RODSERLING said: Free2BMe said: In one of those depositions, Michael had just had several teeth pulled, and was feeling like any other normal human being would feel after having teeth pulled, pretty much out of it. Absolutely not, you are talking about the 1993 Mexico deposition And I was talking about the 96 clip where he’s asked directly about the allegations and his reactions were off | |
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alphastreet said: RODSERLING said: Absolutely not, you are talking about the 1993 Mexico deposition And I was talking about the 96 clip where he’s asked directly about the allegations and his reactions were off I'm not really seeing that anything was off. Not sure what the fuss is about. | |
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As annoying as the others were with their questions, his reactions were weird. I’m not sure how that’s not seen as odd. I really think he was trauamatized and reacted that way as a defence mechanism or dissociated. But it may not come off that way to others who could try to spin it is what I’m worried for | |
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Is there a text- or guidebook on how one should react to annoying, embarrasing, insulting, laughable and stupid questions? He reacted accordingly with laughing it off, annoyance, embarrasment, resignation and help from his lawyer. Also the whole thing was edited to make him look (supposedly) bad. Why not show the full 3 hour deposition? Probably because that wouldn't help the media's case. | |
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It was sad to watch, period. | |
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when did michael not come across as odd? to be honest. that was always part of his charisma. he was once reportedly diagnosed as schizophrenic as a teen. that might not be true but he was certainly schizoid as are all of our great musicians. It's part of their draw to us. It is sad to see the face though, i have to wonder if they had any choice about the cameras, probably not. | |
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Oh yeah, I did hear that, had forgotten. Not sure how true that report was though | |
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PeteSilas said: when did michael not come across as odd? to be honest. that was always part of his charisma. he was once reportedly diagnosed as schizophrenic as a teen. that might not be true but he was certainly schizoid as are all of our great musicians. It's part of their draw to us. It is sad to see the face though, i have to wonder if they had any choice about the cameras, probably not. I have never heard ANYONE say or claim that Michael was diagnosed as schizophrenic as a teenager. It sounds like crap and something a tabloid would throw outg for idiots to consume. | |
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I just rewatched the 1996 deposition. I hadn’t watched this since 1996. I wanted to watch it again, because the way certain people on this org were talking, I thought SURELY I missed something when I first saw this. OF COURSE, I should have known that those speaking about this were overreacting, and manipulating what was actually there. Michael didn’t act weird, he seemed amused and annoyed at the bullshit questions. I would have probably reacted the same way. Who knows? As Patrick said, there is no guide on how a person is is supposed to act under these circumstances. | |
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not confusing anything, just saying I saw an article after he died where the author claimed that Michael was diagnosed schizophrenic as a teen, i'll try to find it later and you can judge for yourself. It was in one of the bazillion articles put out after he died. being diagnosed schizophrenic and really being schizophrenic can be two different things and if he was schizoid, which he was, then they could try to say he had "undifferntiated schizophrenia" or mild schizophrenia. He wasn't seriously afflicted with it if he had it, schizophrenics can't function at high levels like he did during the next couple decades. | |
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i'll try to find the article later, where the author came by the info i don't know but it does sound plausible. | |
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to me it seems kinda sad, he seems that he's either bluffing that he's not taking it seriously or that he really isn't which would indicate that he really did think he was powerful enough to get away from whoever might mean him harm. He learned later that wasn't true. | |
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Many were critical of her after her comments about interventions and going along with Randy's plan in 2013 involving their mother but many MJ fans ARE Janet fans and have supported her, including spreading the info about Moonves sabotaging her after 2004
Your comment is not at all accurate "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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It was a deposition. If I remember correctly, he won the lawsuit or it was thrown out
Possibly when Evan Chandler sued him again after the Diane Sawyer inteview. Chandler wanted more money AND a record contract that time. "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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PeteSilas said:
i'll try to find the article later, where the author came by the info i don't know but it does sound plausible. I am looking forward to seeing this article. I am highly suspicious that the “author” knows nothing and is using speculation, innuendo, “arm chair” diagnosis as fact. As usual when it comes to Michael.Of course, anything IS plausible with ANYONE, even you or I. [Edited 2/6/19 20:36pm] [Edited 2/6/19 20:36pm] | |
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bboy87 said:
Jet magazine- January 30, 1995
then April 27, 1998
https://themichaeljacksonallegations.com/2016/12/26/victor-gutierrez-and-his-role-in-the-allegations-against-michael-jackson/
https://variety.com/1997/scene/vpage/jackson-s-hard-copy-suit-dismissed-1117341899/
http://articles.latimes.com/1995-01-13/local/me-19724_1_michael-jackson
[Edited 2/2/19 21:50pm] Thank you for posting these articles. This pretty much kicks that “submissive” bull crap in the ass. Michael was never submissive to anyone. | |
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siccing lawyers on people don't make anyone assertive, that's just getting someone to do your dirty work. if mike was more assertive he woulda kicked bashirs ass out of neverland after he started asking crazy questions.
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That depostition was regarding those 5 Neverland employees, he fired in '93 or so, who sued for wrongful termination. And I find nothing sad, odd or bluffing about this (little excerpt of a 3 hour) deposition (and like Free2BMe I also had to re-watch it, thinking I missed something, but should have known better). The only thing that is sad, is that he was constantly confronted with this bullshit and that it now gets used to manipulate the public. How is it right, that a deposition in a civil case gets leaked to the public? And really, that you can get sued for firing someone working at your home (but I guess every employer has to deal with that problem). [Edited 2/7/19 1:12am] | |
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he didn't need all those people, as i've said millions of times, it's the people closest to you that fuck you the hardest, same for all of us. But the only thing i thought was sad was how his face looked, his nose looked like it was about to fall off and he did seem to be taking it lightly. I don't see how anyone can look at this and say "gee, ya, look at his reactions, he's a molestor". | |
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PeteSilas said:
he didn't need all those people, as i've said millions of times, it's the people closest to you that fuck you the hardest, same for all of us. But the only thing i thought was sad was how his face looked, his nose looked like it was about to fall off and he did seem to be taking it lightly. I don't see how anyone can look at this and say "gee, ya, look at his reactions, he's a molestor". I noticed that the video seems as if it is filtered into a different lighting. This makes Michael’s face and nose look different than the origrinal video of this deposition. In the original video, Michael’s nose didn’t have these “craters” in it. This video has been manipulated. This was a common occurrence by the media, especially the tabloid media. Btw, not only does Michael look amused at the bullshit questions, you can tell he is annoyed. This video portrays the body language of a 100% innocent man. The only sad thing is having to watch this beautiful man have to go through what he had to endure from greedy employees and people he tried to help. Rewatching this edited video, just brought back a flood of emotions about his mistreatment and how he had to cope. I love him even more, if that is possible, after watching this attempt at manipulating the public. | |
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[Edited 2/9/19 20:10pm] "That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when was doing the Purple Rain tour had a lot of people who knew 'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream." | |
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Janet has NEVER been a controversial artist. So any of those instances was just a way to put the BLAME on her. Also my experiences with MJ fans maybe different than your experiences. it is people in this very thread that has ATTACKED Janet's talent to NO END. So my comment is VERY ACCURATE! As far as the sabotaging by Moonves it's THE TRUTH so why wouldn't they support it after he has been exposed? Use common sense! You are exaggerating your experiences with MJ fans. MJ fans do NOT attack Janet, EXCEPT when discussing two things: her INTENTIONAL portrayal of her own deceased brother as a drug addict, and her vindictive participation in the coup to take over Michael’s estate and try and wrestle this from his children. I know the forum you are speaking of and MJ fans have always supported Janet except they don’t like what she did in those aforementioned instances. Just think, would any of you JJ fans have supported MJ if he had done the things she did’ especially after she was dead? Spare me your weak excuses. | |
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Did you even read what I wrote?
MJ fans supported Janet when the Superbowl fiasco happened even before Moonvesgot exposed. When the official news came out, they helped spread the word
The fans on the forums and other sites have had her back. But hey, go ahead and put the whole fanbase into one box, champ
[Edited 2/7/19 13:30pm] "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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From Brad Sundberg, Michael's assistant engineer (1985-2001)
"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said:
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bboy87 said: From Brad Sundberg, Michael's assistant engineer (1985-2001)
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he's right, most of us fans need to chill it'll come and go and the people that want to believe he was a monster will, the rest of us, until some video or audio or photos or cosby numbers pile up, we shouldn't even waste our energy on it.
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I like how you think | |
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