MMJas said:

my heart aches for the loss of Bowie .. the pain is massive

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Free2BMe said:

MMJas said:

Prince was more visceral and emotion, Bowie was more of an intelectual artist. You cannot compare them, it's like comparing salt with pepper, water with wine, oranges and apples.
I absolutely love both and was devastated by their deaths in 2016.

I like this. Good observation.

Thanks.

MMJas said:

Free2BMe said:

MMJas said: I like this. Good observation.

Thanks.

I don't like it, and I don't think it's a good observation as Prince was just as intelligent as Bowie
was; and Bowie could be just as emotive and visceral as Prince. But, I'm particularly wanting to
claim that Prince's music/lyrics can be claimed to have been more than just emotive and visceral.

We have to stop this presentation of Black recording artists as not being as intelligent as their
white counter-parts; and we have to stop this presentation of white recording artists not being as
emtionally intelligent as their Black counter-parts.

Dasein said:

MMJas said:

Thanks.

I don't like it, and I don't think it's a good observation as Prince was just as intelligent as Bowie
was; and Bowie could be just as emotive and visceral as Prince. But, I'm particularly wanting to
claim that Prince's music/lyrics can be claimed to have been more than just emotive and visceral.

We have to stop this presentation of Black recording artists as not being as intelligent as their
white counter-parts; and we have to stop this presentation of white recording artists not being as
emtionally intelligent as their Black counter-parts.

OMG. Really? Why bring race to my comment??! One happens to be white and the other happens to be black. Go pick a fight somewhere else.

MMJas said:

Dasein said:

I don't like it, and I don't think it's a good observation as Prince was just as intelligent as Bowie
was; and Bowie could be just as emotive and visceral as Prince. But, I'm particularly wanting to
claim that Prince's music/lyrics can be claimed to have been more than just emotive and visceral.

We have to stop this presentation of Black recording artists as not being as intelligent as their
white counter-parts; and we have to stop this presentation of white recording artists not being as
emtionally intelligent as their Black counter-parts.

OMG. Really? Why bring race to my comment??! One happens to be white and the other happens to be black. Go pick a fight somewhere else.

It has nothing to do you with you, he's just highlighting a difference in how black and white artists are praised and explaining why he finds it problematic.

Why choose? Why not explore the extensive catalogs of both these exceptional artists and enjoy the music?

People bringing up race is really unfounded, and seems like insecurity or a chip on their shoulder.

Saying Bowie does more intellectualized works doesn't mean it's a race issue. Someone asked to compare Prince's classic works to Bowies, and I was going to do so, but since I wasn't asked, I refrained. But I was going to say a good few of Bowie absolute best albums, border more on concept and art, rather than just music. It's music you have to be "in a mood" to listen to. You don't just pop it in at any time, because it doesn't give you that type of feeling.

That would say that some of Bowie's music is more intellectual based on that, just because it's focused on more on a concept and atmosphere.

Where as Prince is more focused on the music itself, both in classical instruments and arrangement. And almost all of his music you can put it in and have a good time to. You can say Prince has the better muscians ear because of this. Though not all of Bowies music is "intellectualized" like that, and in terms of Prince having a concept album Parade comes to mind.

There are other comparisons and contrasts that could be made in similarity of their vision for an entire album. But maybe that's a discussion people aren't interested in.

mjscarousal said:

Prince was not a dancer and just because you do a little improv moves and splits doesn't mean you are a dancer. I think he was moved by his music when he performed at times but I woud not call him a dancer.

iirc, Prince studied ballet for a while as a teen.

LayzieKiddZ said:

People bringing up race is really unfounded, and seems like insecurity or a chip on their shoulder.

Saying Bowie does more intellectualized works doesn't mean it's a race issue. Someone asked to compare Prince's classic works to Bowies, and I was going to do so, but since I wasn't asked, I refrained. But I was going to say a good few of Bowie absolute best albums, border more on concept and art, rather than just music. It's music you have to be "in a mood" to listen to. You don't just pop it in at any time, because it doesn't give you that type of feeling.

That would say that some of Bowie's music is more intellectual based on that, just because it's focused on more on a concept and atmosphere.

Where as Prince is more focused on the music itself, both in classical instruments and arrangement. And almost all of his music you can put it in and have a good time to. You can say Prince has the better muscians ear because of this. Though not all of Bowies music is "intellectualized" like that, and in terms of Prince having a concept album Parade comes to mind.

There are other comparisons and contrasts that could be made in similarity of their vision for an entire album. But maybe that's a discussion people aren't interested in.

Thanks. That's exactly what I meant.

smoothcriminal12 said:

MMJas said:

OMG. Really? Why bring race to my comment??! One happens to be white and the other happens to be black. Go pick a fight somewhere else.

It has nothing to do you with you, he's just highlighting a difference in how black and white artists are praised and explaining why he finds it problematic.

You clearly did not read the poster's reply.

why anyone would compare these two artists is beyond me

it serves no purpose whatsoever

MMJas said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

It has nothing to do you with you, he's just highlighting a difference in how black and white artists are praised and explaining why he finds it problematic.

You clearly did not read the poster's reply.

So because I didn't come to the same conclusion as you I "clearly didn't read" it? Oh, okay.

mjscarousal said:

Just because you dance does not make you a dancer. MICHAEL JCKSON was a dancer. Fred ASTAIR was a dancer. BOJANGLES was a dancer. JAMES BROWN was a dancer. NICHOLAS BROTHERS were dancers. GENE KELLY was a dancer.

I'm sorry but Prince cannot dance. He had good rhythm and I liked the improv moves he did on stage when he was feeling himself but he is not a dancer in the true essence of the word. He is a musician/entertainer.

This is dancing

Even the improv moves Prince did were nothing exceptional imo. IMHO, I don't think he was a talented dancer. Dancing was not one of his talents and I think Prince knew this as well which is why he didn't do much choreography.

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Sorry but P's dance moves from Sign 'O' the Times concert film have all these moves beat!!! Please tell me you haven't watched said video?!

mjscarousal said:

I even said Prince had good rhythm and the improv moves he did was good for his shows (I still wouldn't call all of it dance steps though). Dancing was not a skill set of Prince imo. Doing a dance step or move doesnt mean you are skilled or talented at it. It was apart of his show and staging which is why I say the better word should be entertainer.

There is a lot of hyprocrisy in this thread IMHO because if Prince was being compared to a real dancer I know all these comments would be different. If David Bowie's and Prince's primary skills sets (skills that they were gifted at) are musicanship, songwriting, artistry, craft etc why is dancing even being mentioned? Just my 2cents.

MJ was not the only gifs I posted!

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mjscarousal is essentially correct.

CAL3 said:

mjscarousal said:

I even said Prince had good rhythm and the improv moves he did was good for his shows (I still wouldn't call all of it dance steps though). Dancing was not a skill set of Prince imo. Doing a dance step or move doesnt mean you are skilled or talented at it. It was apart of his show and staging which is why I say the better word should be entertainer.

There is a lot of hyprocrisy in this thread IMHO because if Prince was being compared to a real dancer I know all these comments would be different. If David Bowie's and Prince's primary skills sets (skills that they were gifted at) are musicanship, songwriting, artistry, craft etc why is dancing even being mentioned? Just my 2cents.

MJ was not the only gifs I posted!

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mjscarousal is essentially correct.

The point of the thread was to examine which artist had the more well-rounded skill set. As such, regardless of whether the 2 might not qualify as top-notch-dancer--certifieds, mjscarousal's protestations against observing dance as a skill to compare the 2 were a bit much. mjcarousal's contriubtion could well support a separate thread on dancing in general, but I'll disagree that Prince's "rhythm and improv moves" can be discounted as dance. I was happy to read mjcarousal admit that it was a part of the show staging, at least. And if that stuff was a part of each's show staging, why not compare the range or scale between the two? Too micro a comparison for some, I guess.

The only reason why I said what I said is because some posters were overexaggerating Prince dancing skills. That is why I was confused they were trying to use that and argue that made Prince more superior to David Bowie. I think it IS worth mentioning that dancing is not necessarily a skill set of his, if and when posters are overexaggerating it. I don't see how something can be a skill if a person is not proficient at it, jmo. Doing a couple moves doesn't make dancing necessarily a skill set, that is just personal thoughts.

Nothing mjscarousal says should be taken seriously. This person derails threads, resorts to vulgarity, and generally doesnt know what it's talking about.

The insanity of saying what it said earlier about Prince never having a choreographed dance 100 percent pure ignorance.

Prince is fuckin best dancer ok? None of that stiff extend joint AFAP conceited bullshit!

mjscarousal said:

High trousers/pants, tall socks doesn't work! It's too flash or flashdance. Or Saturday Night Fever.

mjscarousal said:

The only reason why I said what I said is because some posters were overexaggerating Prince dancing skills. That is why I was confused they were trying to use that and argue that made Prince more superior to David Bowie. I think it IS worth mentioning that dancing is not necessarily a skill set of his, if and when posters are overexaggerating it. I don't see how something can be a skill if a person is not proficient at it, jmo. Doing a couple moves doesn't make dancing necessarily a skill set, that is just personal thoughts.

In order to show that Prince was not superior to David Bowie because Prince was a better dancer than
him (Bowie), you thought a comparison between Prince and Michael Jackson was appropriate in a
thread specifically about David Bowie and Prince?

This is the dumbest argument I've heard in a long time, and Layzie's right: nothing that comes out of
your mouth should be considered credible as rarely do you have any idea what the hell you're talking
about.

Dasein said:

mjscarousal said:

The only reason why I said what I said is because some posters were overexaggerating Prince dancing skills. That is why I was confused they were trying to use that and argue that made Prince more superior to David Bowie. I think it IS worth mentioning that dancing is not necessarily a skill set of his, if and when posters are overexaggerating it. I don't see how something can be a skill if a person is not proficient at it, jmo. Doing a couple moves doesn't make dancing necessarily a skill set, that is just personal thoughts.

In order to show that Prince was not superior to David Bowie because Prince was a better dancer than
him (Bowie), you thought a comparison between Prince and Michael Jackson was appropriate in a
thread specifically about David Bowie and Prince?

This is the dumbest argument I've heard in a long time, and Layzie's right: nothing that comes out of
your mouth should be considered credible as rarely do you have any idea what the hell you're talking
about.

Man I've missed the org, y'all stay cutting each other up.

Prince of course, as a complete musican, and perfromer all over. He was more -naturally- gifted musican then D.Bowie. You don't often imagine Bowie with a guitar or piano on his hands? Not to mention bass or drums. How much boots, live material, soundcheks or rehearsls worth of your time you can find with Bowie's name on it? Bowie was a visionary, great thinker always able to absorb 'zeitgeist' = 'sing of the times' and trends (in music) & with his talent to transform that material into art through his lyrics -- in this case his most known expression music. A man of great ideas, a true individual. But if you take 70's, look at Marc Bolan, he is more close to P spirit... then Bowie, but that is another topic.

LayzieKiddZ said:

Nothing mjscarousal says should be taken seriously. This person derails threads, resorts to vulgarity, and generally doesnt know what it's talking about.

The insanity of saying what it said earlier about Prince never having a choreographed dance 100 percent pure ignorance.