The Jacksons Fight Back

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[Edited 2/1/19 18:28pm]

Free2BMe said:

RJOrion said:

it never ceases to amaze me how musicians and entertainers have such an emotional hold on some of their fans and followers, that their flaws and demons are blindly and emotionally defended and excused away by theses fans and followers, who have never spent a second with the accused artists...even against all evidence and common sense

Strange you would say that, because that’s just the way I feel about dummies who ignore proof and rely on innuendo and malicious lies, that don’t have an ounce of truth. These same dummies are either too ignorant to see the truth or they just don’t give a damn that a person can be falsely accused by two proven liars. These dummies are blindly and willfully being ignorant. These dummies who defend the lies of Robson and Safechuck excuse every fact presented against them because they WANT this to be true. IMO, these same dummies who believe the con artists could possibly have latent or even active pedophilic tendencies. Any dummy who would believe that Robson, at 7 years old, was butt raped everday for 7 years, need to be sent to a psychiatrist. Would any of you be able to withstand being butt raped every day for 7 years straight as a kid. Some of you are so pathetic. Not only is that claim stupid and dumb, it is irrational. Of course, maybe Wade is wishing that had happened and fantasizes about it. Anyone wonder why there were no black boys making these false claims? There were as many black boys around Michael as white ones’ probably more. However, it is not that the media didn’t try to persuade black boys and there families to lie on Michael. The media offered Alfonso, Emmanuel and other black families money, if they falsely accused Michael, these families were not trashy enough to do that. Hmmm, says something about the trash that accused him. The bottomline is that only dummies would believe these desperate con men. Nothing they say fits, unless that is YOUR sexual fantasy. I intentionally used the word “dummie” multiple times, to emphasize just how blindly you people follow unsubstantiated gossip, lies and rumors. It sounds as if most of you had a hard time in school, because you wouldn’t know rationalization or deductive reasoning, even if you were slapped in the face with those terms. You truly are an embarrassment to society! Is it any wonder why this world is so fucked up, with people like you as inhabitants.

You can disagree with others that have different opinions that are not yours, without the offensive name calling, bullying, and rudeness! I don't care how much of a fan you are of Michael Jackson, you don't talk to other posters in that manner, there's no excuse for it at all!

oceanblue said:

You can disagree with others that have different opinions that are not yours, without the offensive name calling, bullying, and rudeness! I don't care how much of a fan you are of Michael Jackson, you don't talk to other posters in that manner, there's no excuse for it at all!

Right. But it's okay to call the people who don't fall for the lies e.g. the fans, every name on earth, having their intelligence, intentions and sanity questioned constantly, just because we don't buy the bs and conflicting, inconsistent, outrageous and quite laughable stories by these "victims"?! We get insulted and downtalked on a daily basis too. So really, don't expect any courtesy back. We're not the one condemning a man's reputation based on flawed testimony.

@PatrickS77, it's not right for anyone to be called names, bullied, or insulted rudely, fans or not!

oceanblue said:

RJOrion said:

it never ceases to amaze me how musicians and entertainers have such an emotional hold on some of their fans and followers, that their flaws and demons are blindly and emotionally defended and excused away by theses fans and followers, who have never spent a second with the accused artists...even against all evidence and common sense

Does that apply when accusers have shaky credibility and the allegations lack evidence?

i don't know why people find it so hard that someone can lie, latoya lied her ass off and admitted it later when she made all her crazy accusations.

The Robson accusations came during the AEG trial. The defense lawyer said in the opening statements that things were going "to get really ugly" and used the Robson accusations as a way of proving that the MJ brand was tarnished and therefore diminished. Robson was cross-examined by Ron Zonen who Mesereau called the greatest prosecutor he has ever faced. He never, ever waivered in his discourse that MJ had never touched him. Ron Zonen aggressively mauled Robson and never once did he crumble as he always mantained MJ neved molested him. And now this? How can he sleep at night? It's clear he blames MJ for his lack of success past a certain point, for his father's suicide (he called MJ, and not his father, Dad) and so on. That mihgt explain it but it is still beyond my comprehension.

ItsLetoyaBaby said:

ItsLetoyaBaby said:

DaveT said:

I saw someone else mention something along the lines of the "post death glow" where people took it a bit easier on MJ in the immediate aftermath. I don't really remember that (I'm in the UK), but I do remember thinking reaction to his death was quite muted considering how big of a star he was. Even more so when held in comparison to the huge reaction there was to Prince's death. I put it down to some of the stuff he said and got up to away from his music career.

We were at Glasto for both and I don't remember there being much in the way of tribute to MJ, maybe because it happened while the festival was already on so it was all last minute ... but there was Prince stuff everywhere when he passed. Speaking to people at both there was a sense with MJ that people still weren't entirely comfortable with holding him aloft and celebrating him.

Are you the first person inhabiting Mars or something? MJ's death crashed the internet which is to say, Planet Earth stopped. Nothing else was talked about for two weeks. He had been the most famous person in the world for a good two decades and everyone was shocked. The world revolved around him in the aftermath. That is not to say everybody embraced him. No, the child molestation allegations caused a lot of rejection and many refused to tribute him, includig music acts. But ALL were in a surreal state. Prince was more celebrated in the sense that there were no barriers to do so since there was no "But he was accused of pedophilia" or "What if it was true?". But in terms of impact there was no comparison. MJ's death is one of those "where were you when" moments. Prince didn't inhabit that rarified level of fame. In Europe there are plenty of people who don't know Prince. I didn't know him until I was 15, my parents don't know him and some of my friends also don't. Michael was known even by those North Korean concentration camp inmates that live their entirely life there. [Edited 1/29/19 5:08am]

Yeah, that was a weird comment. The reaction to MJ's death was only muted if one was in a coma.

ItsLetoyaBaby said:

I just hoped the family would do more. Only MJ's nephews are doing something. The rest of the family, who created the drug-addict image, does nothing but release a futile statement. It's demotivating. Why will I fight for MJ if his own family created the junkie image and cross their arms? Hell, next thing you know Rebbie is still friends Stacy Brown.

The older generation of the family are pretty useless tbh. It'll be up to the younger ones to do the leg work. The Estate is useless too.

RODSERLING said:

PeteSilas said:

how could she, it was made plain that she was a fucking liar. I've been there too, several times, not with kids but with women, accused me of shit that just had me going wtf? calling police on me like i'm a stalker, saying i planned on killing my mom (or some such shit, I never heard it from her) and the next time i saw one of these women she couldn't do anything but look down and I said no more. like i said "what motive" only explains when you're dealing with clear thinking people, nut nutsos and psychos. and..., i must admit, i'm an easy target because like mike, i've always been very different and off on my own so i can understand to a degree.

Robson and Schafschuck are clearly not "nuts". . While the Arvizo case showed that MJ was framed and was a good guy, trying to heal sick children, I m afraid the 2013 allegations supported by this documentary will damage forever MJ s legacy. . I m sure in 2023 there will be new allegations. . People will look into the Chandler case again, and many embarrassing facts will appear that will throw doubts among the strongest fans

Dude. You have no idea what you're talking about but you're amusing so please carry on.

Cloudbuster said:

RODSERLING said:

Evan Chandler only explains he wants to take revenge. That could well be a revenge because MJ raped his child. . What MJ did with Jordan Chandler was morally wrong, and this embarrassing situation needed to be stopped. MJ destroyed the Chandler family. . Anybody who thinks that what Michael did with Jordan is normal, needs to consult a psychologist. Jordan Chandler was not a sick child in terminal phase, he wasn't an orphan, he wasn't poor. He didn't need MJ in his life, and MJ had no reason to take care of him. .

What proof do you have that MJ raped Jordan Chandler?
And if that was the case then why would Jordan Chandler get legal emancipation from his parents?

And why did the Chandler's persue a civil settlement and not a criminal investigation?

Why did two grand juries determine that there were no grounds for prosecution?

What do you know that the authorities didn't know?

Leave him please! He's a fantasist. Let him carry on, I'm enjoying his contributions.

RJOrion said:

it never ceases to amaze me how musicians and entertainers have such an emotional hold on some of their fans and followers, that their flaws and demons are blindly and emotionally defended and excused away by theses fans and followers, who have never spent a second with the accused artists...even against all evidence and common sense

It's fascinating.

Out of interest were you aware of Prince's dalliances with under age girls? Does it change your opinion of him?

alphastreet said:

Apparently the director is now complaining about thousands of emails from fans

If the letters were coming in as supportive he won't be complaining.

alphastreet said:

Apparently the director is now complaining about thousands of emails from fans

Playing the lovely victim Dan Reed. I guess he wanted to accuse a deadman of horrific sexual abuse of minors with unproven, posthumous claims and thin one-side testimony and have everyone invite him for dinner at Savoy!

Oprah celebrates her birthday in St Barts aboard David Geffen's $300M megayacht watching Michael Jackson documentary with her best friend Gayle

• She was joined by Gayle King and the CBS This Morning anchor's son Will for the trip, which lasted just three days
• After enjoying some birthday cake on Tuesday, the group watched the Michael Jackson sexual assault documentary Leaving Neverland

Above deck: She was joined by Gayle King and the CBS This Morning anchor's son Will for the trip, which lasted just three days (l to r: King, Will, guest, Oprah and Geffen on Tuesday)

https://www.dailymail.co....rland.html

is the MJ estate in financial difficulty?? maybe thats why this is going on

ChocolateBox3121 said:

• After enjoying some birthday cake on Tuesday, the group watched the Michael Jackson sexual assault documentary Leaving Neverland

Yeah. How's that for birthday entertainment. Sickening, if true.

PatrickS77 said:

ForgottenPassword said:

ForgottenPassword said:

Leave him please! He's a fantasist. Let him carry on, I'm enjoying his contributions.

Well.

MotownSubdivision said:

ForgottenPassword said:

It's fascinating.

Out of interest were you aware of Prince's dalliances with under age girls? Does it change your opinion of him?

What "dalliances"? Can you PM me? Also, most of the people in this topic so sure that MJ was guilty are users who have proven themselves to not be fans of the man. The way they talk about this, it's as though they want these allegations to be true which is pretty despicable if that's the case.

ya, they didn't like him to begin with, it's hard to remember in this era but the backlash to thriller was about as big as it's success was. It became a way to measure how cool you were by distancing yourself from this silly Michael Jackson stuff, and it never really went away, it changed forms all the way to his death when everyone realized that he actually wasn't a joke.

for the prince stories we have a thread now on anna garcia and prince that got pretty heated, mainly because of my fat mouth which i ain't about to close anytime soon.

oprah always came across as jealous of Michaels fame, always.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Oprah celebrates her birthday in St Barts aboard David Geffen's $300M megayacht watching Michael Jackson documentary with her best friend Gayle

• She was joined by Gayle King and the CBS This Morning anchor's son Will for the trip, which lasted just three days
• After enjoying some birthday cake on Tuesday, the group watched the Michael Jackson sexual assault documentary Leaving Neverland

Above deck: She was joined by Gayle King and the CBS This Morning anchor's son Will for the trip, which lasted just three days (l to r: King, Will, guest, Oprah and Geffen on Tuesday)

https://www.dailymail.co....rland.html

alphastreet said:

I hope someone starts a petition for not airing it.

like that would do any good. salaciosness sells better than saying he was a grand old fellow. same with elvis, the people around him sold stories for most of their lives, everyone had a book and there was always some news show which was providing shocking info on the king, his fans had to weather some awful shit. I'm a musician, if I were ever in that kind of position, i wouldn't change what I do now, I don't let anyone close. maybe that's abnormal too but i don't trust people. It's always the people closest to you that fuck you over the worst, why? Because they are the ones close enough to do damage and they do. People are vile and sick. I trust my cats.., meaow!

PeteSilas said: