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So sad, as this was another death that could have been prevented.

RIP

I was shocked to hear that Tom was touring with a fractured hip...and that Fentynal was one of the prescribed medications. This shows perfectly what a state of emergency healthcare is in when people can so easily overdose on substances prescribed to alleviate their pain...

The amount that ended up killing P was said to be enough to kill an elephant, we as humans aren't made to handle such a toxic mix of drugs.

The coroner said that Petty’s system showed traces of the drugs fentanyl, oxycodone, temazepam, alprazolam, citalopram, acetyl fentanyl and despropionyl fentanyl.

purplethunder3121 said:

& The harder they fall...

Quit with the pills rockers??

but he wasnt taking/given illegal pills

purplethunder3121 said:

I was shocked to hear that Tom was touring with a fractured hip...and that Fentynal was one of the prescribed medications. This shows perfectly what a state of emergency healthcare is in when people can so easily overdose on substances prescribed to alleviate their pain...

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I could not believe that either. I had no idea the poor condition he was in. Beyond heartbreaking.

rogifan said:

purplethunder3121 said:

I was shocked to hear that Tom was touring with a fractured hip...and that Fentynal was one of the prescribed medications. This shows perfectly what a state of emergency healthcare is in when people can so easily overdose on substances prescribed to alleviate their pain...

Nobody should be prescribed Fentanyl outside of inpatient hospital care or if they are end of life in hospice. Most of these other opioids shouldn’t be first line when dealing with pain. Certainly not for dealing with chronic pain.they should be something you take for a short period of time to deal with acute pain. And insurance companies need to update benefit designs so plans cover alternative therapies and those providers/clinics are in network.

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I wonder, was Tom Petty being prescribed all of those drugs or was he getting them from other sources?

mikeyaddict said:

Don’t know if it’s been confirmed but been seeing on some websites they’re saying that Dolores was also a consequence of fentanyl. Fucked up - regardless of who it takes or their reasons for taking it.

I pretty much assumed drugs with her, sad story, she had a pretty hard life. the older i get the more i wonder why people have to be so cruel to each other.

mikeyaddict said:

Don’t know if it’s been confirmed but been seeing on some websites they’re saying that Dolores was also a consequence of fentanyl. Fucked up - regardless of who it takes or their reasons for taking it.

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It hasn't been confirmed yet. It's up to her family if they want to release the Coroner's findings.

as far as the Petty/Prince death comparisons, there is still the slightly troubling fact that Prince had no publicly known rehab episodes, or major drug issues, that is what i've been saying is one fact that makes it strange from the gitgo, no signs, there are always signs, it's been out for years that Petty was hooked on heroin and any doc to give him opiates ought to be shot.

PeteSilas said:

as far as the Petty/Prince death comparisons, there is still the slightly troubling fact that Prince had no publicly known rehab episodes, or major drug issues, that is what i've been saying is one fact that makes it strange from the gitgo, no signs, there are always signs, it's been out for years that Petty was hooked on heroin and any doc to give him opiates ought to be shot.

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I agree. There were no signs, with Prince. I'm not so shocked with Tom Petty, although I had no idea he was that bad off, and I didn't know about his fractured hip. Like you said with the doctor's; where is the accountability? If he doctor was over-medicating him, then he needs to take accountability for his actions.

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Like Dr. Drew said: When you have a rock-star-status, you don't always get the best medical care. Standard care IS the best care.

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In Prince case; if he was self-medicating without a doctor's care, that is a recipe for disaster.

PeteSilas said:

rogifan said:

PeteSilas said:

as far as the Petty/Prince death comparisons, there is still the slightly troubling fact that Prince had no publicly known rehab episodes, or major drug issues, that is what i've been saying is one fact that makes it strange from the gitgo, no signs, there are always signs, it's been out for years that Petty was hooked on heroin and any doc to give him opiates ought to be shot.

Yeah considering Petty’s history with drug abuse (especially heroin) he should never have been prescribed opioids. And honestly if he had medical problems that required all those drugs he probably shouldn’t have been out there performing live.

no way should he have been touring if he was really in that kind of shape, don't know what gets into these guys, is it ego? is it greed? a combination? I don't know but sometimes they need to just stop. Little Richard, who is wheelchair bound and hardly resembles his former self these days, tells of how one of his nephews timidly came to him and asked if he could talk to him and made him promise not to get angry and then told him that he used to sound good but didn't anymore, little richard, humble man that he really is, listened. No one likes getting old but hey, it beats the options.

PeteSilas said:

rogifan said:

PeteSilas said: Yeah considering Petty’s history with drug abuse (especially heroin) he should never have been prescribed opioids. And honestly if he had medical problems that required all those drugs he probably shouldn’t have been out there performing live.

no way should he have been touring if he was really in that kind of shape, don't know what gets into these guys, is it ego? is it greed? a combination? I don't know but sometimes they need to just stop. Little Richard, who is wheelchair bound and hardly resembles his former self these days, tells of how one of his nephews timidly came to him and asked if he could talk to him and made him promise not to get angry and then told him that he used to sound good but didn't anymore, little richard, humble man that he really is, listened. No one likes getting old but hey, it beats the options.

Or how about the fact that "these guys" are musicians who devoted their entire lives to playing music onstage and writing and recording songs in the studio. Regardless of how much money they amassed in their careers, their livelihoods were the same as their hobbies. If anything, it's a testament to their zeal for playing for their fans and not letting their challenges keep them from living life.

rogifan said:

sonshine said:

lastdecember said:

sonshine said:

Fentanyl patches are a safe, effective tool for managing chronic pain when used as directed. The medication is releaaed at an even rate over a period of days. But many of these overdose cases are due to patients not following directions.

There is no reason to be prescribed six different types of drugs without checking on who is prescribing what, there is no accountability amongst doctors at all. There is no system of checks and balances with this stuff.

No, there really isn't. You have to be your own "check and balance."

sonshine said:

purplethunder3121 said:

I am not sure how Petty was originally injured. However, ir seems like a lot of performers are originally injured on stage. There needs to be more attention paid to this and education to younger performers by their injured elders, just like that has finally started happening in the NFL about concussions. It is so easy to be in denial about these things when you are young.

I agree with the sentiment expressed in a couple of posts that while it seems logical for the injured not to tour, it is unrealistic given that this is their passion. If they can't move around much anymore, hire dancers or younger musicians who can move around the stage. Prince on the P & M tour proved you can capture the crowd by being open, spontaneous, and engaged with an audience without doing all the moves. Of course, not everyone is Prince....

bashraka said:

PeteSilas said:

no way should he have been touring if he was really in that kind of shape, don't know what gets into these guys, is it ego? is it greed? a combination? I don't know but sometimes they need to just stop. Little Richard, who is wheelchair bound and hardly resembles his former self these days, tells of how one of his nephews timidly came to him and asked if he could talk to him and made him promise not to get angry and then told him that he used to sound good but didn't anymore, little richard, humble man that he really is, listened. No one likes getting old but hey, it beats the options.

Or how about the fact that "these guys" are musicians who devoted their entire lives to playing music onstage and writing and recording songs in the studio. Regardless of how much money they amassed in their careers, their livelihoods were the same as their hobbies. If anything, it's a testament to their zeal for playing for their fans and not letting their challenges keep them from living life.

i'm a musician, i understand the obsession, but then, i also do not share the drug habit, never did and that's oddly made me a sort of outcast sometimes. I understand the drive itself, i'm not questioning that i'm questioning the ego or greed that might make these guys need to get out there in front of all these people. Isn't that what made Prince ruin his hips? Ego? Not accepting that his body had limits and having that ego fed by thousands of people? To me, an old martial artist/fighter, it's just like boxers who don't know when to stop and ruin the remainder of their lives by fighting too long because of EGO. Now, I don't know what made Petty tour with broken hips when he had money and fame already maybe it was greed and not ego but I'd suspect it was one or the other and not some drive for the love of music. Even if it was, like Little Richard, comes a time when you have to stop.

lastdecember said:

purplethunder3121 said:

No, there really isn't. You have to be your own "check and balance."

We seem in this country to have lazy attitudes towards things like this or who owns a gun and what their history is than say people with food allergies. A similar thing happened with CHRIS Cornell it was brushed aside as a suicide though the reality was he prescribed things that re started his addictions. I think a doctor has to be more than someone that slaps a signature on a piece of paper and then your on your own. It seems to me that Fentanyl is almost always at the heart of these issues, how do we it works? If this was an ingredient in something that killed a bunch of people we’d pull it off the market.

Something is seriously wrong... A couple of years ago, a young family member who is a recovering addict had to undergo surgery and his surgeon prescribed the VERY SAME DRUG that the young man had been addicted to! WTF!!! The poor guy was terrified he would go back to his old habit; fortunately he did not.

purplethunder3121 said:

lastdecember said:

purplethunder3121 said: We seem in this country to have lazy attitudes towards things like this or who owns a gun and what their history is than say people with food allergies. A similar thing happened with CHRIS Cornell it was brushed aside as a suicide though the reality was he prescribed things that re started his addictions. I think a doctor has to be more than someone that slaps a signature on a piece of paper and then your on your own. It seems to me that Fentanyl is almost always at the heart of these issues, how do we it works? If this was an ingredient in something that killed a bunch of people we’d pull it off the market.

Something is seriously wrong... A couple of years ago, a young family member who is a recovering addict had to undergo surgery and his surgeon prescribed the VERY SAME DRUG that the young man had been addicted to! WTF!!! The poor guy was terrified he would go back to his old habit; fortunately he did not.

that's what i keep saying, these fucking "doctors" are just human, they don't always know what the fuck they are doing.