PeggyO said:

MickyDolenz said:

It never meant anything. The Hall is just a museum started by Rolling Stone magazine. So is mostly who the founders and/or writers of RS pick, which is in general boomer era acts like Paul Butterfield Blues Band. There is no particular criteria other than being eligible 25 years after an acts 1st album. Jann Wenner himself was inducted, but no one from competing rock mags like Creem or Hit Parader has been nominated. So that should tell you what it's about. Pock n roll was originally about rebellion and being put into a museum is not that. Also it seems to me at least some of the inductees chosen each year seem to have to be popular enough to get viewers to watch the HBO broadcast. There tends to be at least one band with feuding members and so people want to see who shows up or not.

Prince was inducted the first year he was eligible, as I recall. That really is something. I think even he was surprised.

Yes, Prince was inducted the first year of his eligibilty. That's because he had a rare talent, unlike so many others they let in for really no reason other than they had some hits.

Slightly off-topic: I found it touching that Elton John located a musician he greatly admired, (as do I), Leon Russell, and generally resurrected him and helped usher him into the RRHOF.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

CoolMF said:

Sorry, but I'm down with Biggie for the Hip Hop Hall of Fame, not Rock and Roll. Otherwise, I'm down with Whitney, Pat B., Doobies, and Rufus.

You knkw there are other Hip-Hop artist as well as Jazz, Soul, Country, etc artist in the Rock & Roll Hall.

Yeah, I know and I don't have a problem with Run DMC in there (fusing rock with hip hop and taking hip hop to the mainstream via MTV) or Public Enemy (taking sampling, including rock and roll samples, and social consciousness to a new level in a way that influenced 90s music) being in there because I feel that their music influenced rock and roll and other genres outside of hip hop. Regarding the Beastie Boys, I'm indifferent and I don't feel that NWA contributed anything to rock and roll except for mainstreaming curse words. As for Tupac, the influence of his rebel music/image is still evident today in music of all genres so I have no problem with his induction.

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That said, I have a hard time identifying any way that Biggie influenced music outside of hip hop. I have no doubt that he'll get in for next year but I still wish that there could be a hip hop HOF with all of the prestige and celebration as the rock and roll HOF.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

MickyDolenz said:

I think LL Cool J or Eric B & Rakim should get in before Biggie Smalls. LL was nominated last year but didn't make it. If they're going for the 1990s, then OutKast.

2Pac anf Biggie are the biggest names in Hip-Hop when Hip-Hop was at it's peak. They will be the firat two solo acts inducted. LL will get in, as will Nas, Jay-Z and OutKast. Salt n Pepa, Wu Tang and Tribe are also possible. Maybe Snoop. I don't see anyone else getting in in the Hip-Hop feom the Golden Age of Hip-Hop.

I'd say that's about right. De La Soul is certainly deserving on the merits, but they're a long shot

CoolMF said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

CoolMF said: You knkw there are other Hip-Hop artist as well as Jazz, Soul, Country, etc artist in the Rock & Roll Hall.

Yeah, I know and I don't have a problem with Run DMC in there (fusing rock with hip hop and taking hip hop to the mainstream via MTV) or Public Enemy (taking sampling, including rock and roll samples, and social consciousness to a new level in a way that influenced 90s music) being in there because I feel that their music influenced rock and roll and other genres outside of hip hop. Regarding the Beastie Boys, I'm indifferent and I don't feel that NWA contributed anything to rock and roll except for mainstreaming curse words. As for Tupac, the influence of his rebel music/image is still evident today in music of all genres so I have no problem with his induction.

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That said, I have a hard time identifying any way that Biggie influenced music outside of hip hop. I have no doubt that he'll get in for next year but I still wish that there could be a hip hop HOF with all of the prestige and celebration as the rock and roll HOF.

Once again, it depends on how you define rock and roll, which was once known as "race music"

This isn't just a "Rock" hall. If it were I think you'd have a stronger argument. The reality is the "Rock" you're talking about is only a segment of rock and roll as a whole. You can't argue the merits of any rock and roll artist on solely "Rock" criteria.

And unlike a lot of Halls of Fame, this one strongly (and IMO rightly) emphasizes fame. That's how so many acts that were panned by critics punch their ticket in. And that's what causes so many great acts to get snubbed or to be forced to wait.

Some roll more than rock, some rock more than roll. But if they were pioneers, big stars, creative innovators, or all of the above, they all have a place.

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With women being severely under-represented in the RRHOF and the committee's recent embracing of Hip-Hop, I wonder why there have been no female nominees from the Hip-Hop genre? Queen Latifah, Salt & Pepa, MC Lyte?

MC Lyte deserves the spot, especially as she continues to be active in the industry.

Where are the freaking Go-Go's?

is there a page where we can start voting?

RobotFix said:

10/15/2019

The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame has announced its nominees for the class of 2020. See the full list above.

Artists who became Rock Hall eligible for the first time this year but weren’t nominated include Oasis, Weezer, Aaliyah, Daft Punk, Elliott Smith, Sleater-Kinney, and Wilco. An artist becomes eligible 25 years after their first commercial record was released.

https://twitter.com/rockhall

newsflash...it most likely be the first 5 listed....

still no GRAND FUNK or Blue Oyster Cult

SoulAlive said:

is there a page where we can start voting?

https://www.rockhall.com/

Click where it says Welcome Nominees THE CLASS OF 2020 IS HERE, then it takes u to a special Google page where all the list of nominees are!!

SoulAlive said:

Pat Benatar,The Doobie Brothers,Rufus and Chaka Khan,Todd Rundgren are the ones that I'm rooting for.

I agree, and finally Pat Benatar gets a nod. I would add Thin Lizzy as my fifth.

kitbradley said:

SoulAlive said:

I totally agree.

But Nippy probably will because she was a huge crossover Pop singer.

Houston was not a cross over artist ! She was pop from the get go and marketed by Clive Davis (Artisa Records) as such. Also her success was bought and paid for by Arista Records. There was nothing organic about her career. The hall of fame is about musical contribution.

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PurpleSpirit319 said:

SoulAlive said:

is there a page where we can start voting?

https://www.rockhall.com/

Click where it says Welcome Nominees THE CLASS OF 2020 IS HERE, then it takes u to a special Google page where all the list of nominees are!!

thank you

Tontoman22 said:

kitbradley said:

SoulAlive said: But Nippy probably will because she was a huge crossover Pop singer.

Houston was not a cross over artist ! She was pop from the get go and marketed by Clive Davis (Artisa Records) as such. Also her success was bought and paid for by Arista Records. There was nothing organic about her career. The hall of fame is about musical contribution.

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Strongly agree about Whitney being a pop artist from jump. Her first album did have a more R&B feel, but it was clear she was being groomed for a mainstream career from day one.

Disagree a little about the Hall being solely about musical contributions. The fame element is more important to the RRHOF than many other Halls of Fame. Some artists' contributions are mainly selling a lot of records and winning over fans of all kinds.

Even if I accept the premise that Whitney was not "organic" (and I don't because her talent was natural and extraordinary), she's one of the biggest small-r rock and roll acts of her time and I'd be okay if she were voted in.

namepeace said:

Tontoman22 said:

kitbradley said:

SoulAlive said: But Nippy probably will because she was a huge crossover Pop singer.

Houston was not a cross over artist ! She was pop from the get go and marketed by Clive Davis (Artisa Records) as such.

I have to disagree. "You Give Good Love", the first single from her debut, was strongly marketed towards the R&B audience. It topped that chart but stalled at #3 on the Pop side. Subsequent singles were more targeted towards Pop audiences. In the 80's, it was important for most black artists to solidify their R&B audience first. Despite her fighting it, even Tina Turner was told "Private Dancer" must include R&B songs to be a success in the United States.

As far as Nippy, all of the singles after YGGL went to #1 on the Pop side. Many of those same songs went to number one on the R&B side also but were obviously more Pop-oriented. Most Pop music fans don't even remember "You Give Good Love". If you ask most people outside of the black community what was Nippy's first hit, they would probably say "Saving All My Love For You". "You Give Good Love" is considered a classic in the R&B genre and remains one of the few songs that still gets spins on old-school R&B radio stations. I haven't heard the song on any Pop stations in decades.

Makes sure that you guys are voting everyday.Here are the current results:

https://vote.rockhall.com/results/

Top 5:

Pat Benatar

The Doobie Brothers

Soundgarden

Dave Mathews Band

Judas Priest

LittleBLUECorvette said:

If it's more about fame, then why isn't Kool & the Gang in or even nominated? Probably the most popular black band between 80-85 save the Jacksons.

Lionel Richie was bigger than Kool & The Gang and he's not in. I don't think they just put in people who happened to be popular or else Barry Manilow, Grand Funk Railroad, Eurythmics, George Benson, Kenny G, Bread, Kenny Rogers, Vanilla Fudge, The Osmonds/Donny & Marie, The Carpenters, Billy Ocean, Foreigner, John Denver, Mötley Crüe, Phil Collins, etc would have been inducted. But Percy Sledge is inducted and he's mostly known for 1 song although he had a few other hits. Herb Alpert is inducted, but not as a performer. He's in because he started A&M Records with Jerry Moss.

for Pat Benatar but why no Kate Bush on da list?

LittleBLUECorvette said:

namepeace said:

Strongly agree about Whitney being a pop artist from jump. Her first album did have a more R&B feel, but it was clear she was being groomed for a mainstream career from day one.

Disagree a little about the Hall being solely about musical contributions. The fame element is more important to the RRHOF than many other Halls of Fame. Some artists' contributions are mainly selling a lot of records and winning over fans of all kinds.

Even if I accept the premise that Whitney was not "organic" (and I don't because her talent was natural and extraordinary), she's one of the biggest small-r rock and roll acts of her time and I'd be okay if she were voted in.

If it's more about fame, then why isn't Kool & the Gang in or even nominated? Probably the most popular black band between 80-85 save the Jacksons.

It seems that historically it takes black bands longer to get Hall recognition. Particularly black bands that were popular in the 80's, because the shadows of Michael Jackson and Prince as solo artists hang over that decade.

current standings (fan votes):

https://vote.rockhall.com/results

I'm really disappointed to see that Rufus and Chaka Khan are near the bottom (just like last year)

The Doobie Bros over Todd Rundgren...?? I cannot take this seriously.

I think fan votes should be augmented with feedback from talented musicians, trusted and knowledgeable music critics etc. I have lost interest.

Kraftwerk pretty much invented electronic music ... how in the world are they not already in there?!!

PeggyO said:

PeggyO said:

Slightly off-topic: I found it touching that Elton John located a musician he greatly admired, (as do I), Leon Russell, and generally resurrected him and helped usher him into the RRHOF.

Loved this too!

MickyDolenz said:

Empress said:

it doesn't really mean anything like it used to.

It never meant anything. The Hall is just a museum started by Rolling Stone magazine. So is mostly who the founders and/or writers of RS pick, which is in general boomer era acts like Paul Butterfield Blues Band. There is no particular criteria other than being eligible 25 years after an acts 1st album. Jann Wenner himself was inducted, but no one from competing rock mags like Creem or Hit Parader has been nominated. So that should tell you what it's about. Pock n roll was originally about rebellion and being put into a museum is not that. Also it seems to me at least some of the inductees chosen each year seem to have to be popular enough to get viewers to watch the HBO broadcast. There tends to be at least one band with feuding members and so people want to see who shows up or not.

Perfect synopsis, little to do with music and more to do with pop culture and these horse shit lists.

SoulAlive said:

current standings (fan votes):

https://vote.rockhall.com/results

I'm really disappointed to see that Rufus and Chaka Khan are near the bottom (just like last year)

Me, too. Like someone stated here previously, most people who listened to Rufus and Chaka back in the 70s and early 80s don't really care about the RRHOF so the public vote will always be low for them. Only the committee vote would get them in. Truth be told, I'd rather see Chaka be inducted as a solo artist.

But, for me, it doesn't matter. Chaka is one of the most celebrated women in black music. She has such a long list of honors for her career achievements while others who came before and after her have zero. I often think about the Pointer Sisters. The Pointers and Chaka released their debut albums in 1973. The Pointers had more crossover success but I don't think they have ever been honored for career achievements.

If C.K. doesn't get inducted, it won't bother me. And I can assure you it won't bother her. She thought she had already been inducted. I was reading an article the other day from a couple 2 or 3 years ago where she was being asked about her feelings on the RRHOF and the interviewer asked her is there anyone she feels should be inducted? She asked if Tina Turner has been inducted (Chaka performed as part of the Tina Turner RRHOF Tribute in 1991 - I guess she forgot) and she asked had Prince been inducted? And she stated in another interview an induction appears to be more important to the fans than it is to her.

PeggyO said:

Todd Rundgren was a boss back in the day...multi-instrumentalist, producer, visionary. I am surprised he has not been inducted already.

Yep, as a producer he killed it. He should go in on the merits of XTC's Skylarking alone.

Always loved Steve Miller but now I have another reason - https://www.youtube.com/w...mI7MkgwS7M