take the note.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #14 posted 01/22/21 3:34pm

JayCrawford

TrivialPursuit said:



JayCrawford said:


TrivialPursuit said:





Yet you're still here. What a joke.


Sis, you just got here. The rest of us have been here and are part of this board over the years. You're barely in the lobby. Have a seat girl, and take the note.




That doesn't matter to me. You're always in everyone's threads having a fit.

Instead of crying about other threads. Do your own thread. Simple as that.
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Reply #15 posted 01/22/21 4:19pm

wilmer

JayCrawford said:

wilmer said:



BS? What part? That he needed to be anesthetized? That he suffered from chronic back pain? Now where does he's a fairly healthy guy equate he's gonna be able to pull off 50 shows? Fairly healthy sounds like a grey area. Donald Trump was a healthy guy.



You're debating with an obsessed Michael fan. Just look at his picture and walk away.

[Snip - luv4u]


I happen to be an MJ fan but I'm not mental. I know what you mean though. I've been bitten by MJ crazies for voicing unpopular opinions on MJ boards. I took the blinders off a long time ago. We can have different opinions but there's no need to get all bent out of shape.
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Reply #16 posted 01/22/21 4:35pm

alphastreet

wilmer said:

JayCrawford said:




You're debating with an obsessed Michael fan. Just look at his picture and walk away.

[Snip - luv4u]


I happen to be an MJ fan but I'm not mental. I know what you mean though. I've been bitten by MJ crazies for voicing unpopular opinions on MJ boards. I took the blinders off a long time ago. We can have different opinions but there's no need to get all bent out of shape.


Exactly. I think some of us are pretty level headed but get overshadowed by the stans
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Reply #17 posted 01/22/21 6:59pm

JayCrawford

alphastreet said:

wilmer said:



I happen to be an MJ fan but I'm not mental. I know what you mean though. I've been bitten by MJ crazies for voicing unpopular opinions on MJ boards. I took the blinders off a long time ago. We can have different opinions but there's no need to get all bent out of shape.


Exactly. I think some of us are pretty level headed but get overshadowed by the stans


I know you and the other guy are fine but from my experience. Madonna, Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson, Elvis fans (yes I say this as a die hard also), 2 PAC and Beyonce fans are terrible 🤣
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Reply #18 posted 01/22/21 7:03pm

alphastreet

JayCrawford said:

alphastreet said:



Exactly. I think some of us are pretty level headed but get overshadowed by the stans


I know you and the other guy are fine but from my experience. Madonna, Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson, Elvis fans (yes I say this as a die hard also), 2 PAC and Beyonce fans are terrible 🤣


Based on what, online interactions? I had friends who were mj fans outside the internet and they have their shit together
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Reply #19 posted 01/22/21 8:03pm

JayCrawford

alphastreet said:

JayCrawford said:



I know you and the other guy are fine but from my experience. Madonna, Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson, Elvis fans (yes I say this as a die hard also), 2 PAC and Beyonce fans are terrible 🤣


Based on what, online interactions? I had friends who were mj fans outside the internet and they have their shit together


Online and offline
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Reply #20 posted 01/23/21 6:52am

PatrickS77

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JayCrawford said:

PatrickS77 said:



2freaky4church1 said:


Jay has too much time on his hands.




That's for sure. Spamming the boards with pointless questions.


The answer though is YES!! It was the doctor that killed him, not doing the show.




And how is it a pointless question and during that period in 2009 there was a lot of discussions if he would be able to perform? We're talking about a man who went through hell in the last 2 decades of his career and was 50 years old at that point and was an addict.

No more stupid posts please kid.


It's pointless because no one knows, It's created to cause arguments. And no one around here is more stupid than you, so heed your own advise.
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Reply #21 posted 01/23/21 9:15am

JayCrawford

PatrickS77 said:

JayCrawford said:




And how is it a pointless question and during that period in 2009 there was a lot of discussions if he would be able to perform? We're talking about a man who went through hell in the last 2 decades of his career and was 50 years old at that point and was an addict.

No more stupid posts please kid.


It's pointless because no one knows, It's created to cause arguments. And no one around here is more stupid than you, so heed your own advise.



This wasn't created to cause arguments... You just decided to argue with a couple of org members about your precious idol in this thread (as usual since you're not capable of having a good discussion). But that's a typical obsessed Michael fan for you. Having a breakdown over their idol.

Also if you remember there were actually discussions during that SPECIFIC time frame in 09 regarding about Michael Jackson and how he would manage since he was a washed up 50 year old in 09. Is called a "what if."

So no if anything you've proved to be the stupid one and starting arguments with other people in this thread was your fault and has only proved my point.

What an idiot 🤣🤦‍♂️

Nice try there.
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Reply #22 posted 01/23/21 9:34am

PatrickS77

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JayCrawford said:

PatrickS77 said:
It's pointless because no one knows, It's created to cause arguments. And no one around here is more stupid than you, so heed your own advise.
This wasn't created to cause arguments... You just decided to argue with a couple of org members about your precious idol in this thread (as usual since you're not capable of having a good discussion). But that's a typical obsessed Michael fan for you. Having a breakdown over their idol. Also if you remember there were actually discussions during that SPECIFIC time frame in 09 regarding about Michael Jackson and how he would manage since he was a washed up 50 year old in 09. Is called a "what if." So no if anything you've proved to be the stupid one and starting arguments with other people in this thread was your fault and has only proved my point. What an idiot 🤣🤦‍♂️ Nice try there.

No. It is exactly created to cause arguments (as most of your pathetic threads are), as you've clearly made up your mind and anyone not agreeing with you (which is the only way you consider it a good discussion, people agreeing with you) is in your opinion either obsessed, having a breakdown, deluded, mental and not having their shit together, whatever. And then comes your only argument which is "I'm old, I know better than anyone else", which clearly shows you to be the stupid idiot. And who cares about what ifs? It didn't happen. His doctor killed him.

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Reply #23 posted 01/23/21 9:39am

JayCrawford

PatrickS77 said:



JayCrawford said:


PatrickS77 said:
It's pointless because no one knows, It's created to cause arguments. And no one around here is more stupid than you, so heed your own advise.

This wasn't created to cause arguments... You just decided to argue with a couple of org members about your precious idol in this thread (as usual since you're not capable of having a good discussion). But that's a typical obsessed Michael fan for you. Having a breakdown over their idol. Also if you remember there were actually discussions during that SPECIFIC time frame in 09 regarding about Michael Jackson and how he would manage since he was a washed up 50 year old in 09. Is called a "what if." So no if anything you've proved to be the stupid one and starting arguments with other people in this thread was your fault and has only proved my point. What an idiot 🤣🤦‍♂️ Nice try there.


No. It is exactly created to cause arguments (as most of your pathetic threads are), as you've clearly made up your mind and anyone not agreeing with you (which is the only way you consider it a good discussion, people agreeing with you) is in your opinion either obsessed, having a breakdown, deluded, mental and not having their shit together, whatever. And then comes your only argument which is "I'm old, I know better than anyone else", which clearly shows you to be the stupid idiot. And who cares about what ifs? It didn't happen. His doctor killed him.




Blah blah blah blah pointless bitching and claiming "it was created to cause an argument" yet you started that all by yourself and now you can't own up to it. What a joke. What ifs brings out interesting discussions but I almost forgot you're not the brightest one.

Anymore crying you want to do? 🤣🥱.

Pathetic.
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Reply #24 posted 01/23/21 5:03pm

Free2BMe

It’s amazing how ignorant people can be when it comes to Michael. The bottomline is that Michael SOLD OUT FIFTY CONCERTS IN ONE CITY. No one has or had ever done that. Let’s not forget that this was a man who had no new album or project to promote. This was a man who had been falsely accused and trashed in the media on a daily basis. This had nothing to do with fans pointing these things out, these are the FACTS and pathetic and hypocritical people want to get pissy about that. This shit about “what if” is not relevant, Michael was killed by his doctor. It’s not as if he just decided not to do the shows.

As has been pointed out, these 50 shows were NOT going to be done BACK TO BACK. There was a schedule that allowed MJ to have significant breaks. The answer is YES, I think Michael could have done the 50 shows and that’s that.That is MY OPINION.

Btw, to the person who started this thread, your age doesn’t mean shit and it does not give you any more knowledge than anyone else. You would be surprised at how old some MJ fans are. Therefore, stop with the “age” bull crap. Your “age” doesn’t give you a monopoly on knowledge, because you are sorely lacking in that regard.
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Reply #25 posted 01/23/21 6:15pm

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Free2BMe said:

It’s amazing how ignorant people can be when it comes to Michael. The bottomline is that Michael SOLD OUT FIFTY CONCERTS IN ONE CITY. No one has or had ever done that. Let’s not forget that this was a man who had no new album or project to promote. This was a man who had been falsely accused and trashed in the media on a daily basis. This had nothing to do with fans pointing these things out, these are the FACTS and pathetic and hypocritical people want to get pissy about that.


That's the answer right there.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #26 posted 01/24/21 1:11am

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I think so, just watch This is it and you see him moving and singing, maybe not 50 shows all at once, but over time.

I reckon he would have done at least 25 or 30. The goal after all was to top Prince's 21. I may be wrong, but on This is it - it is obvious he is getting into it!

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Reply #27 posted 01/31/21 4:07am

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wilmer said:

PatrickS77 said:



wilmer said:


He couldn't have pulled it off. He would have fallen apart a couple of shows into it. The man needed to be anesthetized to get some sleep. He suffered from chronic back pain and remember that This is it footage was put together from the few rehearsals the man attended. If he wasn't healthy enough to rehearse, how could he have pulled off all those shows? The rehearsals seem to tell a different story, but only God knows what kind of juice was keeping him going. [Edited 1/21/21 14:09pm]


BS. No way for you to know. He didn't die from exhaustion. Autopsy stated he was fairly healthy for a man of his age. And that's the only story that counts.



BS? What part? That he needed to be anesthetized? That he suffered from chronic back pain? Now where does he's a fairly healthy guy equate he's gonna be able to pull off 50 shows? Fairly healthy sounds like a grey area. Donald Trump was a healthy guy.


As mentioned, the autopsy said he was healthy. He obviously didn’t go to actual sleep specialists because he had an addiction issue and shopped for a drug dealer rather than a true doctor, who ended up killing him. But that doesn’t mean he couldn’t have done the shows. Also, he didn’t need to attend every rehearsal. These were his songs. New people needed to learn group routines. MJ was the star and he was not going to partake in all the dance routines, as he’d be able to freestyle it on stage while the others needed to know far more choreographed parts.

I’m not sure why you mentioned fat-fuck Donald Trump, but any autopsy of him would mention his morbid obesity.
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Reply #28 posted 01/31/21 7:57am

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PatrickS77 said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Jay has too much time on his hands.

That's for sure. Spamming the boards with pointless questions.

The answer though is YES!! It was the doctor that killed him, not doing the show.

There's no way in hell MJ could've pulled off the 50 shows. It's not solely Murray's fault either. MJ had a history with battling addiction before, he demanded the propofol. He was addicted and if it wasn't murray, it would've been another doctor. Murray was just stupid enough to do it.

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Reply #29 posted 01/31/21 9:50am

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ThatWhiteDude said:

PatrickS77 said:

That's for sure. Spamming the boards with pointless questions.

The answer though is YES!! It was the doctor that killed him, not doing the show.

There's no way in hell MJ could've pulled off the 50 shows. It's not solely Murray's fault either. MJ had a history with battling addiction before, he demanded the propofol. He was addicted and if it wasn't murray, it would've been another doctor. Murray was just stupid enough to do it.

Yes. There is. Also he used Propofol during the HIStory tour, but had a doctor who didn't kill him doing so. So whether he demand it, is beside the point. The doctor gave it to him in a way that killed him, unlike the one he had druing the HIStory tour. And whether he was addicted also is not proven.

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