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EmmaMcG said: Free2BMe said: Wow, I wonder who you talked to. FTR, I have never heard ANYONE say Michael was mentally ill. That sounds like something a mentally ill person themselves would say. Credible people who have worked with MichAel or been around him say he was business savvy, kind, generous, trusting to a fault, great entertainer, etc. I’m wondering where you heard the mentally ill vrap, unless it was from a tabloid or some other person who didn’t know shit about him Of course, he had problems, EVERYONE does. Don’t try and act as if this is exclusive to Michael. I don’t want to name the other celebrities that I could say have the exact same “problems” that you claim MichAel has. Let’s not be hypocrital just because it’s Michael. Several backing dancers from the This Is It concerts, two members of his band, one record company executive who, while MJ was not signed to his label, he had met with and worked with several times and also one member of MJ's family. Not ALL of them suggested he was mentally ill but enough for it to be taken seriously. Nobody is doubting that he was all the other things you say. Kind, generous, definitely trusting to a fault, great entertainer etc. But he seems to have also had problems that go way beyond the usual celebrity issues. That's why it's not fair to compare him to normal people. When people question his proclivity for sharing his bed with children or telling young boys that he loved them, it's important to keep this in mind. With almost any other person, that would be suspicious behaviour. But MJ wasn't normal. That's why I believe he was innocent. Again, I don’t believe that anyone with credibility has ever called Michael mentally ill. They may have said he was different, unique and not “normal” . Of course, he wasn’t normal, he was different from ANYONE. He didn’t conform to what people thought he should be. THANK GOD for that. That’s why his fans love him so much. He was never boring. He never tried to act like anyone else. He walked to his own drummer. I know some of you are very young and interpret things in your own way. However, being different doesn’t mean mentally ill. I will say it again, I don’t believe anyone said what you claimed that knew or worked around Michael. Your claim sounds like something from a tabloid source. Sorry, I don’t buy what you said for a mi Ute. Btw, I’m glad you think Michael is innocent, because he is 1000% innocent. He is innocent because these Robson and Safechuck are lying pieces of trash. It has nothing to do with Michael being different or “normal”, whatever the feck that means. Damn, people said I was different, because I didn’t follow the mob mentality or crowd. I thought for myself and didn’t give a damn what people thought. I still don’t follow the crowd. I don’t conform to other people’s wishes and that is what Michael did. He didn’t give a damn what people wanted him to do, because he knew that he was doing nothing wrong. That’s why my admiration, love and respect has only increased ten-fold for this wonderful, beautiful, kind and generous man, since this fraudomentary cane out. From what I have heard, Other MJ fans feel as I do, if not stronger. Lies from two racists accusers and an equally racist promoter/director of a NAMBLA driven child porn movie, only strengthens our resolve. | |
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Honestly, I think only God and those involved know the real truth, and whether abuse happened or not. We can speculate and choose sides, but nobody knows except for the ones that were involved, and I don't think we ever will know what truly happened in that situation. | |
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oceanblue said: Honestly, I think only God and those involved know the real truth, and whether abuse happened or not. We can speculate and choose sides, but nobody knows except for the ones that were involved, and I don't think we ever will know what truly happened in that situation. You are correct, God KNOWS that Michael is innocent. ALL of the facts, Timelines, 10 year FBI investigation during the time these creatures claim they were abused and absolutely NOTHING found, complete and total acquittal of another false accusations, etc. These are the things that give me the UzlTIMATE TRUTH. Not only do WE know these things, GOD knows the truth. That’s the great thing about defending Michael, we don’t have to just rely on the false words of two extortionists, weak innuendo, rumors, gossip, etc., we have the documents and receipts to PROVE what we are speaking of. “Lies run sprints. The truth runs marathons.” We have the TRUTH on our side and it is strong and solid. No wavering, no adjusting timelines to fit an agenda, no 5 versions of the lie, no editing and deleting scenes from a child porn fraudomentary by a complicit and guilty director and promoter of NAMBLA doctrine. WE have Irrefutable PROOF that Robson and Safechuck are LIARS. Bottomline is only lazy, weak minded, gullible, sheep are blinded by the propaganda SCRIPT these two actors, definently not victims, used. Ironically these idiots were stupid enough to use the same graphic SCRIPT from the book of NAMBLA supporter/advocate, Victor Guitterez. I guess Reed, Robson and Safechuck were so sure that a gullible and weak minded public wouldn’t know where there graphic accusations came from. They were correct, the sheep/public/media fell for this child porn SCRIPT hook, line and sinker. What these three scam artist did not fathom was the awareness, intelligence and dedication of the best fan base ever-the MJ fandom. Not only did we recognize word for word where the child porn/NAMBLA inspired SCRIPT came from, we have the SCRIPT. | |
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Michael Jackson fans can't handle the fact that he may have had sexual relations with boys. The clues were there - having slumber parties with kids, always touching his crotch whilst performing onstage in the prescence of children. He had an unnatural interest in boys. If Wade and James are lying then they both deserve an oscar. Reading their facial expressions and body language I think they are telling the truth. To those people who say that they have not watched Leaving Neverland, I would say watch it before u post your comments. So you believe they’re telling the truth from body language(which is subjective) vs them being caught in lies and in consistencies? Just from what you know casually? You don’t question anything they said? | |
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Cinny said: I believe the memories are real but if they are recalled with timeline errors, that could have something to do with TRAUMA and the brain working to block them, or something stupid like movie editing error. Everything isn’t trauma. That’s a cop out. The trauma wasn’t that bad or they would’ve testified against them. There’s no way someone did that to me and I’m helping their defense. I don’t buy the bullshit stories of why they helped either because both have not only been disproven. They don’t make sense if they didn’t realize they were molested until after he died | |
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Free2BMe said: EmmaMcG said: Several backing dancers from the This Is It concerts, two members of his band, one record company executive who, while MJ was not signed to his label, he had met with and worked with several times and also one member of MJ's family. Not ALL of them suggested he was mentally ill but enough for it to be taken seriously. Nobody is doubting that he was all the other things you say. Kind, generous, definitely trusting to a fault, great entertainer etc. But he seems to have also had problems that go way beyond the usual celebrity issues. That's why it's not fair to compare him to normal people. When people question his proclivity for sharing his bed with children or telling young boys that he loved them, it's important to keep this in mind. With almost any other person, that would be suspicious behaviour. But MJ wasn't normal. That's why I believe he was innocent. Again, I don’t believe that anyone with credibility has ever called Michael mentally ill. They may have said he was different, unique and not “normal” . Of course, he wasn’t normal, he was different from ANYONE. He didn’t conform to what people thought he should be. THANK GOD for that. That’s why his fans love him so much. He was never boring. He never tried to act like anyone else. He walked to his own drummer. I know some of you are very young and interpret things in your own way. However, being different doesn’t mean mentally ill. I will say it again, I don’t believe anyone said what you claimed that knew or worked around Michael. Your claim sounds like something from a tabloid source. Sorry, I don’t buy what you said for a mi Ute. Btw, I’m glad you think Michael is innocent, because he is 1000% innocent. He is innocent because these Robson and Safechuck are lying pieces of trash. It has nothing to do with Michael being different or “normal”, whatever the feck that means. Damn, people said I was different, because I didn’t follow the mob mentality or crowd. I thought for myself and didn’t give a damn what people thought. I still don’t follow the crowd. I don’t conform to other people’s wishes and that is what Michael did. He didn’t give a damn what people wanted him to do, because he knew that he was doing nothing wrong. That’s why my admiration, love and respect has only increased ten-fold for this wonderful, beautiful, kind and generous man, since this fraudomentary cane out. From what I have heard, Other MJ fans feel as I do, if not stronger. Lies from two racists accusers and an equally racist promoter/director of a NAMBLA driven child porn movie, only strengthens our resolve. You're free to believe whatever you want of course and ultimately, it makes no difference to me. I only met Michael Jackson once and I was too young to remember it so I can't say for sure if he was nuts or not. But several people who knew him better than me have made that claim. That's just a fact. Their reasons for saying it vary from person to person. One or two say it because of his absolute refusal to accept criticism. In fact, during rehearsals for This Is It, he was out of time with his backing dancers and when the choreograper told him, he blamed the other dancers and stormed off despite the fact that he was the one at fault. And I've heard that story from 3 seperate people so if it's not true, then it's one hell of a coincidence. I could give more examples, including one from a certain celebrity record executive, but I know you probably won't believe it anyway so I won't waste my time. I will say this, however. Not one of the people who knew him believed that he was a child molester. Not even one. Because as much as some of them might have disliked him or thought he was a bit mad, not one of them actually believe him to be capable of hurting a child in that way. So if the holes in the accusers testimonies isn't enough proof of his innocence, then surely the testimony of those that knew him well is enough. Especially considering that some of these people have an axe to grind and even they dismiss the allegations as false. | |
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purple05 said: Cinny said: I believe the memories are real but if they are recalled with timeline errors, that could have something to do with TRAUMA and the brain working to block them, or something stupid like movie editing error. Everything isn’t trauma. That’s a cop out. The trauma wasn’t that bad or they would’ve testified against them. There’s no way someone did that to me and I’m helping their defense. I don’t buy the bullshit stories of why they helped either because both have not only been disproven. They don’t make sense if they didn’t realize they were molested until after he died The bottomline that every hater is conveniently forgetting is that Robsons memory only occurred AFTER he was turned down for the Cirque “One” shoe. Up until that time he was STILL defending Micharl profusely AND doing tributes to him. Strange that the haters don’t bring this up. BOTH of these liars are broke and need money. Safechuck jumped on the money bandwagon. | |
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Michael Jackson fans can't handle the fact that he may have had sexual relations with boys. The clues were there - having slumber parties with kids, always touching his crotch whilst performing onstage in the prescence of children. He had an unnatural interest in boys. If Wade and James are lying then they both deserve an oscar. Reading their facial expressions and body language I think they are telling the truth. To those people who say that they have not watched Leaving Neverland, I would say watch it before u post your comments. Let me remind you that most pedos are like you, your father, your mother, your uncle/aunt, grandfather, your pastor or priest, your so-called “normal” people. Most pedophiles don’t molest children in a bed or bedroom. I know a lady who was molested at 5 years old by a woman in the CHURC restroom. Therefore all this bullshit you are spewing about children, not just boys idiot, shows how ignorant you haters are. You sheep have no evidence, so you bring up that weak argument about sleeping in a bed. Michael’s bed was in a 900 ft. Apartment sized bedroom/gameroom with two levels, three bathrooms and several beds. Btw, since you are so preoccupied with sec and cjildren, it is clearly obvious thst you can’t be trusted around children at all. I am 100% certain that you and others with your mindset could NOT be in your bed without having sex with a child. Since you are basing your ASSumptions on body and facial expressions, do you realize that the two actors did many retakes before they could get their graphic script the way Reed wanted them to. Reed said he encouraged them to be as graphic as possible. Thus why both used the SCRIPT from Guitterez’s book. I bet REAL pedophiles and NAMBLA man/boy lovers who support this fraudomentary are jumping for glee and thanking the three scam artists for giving them a platform. Reed has turned this entire fraudomentary into a fulfilling sexual experience. Those are Reeds words, not mine. Not once has he portrayed the scam artists as victims. In fact, Reed is giddy with the NAMBLA connotation. I would doubt that mit only does Reed masturbate while watch this fraudomentary, so do a lot of you haters. You people are really, really sick!! | |
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EmmaMcG said: Free2BMe said: Again, I don’t believe that anyone with credibility has ever called Michael mentally ill. They may have said he was different, unique and not “normal” . Of course, he wasn’t normal, he was different from ANYONE. He didn’t conform to what people thought he should be. THANK GOD for that. That’s why his fans love him so much. He was never boring. He never tried to act like anyone else. He walked to his own drummer. I know some of you are very young and interpret things in your own way. However, being different doesn’t mean mentally ill. I will say it again, I don’t believe anyone said what you claimed that knew or worked around Michael. Your claim sounds like something from a tabloid source. Sorry, I don’t buy what you said for a mi Ute. Btw, I’m glad you think Michael is innocent, because he is 1000% innocent. He is innocent because these Robson and Safechuck are lying pieces of trash. It has nothing to do with Michael being different or “normal”, whatever the feck that means. Damn, people said I was different, because I didn’t follow the mob mentality or crowd. I thought for myself and didn’t give a damn what people thought. I still don’t follow the crowd. I don’t conform to other people’s wishes and that is what Michael did. He didn’t give a damn what people wanted him to do, because he knew that he was doing nothing wrong. That’s why my admiration, love and respect has only increased ten-fold for this wonderful, beautiful, kind and generous man, since this fraudomentary cane out. From what I have heard, Other MJ fans feel as I do, if not stronger. Lies from two racists accusers and an equally racist promoter/director of a NAMBLA driven child porn movie, only strengthens our resolve. You're free to believe whatever you want of course and ultimately, it makes no difference to me. I only met Michael Jackson once and I was too young to remember it so I can't say for sure if he was nuts or not. But several people who knew him better than me have made that claim. That's just a fact. Their reasons for saying it vary from person to person. One or two say it because of his absolute refusal to accept criticism. In fact, during rehearsals for This Is It, he was out of time with his backing dancers and when the choreograper told him, he blamed the other dancers and stormed off despite the fact that he was the one at fault. And I've heard that story from 3 seperate people so if it's not true, then it's one hell of a coincidence. I could give more examples, including one from a certain celebrity record executive, but I know you probably won't believe it anyway so I won't waste my time. I will say this, however. Not one of the people who knew him believed that he was a child molester. Not even one. Because as much as some of them might have disliked him or thought he was a bit mad, not one of them actually believe him to be capable of hurting a child in that way. So if the holes in the accusers testimonies isn't enough proof of his innocence, then surely the testimony of those that knew him well is enough. Especially considering that some of these people have an axe to grind and even they dismiss the allegations as false. That’s great that these people don’t believe the false allegations. I just don’t believe that these people called Micharl mentally ill. Just because someone doesn’t agree with something doesn’t make them mentally ill. I’m sure Prince didn’t agree or admit to a lot of things.Did that make him mentally ill? Of course not. Stop trying to change the rules for Michael. | |
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Free2BMe said: EmmaMcG said: You're free to believe whatever you want of course and ultimately, it makes no difference to me. I only met Michael Jackson once and I was too young to remember it so I can't say for sure if he was nuts or not. But several people who knew him better than me have made that claim. That's just a fact. Their reasons for saying it vary from person to person. One or two say it because of his absolute refusal to accept criticism. In fact, during rehearsals for This Is It, he was out of time with his backing dancers and when the choreograper told him, he blamed the other dancers and stormed off despite the fact that he was the one at fault. And I've heard that story from 3 seperate people so if it's not true, then it's one hell of a coincidence. I could give more examples, including one from a certain celebrity record executive, but I know you probably won't believe it anyway so I won't waste my time. I will say this, however. Not one of the people who knew him believed that he was a child molester. Not even one. Because as much as some of them might have disliked him or thought he was a bit mad, not one of them actually believe him to be capable of hurting a child in that way. So if the holes in the accusers testimonies isn't enough proof of his innocence, then surely the testimony of those that knew him well is enough. Especially considering that some of these people have an axe to grind and even they dismiss the allegations as false. That’s great that these people don’t believe the false allegations. I just don’t believe that these people called Micharl mentally ill. Just because someone doesn’t agree with something doesn’t make them mentally ill. I’m sure Prince didn’t agree or admit to a lot of things.Did that make him mentally ill? Of course not. Stop trying to change the rules for Michael. I'm not changing rules for anyone. I'm simply repeating what was said. I'm a big Michael Jackson fan and I always have been. I think it says a lot that pretty much everyone who knew him says he wouldn't be capable of doing the things he's accused of doing. Also, add to that the fact he was found not guilty in court AND the sheer amount of holes in the accusers testimonies and the whole picture becomes a bit clearer. Of course, there will always be people who believe everything they read on social media and see in "documentaries" but to anyone paying close attention, it seems pretty obvious that Michael Jackson was not a child molester. | |
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Did I watch the documentary? No. Not interested. Do I believe the accusations? Pretty much. Has it affected my appreciation of his music? No. Still listen to his songs. The many years of these stories hasn't really dampened my attitude. | |
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I'm not. Anyone that digs deep enough will come to that realization. That documentary should never have been allowed to happen. Fuck HBO
And i;m someone that initially believed the 2005 victims. I was wrong. |
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Do you have evidence of trauma doing this? Like, not your uneducated opinion, but actual peer reviewed papers? We are not talking about a month or day difference. We are talking about a 2-3 year difference. Also, we are talking about a teenager who may have been abused at 16-17 years old. This is slightly different from being abused at 12 years old.
For example, the general consensus on repressed memories is that they don't exist. The last paper I read where they interviewed victims of abuse some years later, many of them did forget, but once they began talking about it they were able to recall the abuse and the stories they told were pretty similar to the initial reports they made over 20+ years ago. It's not as if they were suddenly confused about how old they were when it happened. Mind you, many of the people in the study had already reported the abuse when they were younger. Forgetting the abuse was what helped them move on with their lives. Yet, they claim that they were in love with him and that they didn't know it was abuse so what is the point of repressing memories if they considered them positive?
This is what I don't get and even though people got on Babara Streisand about her tweet, she's not wrong. Even though what they explained was abuse, in the film they described it in a abnormally positive manner. If that was the case then why did they have to repress the memories? When they were being cross examined back in the 90s and 00s why didn't they just answer 'yes' when they were asked if Michael Jackson touched them if they thought what they were doing wasn't considered 'wrong'? In the movie they never even used language to make it seem like they were scared or traumatized in order to hide what had been going. This is what I don't understand. | |
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LaToya Jackson brings up James Safechuck by name in this 1993 interview with Howard Stern. Sure sounds like she was telling the truth back then.
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So you speak for God now? I'll believe it when the words comes out of GOD"S mouth, not yours, and what are the odds of that happening? So until then, NONE of us know the TRUTH, and I'm not talking YOUR truth or what YOU believe about these men, Michael Jackson, etc, because NONE of us know or can say what REALLY and TRULY happened between Michael Jackson and these men, because NONE of us were there, except them! | |
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A few months ago I was reading some things about memory, that also contributed to me not watching this. Memory is a funny thing. Time keeps on slipping into the future...
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Tuls101 said:
This is pretty much where I'm at. Going into this I figured if anything convinced me he was guilty it would be the details of the actual acts of abuse that occurred but that wasn't the case for me. Like you, it was the finer details that got me, little things I never would've anticipated. I also never considered how closely these two relationships would mirror actual romantic relationships that two adults would have. Often times when they spoke about MJ it felt as if they were speaking of an ex lover. It's subtleties like that I feel like would be difficult to fake. Either these guys are telling the truth or they're sociopaths that could give Streep a run for her money with their acting chops. Who says that everything they are saying is a lie? Obviously there is some truth to what they are saying. They were friends of Michael, They did spend time with him. Hey may have acted borderline in how these friendships came together and how they ended. But they embellished their shit and added stuff to claim molestation. | |
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Okay, I wanted to post this a few days ago, so here goes: Some people ask "If Michael was innocent, why did he have such a weird relationship with kids?" A week ago, I met a guy infront of a electronics store, I signed up to a program that helps victims of sexual abuse, and he gave me a magazine and in that magazine, I read a very interesting thing, wich COULD explain why Michael was the way he was with kids (without being a pedophile). So they say that some children who are sexually abused tend to completely refuse to have contact to people around their age, so as kids, they don't play with other kids and when they grow up, they don't like the company of people around their age.
I always believed that Michael was molested as a child, why was he, out of all his siblings, the one with the biggest damage? Like, I don't know about the others, but it seems like the horrible childhood hit Michael the hardest. And yes it could easily be that he was just the most sensitive, but I believe that it was even deeper than that.
And even if he wasn't molested, the trauma Joseph caused would be enough for him to rather enjoy the company of kids.
All I'm saying is that this explanation gives the whole thing another perspective. I just want to say that his "weird relationship regarding kids" is no evidence that he molested them.
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There's no actual evidence that MJ was molested as child, but you still believe he was. Aren't you just doing to MJ's dad, what some people say is being done to MJ himself - accusing the dead without evidence? | |
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I didn't say that Joseph molested him, I said I believe he was molested, never said who it was. The only time I mentioned Joe was when I said: "And even if he wasn't molested, the trauma Joseph caused (you know, the whole stuff we know for sure) would be enough for Michael to keep a distance to adults and to rather enjoy the company of children. | |
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automatic said: LaToya Jackson brings up James Safechuck by name in this 1993 interview with Howard Stern. Sure sounds like she was telling the truth back then. [Edited 4/3/19 7:25am] You say it like she didn’t know James wasn’t around. LaToya has said none of that was true and that she was being abused. I guess you only believe victims when it fits your narrative | |
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You havent watched it ?
If they are acting Meryl Streep could take lessons from them | |
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I believe it because I was one of "those" boys. It is absolutely how it happens, how it makes you feel, how you see them as your hero, how you want to protect them, how you feel special and loyal to them, etc. Then when you have your own kid, it makes you feel sick about it all. Never mind straining at gnats, people. There's no doubt their stories are true, for it's my story, too. ∞ ʀ⁅VERB⁆я ∞ | |
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SoulSplash said: I believe it because I was one of "those" boys. It is absolutely how it happens, how it makes you feel, how you see them as your hero, how you want to protect them, how you feel special and loyal to them, etc. Then when you have your own kid, it makes you feel sick about it all. Never mind straining at gnats, people. There's no doubt their stories are true, for it's my story, too. Let’s consider this scenario: Did you do tributes to your accuser? Did you get on a court stand and voluntarily testified on your accusers behalf and say nothing happened? Did you. Continue those tributes even after your accuser died when you could easily have made claims against your accuser? There was nothing holding you back after accuser was dead. Did younSUDDENLY come up with accusations after you were turned down for a job from your accusers estate? Did you file a 1.5 billion lawsuit against an estate when you couldn’t extort money? If the answer is yes to any of these questions, then you would be a liar. I now have a problem with People claiming to be “victims”. You may be a real victim, I don’t know. However, there is infinite PROOF that Robson and Safechuck are NOT victims. Their SCRIPT doesn’t fit the timeline, the locations, the scenario, the supposed incident, etc. NOTHING fits. That’s why I know they are lying. They are no more a victim than I am, and I am not a victim. Their ACTING is harming real victims. Their pedophilic FANTASIES are what they WANTED to happen. None of it did. Sadly, that’s the situation with these two proven liars, perjurers, extortionists and scam artists. | |
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Thank you for your replies. - I have also read that survivors can get facts, such as times, places, people (!!!) twisted, so it makes sense now that they said inaccurate things in the doc. I believe they have been abused by someone, but I'm not sure if it was MJ or someone else. - And I think it's fair to point out these inconsistencies, especially if we want to know what really happened, so that we can help them (or any sexual abuse survivors in general). - Culkin said that MJ's beds were two-storey, so even if they shared beds, each person slept on their own mattress. If we believe what Culkin says. - I also believe that MJ was neurodivergent. Maybe even autistic, but that's just my wild guess. He did things in his own way and didn't understand that others would find it upsetting. It's really funny, because women are not thought to be pedophiles when they are around children. Obviously, they can abuse them and so can men, it's just that the responses vary according to gender. When he died, there were dolls in his bedroom. I don't know if he surrounded himself with girls, but there were female friends in his life: Diana Ross, Elizabeth Taylor, etc. He also had male friends of adult age. - I've been a fan of both MJ's and Prince's for a long time. I'm not a newbie here, so I don't understand why I'm accused of "taking over" this discussion board. - Why would people lie about sexual abuse? It's happened. Black men have been falsely accused and then imprisoned (or lynched). Of course, that doesn't mean black men are not capable of sexual abuse. We just have to be careful. There is little outrage about Kelly and Weinstein because Kelly's victims are black women (he admitted his wrongdoings, there's was that tape and he married Aaliyah) and Weinstein is a white man. It's a power play, unfortunately. - Did MJ commit sexual abuse? I don't know. I see wrong arguments on both sides and I find it hard to believe this documentary, based on the evidence that is publicly available. That being said, the other side doesn't always have convicing counterarguments either. full lips, freckles, and upturned nose | |
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But they did realize what happened before he died. This wasn't a case of suppressed memory, or trauma "blocking" the events. It's more a case of fully understanding, comprehending and accepting what happened to you. You don't have to search far on the subject to see that it's very common for the abused to defend their abusers. Even in domestic violence cases that's a common thing. It's easy to sit on the outside and say "there's no way I'd defend....." and perhaps you'd be one of the braver ones that wouldn't. As with many situations in life, you can guess how you'd want to or "should" react to a bad situation, but conjecture isn't reality and until you're placed in that postion you really don't know. I don't understand how it's hard for someone to understand why someone wouldn't speak out in this situation. First of all, as we see first hand, often times the first thing that happens when someone speaks out is they're immediately shamed. That in itself is enough to prevent some from speaking out. Let's look at this situation in particular though, by all accounts, these are two "regular", heterosexual guys going up against perhaps the most famous man in the world, a multi millionaire with an iron clad legal team that could only be afforded by someone with some monetary privilege. I know that in itself would intimidate me. Then, they'd have to literally tell the world graphic details of sexual acts they had with another man.....these are straight men. I don't think a lot of straight men would ever feel comfortable speaking about that if it happened to them. Most would probably sweep it under the rug and deal with it on their own rather than have any perceived "gay" connotation attached to them. Finally, going up against the most famous man on earth is obviously going to bring incredibly invasive press, that's not something everyone wants to do deal, especially in a situation like this. It blows my mind people don't think about these things in the midst of finger wagging at the victims for "lying". | |
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