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What are some bands/artists that crossed over WITHOUT sacrificing their roots?

What are some artists/groups that made great impressions on the pop charts without making their music too accessible if not outright changing their sound?

The first one that comes to mind for me are the Ohio Players. I find it bemusing (in a good way) that they managed to land not one but two pure funk jams at the #1 spot. Even back in the 70s when black music was tearing up the Top 40, their success still feels like an anomaly.
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Reply #1 posted 04/08/20 1:48pm

slyjackson

Sly and The Family Stone perhaps.

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slyjackson said:

Sly and The Family Stone perhaps.

Another great example.
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Reply #3 posted 04/08/20 3:13pm

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MotownSubdivision said:

slyjackson said:

Sly and The Family Stone perhaps.

Another great example.

Really, but where do you think they crossed over, with Stand I guess?

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Reply #4 posted 04/09/20 1:21am

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As great as the Ohio Players were it's amazing that their chart run only last

4 years. After their 1977 Angel album things just started to go downhill for them.

They had some good songs here and there afterwards but nothing compararble from Skin Tight up until Angel. Tough question to answer but OP and Sly are probably the 2 bands that

come immediately to mind.

Don't laugh at my funk
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Reply #5 posted 04/09/20 3:53am

RJOrion

Earth Wind & Fire
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Reply #6 posted 04/09/20 3:54am

RJOrion

slyjackson said:



MotownSubdivision said:


slyjackson said:

Sly and The Family Stone perhaps.



Another great example.

Really, but where do you think they crossed over, with Stand I guess?




"Everyday People" crossed over big time.
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Reply #7 posted 04/09/20 6:51am

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From the 70's, I'd have to give it to The Commodores...And even though it was for a brief time, Rick James.

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Reply #8 posted 04/09/20 6:57am

SPYZFAN1

...I almost forgot, The Bee Gees. They're one of the few groups that I can remember hearing on both pop and R&B radio from 1977 to 1980.

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Reply #9 posted 04/09/20 1:58pm

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slyjackson said:



MotownSubdivision said:


slyjackson said:

Sly and The Family Stone perhaps.



Another great example.

Really, but where do you think they crossed over, with Stand I guess?

Was gonna say with "Hot Fun in the Summertime" but that came after Stand!.

I honestly don't know much S&TFS other than a handful of songs and his influence on Prince. But I got a vague inkling of just how big Sly and his entourage were in their short prime.
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RJOrion said:

Earth Wind & Fire
The first ever black band to sell out MSG?

Fasho.
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Reply #11 posted 04/09/20 2:56pm

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MotownSubdivision said:

slyjackson said:

Really, but where do you think they crossed over, with Stand I guess?

Was gonna say with "Hot Fun in the Summertime" but that came after Stand!. I honestly don't know much S&TFS other than a handful of songs and his influence on Prince. But I got a vague inkling of just how big Sly and his entourage were in their short prime.

You should dig into their music, is just great, they are pioneers, Sly Stone is a visionary artist.

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Reply #12 posted 04/11/20 6:24am

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SPYZFAN1 said:

From the 70's, I'd have to give it to The Commodores...And even though it was for a brief time, Rick James.

Man... the 70s was an amazing decade for black artists.
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Reply #13 posted 04/11/20 7:32am

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MotownSubdivision said:

RJOrion said:

Earth Wind & Fire
The first ever black band to sell out MSG?

Fasho.



i went to the 1977 "All N All" show at MSG, and i was surprised to see that of the over 19,000 people there, at least one third of the crowd was white
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Reply #14 posted 04/11/20 10:12am

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Fats Domino

Bessie Smith

The Temptations (they didn't have much crossover after the early 1970s though)

The O'Jays (1970s)

late 1960s Aretha Franklin (after her earlier Columbia Records stuff that was made more for the middle of the road Johnny Mathis/Dean Martin audience, didn't do that well)

James Brown

War (they might have been helped by starting out being the backing band for Eric Burdon from The Animals.)
Run DMC

Salt N Pepa

Bobby Brown (Don't Be Cruel sold more than Michael Jackson's Bad at the time in the USA, but Bad passed it up later because it kept selling in the decades after)

Bell Biv DeVoe

Sade

TLC
Snoop Doggy Dogg
Bone Thugs N Harmony

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #15 posted 04/13/20 1:35am

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RJOrion said:

MotownSubdivision said:

The first ever black band to sell out MSG?

Fasho.



i went to the 1977 "All N All" show at MSG, and i was surprised to see that of the over 19,000 people there, at least one third of the crowd was white


I saw them 5 years ago and nearly half the crowd was white. EWF,Commodores,and
JT Taylor era Kool & The Gang attracted white audiences.
Don't laugh at my funk
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The guy after whom this website was named?
The guy who inspired the first part of my username?
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Reply #17 posted 04/13/20 1:55am

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MotownSubdivision said:

slyjackson said:



MotownSubdivision said:


slyjackson said:

Sly and The Family Stone perhaps.



Another great example.

Really, but where do you think they crossed over, with Stand I guess?

Was gonna say with "Hot Fun in the Summertime" but that came after Stand!.

I honestly don't know much S&TFS other than a handful of songs and his influence on Prince. But I got a vague inkling of just how big Sly and his entourage were in their short prime.

Start by watching the Woodstock film. If that's not a crossover, I don't know what is.
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Reply #18 posted 04/13/20 11:22am

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phunkdaddy said:

As great as the Ohio Players were it's amazing that their chart run only last


4 years. After their 1977 Angel album things just started to go downhill for them.


They had some good songs here and there afterwards but nothing compararble from Skin Tight up until Angel. Tough question to answer but OP and Sly are probably the 2 bands that


come immediately to mind.

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Reply #19 posted 04/13/20 11:23am

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phunkdaddy said:

As great as the Ohio Players were it's amazing that their chart run only last


4 years. After their 1977 Angel album things just started to go downhill for them.


They had some good songs here and there afterwards but nothing compararble from Skin Tight up until Angel. Tough question to answer but OP and Sly are probably the 2 bands that


come immediately to mind.


D’Angelo
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Reply #20 posted 04/13/20 12:22pm

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slyjackson said:

MotownSubdivision said:

slyjackson said: Was gonna say with "Hot Fun in the Summertime" but that came after Stand!. I honestly don't know much S&TFS other than a handful of songs and his influence on Prince. But I got a vague inkling of just how big Sly and his entourage were in their short prime.

You should dig into their music, is just great, they are pioneers, Sly Stone is a visionary artist.

Back in the early '70s when I was a kid, Sly and the Family Stone were huge... You couldn't go anywhere without hearing their music blasting from radios, car speakers, and even the garage band playing their songs next door...

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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Reply #21 posted 04/13/20 8:51pm

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purplethunder3121 said:

slyjackson said:

You should dig into their music, is just great, they are pioneers, Sly Stone is a visionary artist.

Back in the early '70s when I was a kid, Sly and the Family Stone were huge... You couldn't go anywhere without hearing their music blasting from radios, car speakers, and even the garage band playing their songs next door...

As it should, their music is great, Sly is really a genius, up to High On You his music to me is everything. I'm so glad I found him.

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MotownSubdivision said:

slyjackson said:

Really, but where do you think they crossed over, with Stand I guess?

Was gonna say with "Hot Fun in the Summertime" but that came after Stand!. I honestly don't know much S&TFS other than a handful of songs and his influence on Prince. But I got a vague inkling of just how big Sly and his entourage were in their short prime.

Listen to Fresh. Turn if off if you're not completely hooked by track 2.

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Reply #23 posted 04/14/20 4:03am

slyjackson

WhisperingDandelions said:

MotownSubdivision said:

slyjackson said: Was gonna say with "Hot Fun in the Summertime" but that came after Stand!. I honestly don't know much S&TFS other than a handful of songs and his influence on Prince. But I got a vague inkling of just how big Sly and his entourage were in their short prime.

Listen to Fresh. Turn if off if you're not completely hooked by track 2.

I wouldn't be that quick to turn it off as you say, it took me some time to get into the album, or their whole music for that matter.

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Reply #24 posted 04/14/20 7:12am

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WhisperingDandelions said:



MotownSubdivision said:


slyjackson said:


Really, but where do you think they crossed over, with Stand I guess?



Was gonna say with "Hot Fun in the Summertime" but that came after Stand!. I honestly don't know much S&TFS other than a handful of songs and his influence on Prince. But I got a vague inkling of just how big Sly and his entourage were in their short prime.

Listen to Fresh. Turn if off if you're not completely hooked by track 2.


Is that why it's called I You Want Me to Stay?
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Reply #25 posted 04/14/20 8:33am

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SantanaMaitreya said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

Listen to Fresh. Turn if off if you're not completely hooked by track 2.

Is that why it's called I You Want Me to Stay?

Yes.

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Reply #26 posted 04/14/20 9:54am

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I wasn't around but it stands to reason that if someone can get to number 1 with an album as uncommercial as There's a Riot Goin' On back at a time when you needed radio play to have hits then they have crossed over.

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Reply #27 posted 04/14/20 11:16pm

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jaawwnn said:

I wasn't around but it stands to reason that if someone can get to number 1 with an album as uncommercial as There's a Riot Goin' On back at a time when you needed radio play to have hits then they have crossed over.

And number one hit with such a non comercial song like Family Affair.

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Reply #28 posted 04/15/20 1:24am

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Bob Marley

Nine Inch Nails

Michael Buble

The Offspring

The Prodigy

music I'm afraid of Americans. I'm afraid of the world. music
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Reply #29 posted 04/15/20 1:47am

slyjackson

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Bob Marley

Nine Inch Nails

Michael Buble

The Offspring

The Prodigy

Bob Marley did sacrifice a little bit of his sound with Exodus and afterwards.

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