Would've been cool if this wasn't a Michael Jackson/dancing thread.

And no Cab Colloway has nothing to do with this. Little Richard does because he is directly mentioned by name by Bowie himself. And he is directly copied in terms of haircuts, jewelry, and clothes by Prince himself (literally copied) and a innovator in things no one saw before, that are relevant to this thread.

LayzieKiddZ said:

And no Cab Colloway has nothing to do with this. Little Richard does because he is directly mentioned by name by Bowie himself. And he is directly copied in terms of haircuts, jewelry, and clothes by Prince himself (literally copied) and a innovator in things no one saw before, that are relevant to this thread.

The Cab Calloway reference is hard to understand in this thread. Prince-Cab parallels (such as they are) would be an interesting topic to pursue someday, but not here.

LayzieKiddZ said:

Would've been cool if this wasn't a Michael Jackson/dancing thread.

And no Cab Colloway has nothing to do with this. Little Richard does because he is directly mentioned by name by Bowie himself. And he is directly copied in terms of haircuts, jewelry, and clothes by Prince himself (literally copied) and a innovator in things no one saw before, that are relevant to this thread.

You saying "Cab Colloway has nothing to do with this" doesn't change that Little Richard was inspired by Cab Colloway. Saying that doesn't mean Little Richard wasn't an innovator. The only reason why MJ and those other dancers were brought up is because yall kept insisting Prince is a dancer and he is not.

namepeace said:

mjscarousal said:

Prince was very entertaining on stage and he had really good rhythm. However, he was a Cab Colloway but I wouldn't go as far and say he was a great dancer. Like I said in the above posts, just because you do dance moves doesn't mean you are a great dancer. I personally would not call Prince a great dancer but that is my personal opinion. I just find you Prince fans to be very hyprocritical. All of a sudden being able to do choregraph dance moves makes" Prince superior to David Bowie but see if someone comes in here and says Michael Jackson was a far superior dancer than Prince yall would make some dumb argument that dancing doesn't matter. Yall are being hyprocritical which is why I am dragging this point. If yall want Prince to only be a musician than stick with it. Don't change up when you want him to appear superior to another artist. Prince is not recognized as a dancer for a reason and that takes nothing away from his genius.

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mjs . . . Prince, Bowie and MJ were artists. But Prince's and Bowie's respective skill sets and artistic personae have more in common than Prince's and MJ's do.

When comparing Prince and Bowie, it is completely fair to point out the Prince, in terms of ability, and quality of his improvisational and choreographed dancing, was a superior dancer to Bowie. Seeing that they were both multitalented songwriters, musicians, and producers, Prince's dancing, though only a part of his overall skill set, sets him apart from Bowie in the comparison.

It's different with MJ, who was (IMO) a superior dancer vis-a-vis Prince. But MJ's core skill set was smaller than Prince's or Bowie's. So, on artistic merits, MJ's dancing abilities are ahead of Prince's. Many if not most would not dispute that. But Prince is MJ's superior in other areas, including as an instrumentalist, producer, songwriter, and composer.

The Prince-Bowie comparison is like comparing Magic and LeBron. They played with similar skill sets, and played similar (if not identical) roles on the court.

The Prince-MJ comparison is like comparing Magic and MJ. Their respective skill sets were impressive, but their roles were different on the court.

This business about Prince not being a dancer is a non-starter. He wasn't a classically trained dancer, but no person with a lick of sense would dispute improvisational and choreographed dancing were part of his repertoire. He wasn't classically trained, he wasn't as good as MJ, but he was entertaining. Anyone who watched him over the last 30 years knows that.

And unlike MJ (Astaire, Nuryev or Hines or Kelly), he did it Ginger Rogers-style.

In heels.

I never compared MJ or Prince so why are you?

I am sorry but I disagree with the bolded. I don't think its fair to bring up dancing when comparing Prince with David Bowie because Prince and Bowie were technically not dancers. Again, improvisation and doing a couple dance moves on stage does not make you a dancer. The reason why I mentioned those other dancers is because they were exceptionally talented dancers and Prince was not. If your going to call Prince a dancer then its necessesary to discuss his skill set, execution, athleticism, dance steps, technique as a dancer. I don't think its fair to say he was a good dancer just because he did more improv movement when he performed when technically he was not a dancer. I don't see how that makes him more superior to David Bowie when he was not a exceptional dancer. They both were not dancers so their music, artistry and musicianship should be the may focus of comparision. IMO, the proper word to call Prince is an entertainer NOT a dancer. David Bowie was a entertainer as well and often did improv movements too.

It is not a opinion MJ was a superior dancer to Prince, its a fact and YOU'RE right I wouldn't compare MJ to Prince either because Prince is NOT a dancer and was not a video artist.

You expressing that Prince was a superior songwriter, producer, and composer to MJ is your subjective opinion. There are many other people that would disagree with that and I am not sure why you made that comparision when I never compared MJ specifically with Prince. I simply mentioned dancers (Nicholas Brothers, Fred Astair, James Brown etc) that are far more superior to Prince and that accurately embody dancing and what is dancing is. I never said that Prince wasn't entertaining. He IS entertaining which is why I would call him a entertainer. This whole post just feels like you wanted to trash MJ. I never compared MJ with Prince... at all in this thread. MJ danced in heels and he did the same Ginger Rogers style dancing in the Jackson variety shows. He actually impersonated Fred Astair in a few of them and executed the movements exceptionally well and Fred Astair thought so too.....

mjscarousal said:

namepeace said:

mjs . . . Prince, Bowie and MJ were artists. But Prince's and Bowie's respective skill sets and artistic personae have more in common than Prince's and MJ's do.

When comparing Prince and Bowie, it is completely fair to point out the Prince, in terms of ability, and quality of his improvisational and choreographed dancing, was a superior dancer to Bowie. Seeing that they were both multitalented songwriters, musicians, and producers, Prince's dancing, though only a part of his overall skill set, sets him apart from Bowie in the comparison.

It's different with MJ, who was (IMO) a superior dancer vis-a-vis Prince. But MJ's core skill set was smaller than Prince's or Bowie's. So, on artistic merits, MJ's dancing abilities are ahead of Prince's. Many if not most would not dispute that. But Prince is MJ's superior in other areas, including as an instrumentalist, producer, songwriter, and composer.

The Prince-Bowie comparison is like comparing Magic and LeBron. They played with similar skill sets, and played similar (if not identical) roles on the court.

The Prince-MJ comparison is like comparing Magic and MJ. Their respective skill sets were impressive, but their roles were different on the court.

This business about Prince not being a dancer is a non-starter. He wasn't a classically trained dancer, but no person with a lick of sense would dispute improvisational and choreographed dancing were part of his repertoire. He wasn't classically trained, he wasn't as good as MJ, but he was entertaining. Anyone who watched him over the last 30 years knows that.

And unlike MJ (Astaire, Nuryev or Hines or Kelly), he did it Ginger Rogers-style.

In heels.

I never compared MJ or Prince so why are you?

I am sorry but I disagree with the bolded. I don't think its fair to bring up dancing when comparing Prince with David Bowie because Prince and Bowie were technically not dancers. Again, improvisation and doing a couple dance moves on stage does not make you a dancer. The reason why I mentioned those other dancers is because they were exceptionally talented dancers and Prince was not. If your going to call Prince a dancer then its necessesary to discuss his skill set, execution, athleticism, dance steps, technique as a dancer. I don't think its fair to say he was a good dancer just because he did more improv movement when he performed when technically he was not a dancer. I don't see how that makes him more superior to David Bowie when he was not a exceptional dancer. They both were not dancers so their music, artistry and musicianship should be the may focus of comparision. IMO, the proper word to call Prince is an entertainer NOT a dancer. David Bowie was a entertainer as well and often did improv movements too.

It is not a opinion MJ was a superior dancer to Prince, its a fact and YOU'RE right I wouldn't compare MJ to Prince either because Prince is NOT a dancer and was not a video artist.

You expressing that Prince was a superior songwriter, producer, and composer to MJ is your subjective opinion. There are many other people that would disagree with that and I am not sure why you made that comparision when I never compared MJ specifically with Prince. I simply mentioned dancers (Nicholas Brothers, Fred Astair, James Brown etc) that are far more superior to Prince and that accurately embody dancing and what is dancing is. I never said that Prince wasn't entertaining. He IS entertaining which is why I would call him a entertainer. This whole post just feels like you wanted to trash MJ. I never compared MJ with Prince... at all in this thread. MJ danced in heels and he did the same Ginger Rogers style dancing in the Jackson variety shows. He actually impersonated Fred Astair in a few of them and executed the movements exceptionally well and Fred Astair thought so too.....

It is not a fact that Michael Jackson was a superior dancer to Prince. Jeezus Christ, no wonder I
have so many problems with you: you've still no idea what "subjectivity" and "objectivity" means!

How can you acknowledge that NP's opinion about Prince's superior abilities as a musician is sub-
jective, then out the same mouth/brain connection, opine that Jackson's abilities as a superior
dancer is not subjective, but objective?

MJCAROUSEL said:

I never compared MJ or Prince so why are you?

I am sorry but I disagree with the bolded. I don't think its fair to bring up dancing when comparing Prince with David Bowie because Prince and Bowie were technically not dancers. Again, improvisation and doing a couple dance moves on stage does not make you a dancer. The reason why I mentioned those other dancers is because they were exceptionally talented dancers and Prince was not. If your going to call Prince a dancer then its necessesary to discuss his skill set, execution, athleticism, dance steps, technique as a dancer. I don't think its fair to say he was a good dancer just because he did more improv movement when he performed when technically he was not a dancer. I don't see how that makes him more superior to David Bowie when he was not a exceptional dancer. They both were not dancers so their music, artistry and musicianship should be the may focus of comparision. IMO, the proper word to call Prince is an entertainer NOT a dancer. David Bowie was a entertainer as well and often did improv movements too.

It is not a opinion MJ was a superior dancer to Prince, its a fact and YOU'RE right I wouldn't compare MJ to Prince either because Prince is NOT a dancer and was not a video artist.

Ah--so that explains all of the MJ video bursting out in this thread discussing the two great artists Prince and Bowie!

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The Org can be a challenging place. OK--you can be the person on Prince.org who says that Prince cannot dance. You can start a new thread under the subject heading of "Prince & co. don't dance" or some such and have a hearty discussion there--on the Org. It'll be interesting!

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Can we turn back on to the original thread topic here and now, however? Perhaps get a little discussion going about David Bowie's dance moves?

Germanegro said:

MJCAROUSEL said:

I never compared MJ or Prince so why are you?

I am sorry but I disagree with the bolded. I don't think its fair to bring up dancing when comparing Prince with David Bowie because Prince and Bowie were technically not dancers. Again, improvisation and doing a couple dance moves on stage does not make you a dancer. The reason why I mentioned those other dancers is because they were exceptionally talented dancers and Prince was not. If your going to call Prince a dancer then its necessesary to discuss his skill set, execution, athleticism, dance steps, technique as a dancer. I don't think its fair to say he was a good dancer just because he did more improv movement when he performed when technically he was not a dancer. I don't see how that makes him more superior to David Bowie when he was not a exceptional dancer. They both were not dancers so their music, artistry and musicianship should be the may focus of comparision. IMO, the proper word to call Prince is an entertainer NOT a dancer. David Bowie was a entertainer as well and often did improv movements too.

It is not a opinion MJ was a superior dancer to Prince, its a fact and YOU'RE right I wouldn't compare MJ to Prince either because Prince is NOT a dancer and was not a video artist.

Ah--so that explains all of the MJ video bursting out in this thread discussing the two great artists Prince and Bowie!

>

The Org can be a challenging place. OK--you can be the person on Prince.org who says that Prince cannot dance. You can start a new thread under the subject heading of "Prince & co. don't dance" or some such and have a hearty discussion there--on the Org. It'll be interesting!

>

Can we turn back on to the original thread topic here and now, however? Perhaps get a little discussion going about David Bowie's dance moves?

You need to read.

Your fellow Prince fan wanted to see better evidence of MJ's dance skills .... so I posted more evidence. LOL Get mad at the Prince fan not me!

Someone said Prince was a better dancer than Bowie as an argument for him being more talented and I simply disagreed. IMO, Bowie and Prince both are technically NOT dancers.

I never mentioned anything about Prince dancing skills until the Prince fans did and I am entitled to disagree.

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mjscarousal said:

Germanegro said:

Ah--so that explains all of the MJ video bursting out in this thread discussing the two great artists Prince and Bowie!

>

The Org can be a challenging place. OK--you can be the person on Prince.org who says that Prince cannot dance. You can start a new thread under the subject heading of "Prince & co. don't dance" or some such and have a hearty discussion there--on the Org. It'll be interesting!

>

Can we turn back on to the original thread topic here and now, however? Perhaps get a little discussion going about David Bowie's dance moves?

You need to read.

Your fellow Prince fan wanted to see better evidence of MJ's dance skills .... so I posted more evidence. LOL Get mad at the Prince fan not me!

Someone said Prince was a better dancer than Bowie as an argument for him being more talented and I simply disagreed. IMO, Bowie and Prince both are technically NOT dancers.

I never mentioned anything about Prince dancing skills until the Prince fans did and I am entitled to disagree.

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That's the problem. It was I who introduced the comment about Prince's dancing--completely unsuspecting it would inadvertently set off a MJ dancing gif bomb up in here! You need to calm down and not be such a tool to some highly provocative instigators, because you do know that is what they were aiming for, right?

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I can respect your opinion that you feel that Prince didn't dance, even though it doesn't set completely right by me, and makes me feel nervous about saying that my cousin George can dance pretty good. I mean, he's not a professional dancer or an entertainer by any meaans, but if somebody is dancing better than i can, I don't mind giving them props.

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Besides, Prince's arguable level of dancing flair was indeed a skill set that set him apart from Davey Jones, and added more breadth to Prince's abilities in comparison to his fellow artist's skill set.

Germanegro said:

mjscarousal said:

You need to read.

Your fellow Prince fan wanted to see better evidence of MJ's dance skills .... so I posted more evidence. LOL Get mad at the Prince fan not me!

Someone said Prince was a better dancer than Bowie as an argument for him being more talented and I simply disagreed. IMO, Bowie and Prince both are technically NOT dancers.

I never mentioned anything about Prince dancing skills until the Prince fans did and I am entitled to disagree.

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That's the problem. It was I who introduced the comment about Prince's dancing--completely unsuspecting it would inadvertently set off a MJ dancing gif bomb up in here! You need to calm down and not be such a tool to some highly provocative instigators, because you do know that is what they were aiming for, right?

>

I can respect your opinion that you feel that Prince didn't dance, even though it doesn't set completely right by me, and makes me feel nervous about saying that my cousin George can dance pretty good. I mean, he's not a professional dancer or an entertainer by any meaans, but if somebody is dancing better than i can, I don't mind giving them props.

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Besides, Prince's arguable level of dancing flair was indeed a skill set that set him apart from Davey Jones, and added more breadth to Prince's abilities in comparison to his fellow artist's skill set.

Like I said.. you need to scold your Prince buddies hun and I am far from a tool. I enjoyed posting those MJ gifs Your buddies were the ones hyping up Prince great dancing skills compared to David Bowie. You saying I need to calm down, you need to calm down! I had to bring some reality and objectivity into the thread. Prince and David Bowie were not dancers. So why exaggerate one's skill compared to the other when they both are not exceptionally talented at it? I posted those gifs of JB, Nicholas Brothers, MJ, Fred Astair because those are examples of artists that were exceptionally talented at dancing.

mjscarousal said:

Germanegro said:

That's the problem. It was I who introduced the comment about Prince's dancing--completely unsuspecting it would inadvertently set off a MJ dancing gif bomb up in here! You need to calm down and not be such a tool to some highly provocative instigators, because you do know that is what they were aiming for, right?

>

I can respect your opinion that you feel that Prince didn't dance, even though it doesn't set completely right by me, and makes me feel nervous about saying that my cousin George can dance pretty good. I mean, he's not a professional dancer or an entertainer by any meaans, but if somebody is dancing better than i can, I don't mind giving them props.

>

Besides, Prince's arguable level of dancing flair was indeed a skill set that set him apart from Davey Jones, and added more breadth to Prince's abilities in comparison to his fellow artist's skill set.

Like I said.. you need to scold your Prince buddies hun and I am far from a tool. I enjoyed posting those MJ gifs Your buddies were the ones hyping up Prince great dancing skills compared to David Bowie. You saying I need to calm down, you need to calm down! I had to bring some reality and objectivity into the thread. Prince and David Bowie were not dancers. So why exaggerate one's skill compared to the other when they both are not exceptionally talented at it? I posted those gifs of JB, Nicholas Brothers, MJ, Fred Astair because those are examples of artists that were exceptionally talented at dancing.

I haven't exaggerated a thing, but don't you think you could be leaning rather hard on your dislike of Prince's dancing ability at this time? It is wonderful to have been dazzled by the talents of all the great dancers that you mention to compare against Prince's style of dance, but that isn't the point of this thread, although it appers that you wish to make it so.

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And yeah, I knew that you wlould enjoy setting off those MJ vids--come on, chile, your handle and avatar completely give that away!

>

So now--does anybody have anything to say about Ziggy Stardust, or maybe Bowie's folk phase? I wish that Prince would have slowed down a bit every once and a while and reeled off a folky set--he'd a been good. He sounded great in his work with Ani Di Franco, and I love his album The Truth.

namepeace said:

LayzieKiddZ said:

And no Cab Colloway has nothing to do with this. Little Richard does because he is directly mentioned by name by Bowie himself. And he is directly copied in terms of haircuts, jewelry, and clothes by Prince himself (literally copied) and a innovator in things no one saw before, that are relevant to this thread.

The Cab Calloway reference is hard to understand in this thread. Prince-Cab parallels (such as they are) would be an interesting topic to pursue someday, but not here.

Yeah, I don't understand either, other than to continue the trend of "picking sides". When she should kissing, even sucking the toes of Little Richard for all he set up for Prince, Bowie, AND Michael Jackson. Things that have nothing at all to do with Cab Colloway one bit.

mjscarousal said:

LayzieKiddZ said:

Would've been cool if this wasn't a Michael Jackson/dancing thread.

And no Cab Colloway has nothing to do with this. Little Richard does because he is directly mentioned by name by Bowie himself. And he is directly copied in terms of haircuts, jewelry, and clothes by Prince himself (literally copied) and a innovator in things no one saw before, that are relevant to this thread.

You saying "Cab Colloway has nothing to do with this" doesn't change that Little Richard was inspired by Cab Colloway. Saying that doesn't mean Little Richard wasn't an innovator. The only reason why MJ and those other dancers were brought up is because yall kept insisting Prince is a dancer and he is not.

Yeah, ok he had slight influence in some similar antics. We understand, you said it once.

And Prince is a dancer, we said it once, and we WILL keep saying among ourselves. If you have a problem, dont visit the thread.

Germanegro said:

So now--does anybody have anything to say about Ziggy Stardust, or maybe Bowie's folk phase? I wish that Prince would have slowed down a bit every once and a while and reeled off a folky set--he'd a been good. He sounded great in his work with Ani Di Franco, and I love his album The Truth.

Well we already mentioned a bit about Ziggy Stardust here, on the page before. Ziggy really only lasted 2 years. I think Bowies phases before and after that demonstrate more what type of person his.

He always had that sophisticated art house look reflective of his sound, before and after.

And personally I like his music before and after Ziggy better. (Man Who Sold The World, Honkey Dorey, Station To Station, etc all great albums). Ziggy Stardust is overated in my opinion, and way too basic in terms of composition compared to his other works.

LayzieKiddZ said:

namepeace said:

The Cab Calloway reference is hard to understand in this thread. Prince-Cab parallels (such as they are) would be an interesting topic to pursue someday, but not here.

Yeah, I don't understand either, other than to continue the trend of "picking sides". When she should kissing, even sucking the toes of Little Richard for all he set up for Prince, Bowie, AND Michael Jackson. Things that have nothing at all to do with Cab Colloway one bit.

We are saying the same damn thing.

I said Little Richard is the REAL King of Rock N Roll and first real Black rocker that was flamoyant and charismatic. I said that MJ and Prince were inspired by him and I am sure David Bowie was too being Little Richard is the REAL KANG. What more do you want me to say? You seem mad about the fact that I pointed out that Little Richard was inspired by Cab Colloway. What is so wrong in saying that? Little Richard had influences too.

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LayzieKiddZ said:

mjscarousal said:

You saying "Cab Colloway has nothing to do with this" doesn't change that Little Richard was inspired by Cab Colloway. Saying that doesn't mean Little Richard wasn't an innovator. The only reason why MJ and those other dancers were brought up is because yall kept insisting Prince is a dancer and he is not.

Yeah, ok he had slight influence in some similar antics. We understand, you said it once.

And Prince is a dancer, we said it once, and we WILL keep saying among ourselves. If you have a problem, dont visit the thread.

It was not a "slight" influence. Little Richard was influenced by Cab. Why can't you admit Little Richard was inspired by Cab Colloway? That doesn't take anything away from his genius. Prince was inspired by other artists as well that doesn't make him an less of a genius. I don't have a problem with you thinking Prince is a dancer but that is not going to stop me from expressing my opinion.

Yes I'm aware. It's just none of those categories have to do with this thread.

No ones mad at all. It's just you keep saying things over and over. Are you a sassy one who has to have the last word?

Germanegro said:

mjscarousal said:

Like I said.. you need to scold your Prince buddies hun and I am far from a tool. I enjoyed posting those MJ gifs Your buddies were the ones hyping up Prince great dancing skills compared to David Bowie. You saying I need to calm down, you need to calm down! I had to bring some reality and objectivity into the thread. Prince and David Bowie were not dancers. So why exaggerate one's skill compared to the other when they both are not exceptionally talented at it? I posted those gifs of JB, Nicholas Brothers, MJ, Fred Astair because those are examples of artists that were exceptionally talented at dancing.

I haven't exaggerated a thing, but don't you think you could be leaning rather hard on your dislike of Prince's dancing ability at this time? It is wonderful to have been dazzled by the talents of all the great dancers that you mention to compare against Prince's style of dance, but that isn't the point of this thread, although it appers that you wish to make it so.

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And yeah, I knew that you wlould enjoy setting off those MJ vids--come on, chile, your handle and avatar completely give that away!

>

So now--does anybody have anything to say about Ziggy Stardust, or maybe Bowie's folk phase? I wish that Prince would have slowed down a bit every once and a while and reeled off a folky set--he'd a been good. He sounded great in his work with Ani Di Franco, and I love his album The Truth.

Im not leaning hard because the improv dancing he did was entertaining and was unique to him. I didn't say it was bad but I wouldn't call those movements dance steps except for the split but the other things I would not characterize as dance steps. I said Prince moved his body and movements based on how the music made him feel. He was a great entertainer, performer and showman. I didn't say anything negative really imo. I just wouldn't catergoize him as dancer but as a entertainer.

LayzieKiddZ said:

Yes I'm aware. It's just none of those categories have to do with this thread.

No ones mad at all. It's just you keep saying things over and over. Are you a sassy one who has to have the last word?

I don't care about having the last word. I was just clarifying my points to you. I was not trying to down play Little Richard and yes I am sassy Little Richard is one of my idols

mjscarousal said:

LayzieKiddZ said:

Yes I'm aware. It's just none of those categories have to do with this thread.

No ones mad at all. It's just you keep saying things over and over. Are you a sassy one who has to have the last word?

I don't care about having the last word. I was just clarifying my points to you. I was not trying to down play Little Richard and yes I am sassy Little Richard is one of my idols

Well hey, there you go.

mjscarousal said:

Germanegro said:

Prince danced. You can see him dancing on the stage. His band members moved on the stage. They were not hidden and static. Their movements were coordinated--they were choreographed. You can see this. Prince & the Revolution et al. weren't the Nicholas Bros. or some other dance company up there--that wasn't their MAIN focus, but they did their thing with rhythmic movement every night.

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I mean, would you say the same thing about the Temptations? They had coordinated moves on the stage--they stepped, they danced--to enance their presentation. It wasn't their main thing either, sure, not to be rated by an Olympic judge or whatnot, but dang, they danced, too.

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David Bowie did not make many if any such articulations on the stage. Can't this be the end of this little side convo? I think it should be!

Prince was very entertaining on stage and he had really good rhythm. However, he was a Cab Colloway but I wouldn't go as far and say he was a great dancer. Like I said in the above posts, just because you do dance moves doesn't mean you are a great dancer. I personally would not call Prince a great dancer but that is my personal opinion. I just find you Prince fans to be very hyprocritical. All of a sudden being able to do choregraph dance moves makes" Prince superior to David Bowie but see if someone comes in here and says Michael Jackson was a far superior dancer than Prince yall would make some dumb argument that dancing doesn't matter. Yall are being hyprocritical which is why I am dragging this point. If yall want Prince to only be a musician than stick with it. Don't change up when you want him to appear superior to another artist. Prince is not recognized as a dancer for a reason and that takes nothing away from his genius.

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Who said Prince is 'only' a musician? Last time I checked it was firmly established he was a singer, songwriter, musician, producer, etc. And dancing was definitely one of his talents. He was an athlete who performed choreography and soulful dancing on many major world tours so he IS a dancer. He didn't always focus on dancing and preferred playing instruments (which I think is your point) but at the end of the day Prince IS a dancer regardless of whether you liked his dancing or not. So the MJ comparison is pointless, so what if he didn't incorporate it into his craft like MJ did? I think that's the point of the above posters. Posting a bunch of clips of MJ dancing is irrelevant. No one here is saying Prince is an amazing dancer on his level so again the comparison you made was irrelevant.

I never compared MJ and Prince. Instead of coming half way in a discussion, re-read the entire thread. Ya'll see MJ gifs and automatically assume someone is comparing him with Prince.

^ People in this thread DID call Prince an exceptional dancer compared to Bowie that is the ONLY reason why I said he wasn't really dancer himself.

Just because you do some improv movements and feel yourself with the rhythm of the music does not make you a great dancer. Not everyone who attempts dance moves are good at dancing. I personally do not consider Prince a great dancer. He was not exceptional at it at all. Prince had good rhythm, improvisation and was a genius showman. He was a great artist, musician and entertainer. That is my opinion. I never called Prince JUST a musician. Ive been saying this whole time he was an entertainer.

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mjscarousal said:

^ People in this thread DID call Prince an exceptional dancer compared to Bowie that is the ONLY reason why I said he wasn't really dancer himself.

Just because you do some improv movements and feel yourself with the rhythm of the music does not make you a great dancer. Not everyone who attempts dance moves are good at dancing. I personally do not consider Prince a great dancer. He was not exceptional at it at all. Prince had good rhythm, improvisation and was a genius showman. He was a great artist, musician and entertainer. That is my opinion. I never called Prince JUST a musician. Ive been saying this whole time he was an entertainer.

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That is not what you said earlier, which was:

So, you're changing your tune after it has been beat over your head that Prince was a dancer as it
was a featured component of his talented abilities as a performer/entertainer.

mjscarousal said:

I never compared MJ and Prince. Instead of coming half way in a discussion, re-read the entire thread. Ya'll see MJ gifs and automatically assume someone is comparing him with Prince.

^ People in this thread DID call Prince an exceptional dancer compared to Bowie that is the ONLY reason why I said he wasn't really dancer himself.

Just because you do some improv movements and feel yourself with the rhythm of the music does not make you a great dancer. Not everyone who attempts dance moves are good at dancing. I personally do not consider Prince a great dancer. He was not exceptional at it at all. Prince had good rhythm, improvisation and was a genius showman. He was a great artist, musician and entertainer. That is my opinion. I never called Prince JUST a musician. Ive been saying this whole time he was an entertainer.

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I read the thread. I get that you don't think much of Prince's dancing - cool, no one's trying to change your opinion. But you said Prince wasn't a dancer and then put up some MJ dancing pics as if it's supposed to mean something lol. That's my whole point, it doesn't really matter how well Michael, Janet or any of those people dance it doesn't change the fact that Prince is a dancer. It's like me coming in a rock forum and saying thehy can't REALLY play guitar because Prince was a 'real' example of guitar playing -- completely irrelevant

And again nobody's trying to say P is some amazing classic dancer on a Fred Astaire level. The whole point being made was he could've out-danced Bowie any day of the week (God rest their souls). It was simply one advantage he had over him

mjscarousal said:

namepeace said:

When comparing Prince and Bowie, it is completely fair to point out the Prince, in terms of ability, and quality of his improvisational and choreographed dancing, was a superior dancer to Bowie. Seeing that they were both multitalented songwriters, musicians, and producers, Prince's dancing, though only a part of his overall skill set, sets him apart from Bowie in the comparison.

But Prince is MJ's superior in other areas, including as an instrumentalist, producer, songwriter, and composer.

I never compared MJ or Prince so why are you?

You must have forgotten what you said, right? Read your own Reply #42. You even bolded MICHAEL JACKSON 's name!



I am sorry but I disagree with the bolded. I don't think its fair to bring up dancing when comparing Prince with David Bowie because Prince and Bowie were technically not dancers. Again, improvisation and doing a couple dance moves on stage does not make you a dancer.

Saying Prince never choreographed his dance moves is just false. You HAVE seen his videos, right? "Batdance"? "Thieves In The Temple"? Any of this ringing a bell? Come on.

The reason why I mentioned those other dancers is because they were exceptionally talented dancers and Prince was not.

So if you're not "exceptionally talented" you're not a dancer? Listen to yourself!

If your going to call Prince a dancer then its necessesary to discuss his skill set, execution, athleticism, dance steps, technique as a dancer. I don't think its fair to say he was a good dancer just because he did more improv movement when he performed when technically he was not a dancer. I don't see how that makes him more superior to David Bowie when he was not a exceptional dancer. They both were not dancers so their music, artistry and musicianship should be the may focus of comparision. IMO, the proper word to call Prince is an entertainer NOT a dancer. David Bowie was a entertainer as well and often did improv movements too.

Prince was an artist. Part of his artistry was dancing onstage, as well as in video and film. That makes him a dancer. It was part of his skill set. And whoever said Prince was superior? I mjst said his performances as a dancer set him apart from Bowie. It doesn't make him better per se. Michael Jackson was more of an entertainer than Prince.

It is not a opinion MJ was a superior dancer to Prince, its a fact and YOU'RE right I wouldn't compare MJ to Prince either because Prince is NOT a dancer and was not a video artist.

So you comparing MJ favorably to Prince is a fact. And actually, my comparison of the two has to do with them as artists. Even when discussing MJ, you're being reductionist.

"Video artist"? Really?

You expressing that Prince was a superior songwriter, producer, and composer to MJ is your subjective opinion.

And me comparing Prince favorably to MJ is a subjective opinion.

LISTEN. TO. YOURSELF.


There are many other people that would disagree with that and I am not sure why you made that comparision when I never compared MJ specifically with Prince. I simply mentioned dancers (Nicholas Brothers, Fred Astair, James Brown etc) that are far more superior to Prince and that accurately embody dancing and what is dancing is.

See again Reply #42. You. Mentioned. Michael. Jackson. I appreciate your passion, but own it. You dragged MJ into this.

I never said that Prince wasn't entertaining. He IS entertaining which is why I would call him a entertainer. This whole post just feels like you wanted to trash MJ. I never compared MJ with Prince... at all in this thread. MJ danced in heels and he did the same Ginger Rogers style dancing in the Jackson variety shows. He actually impersonated Fred Astair in a few of them and executed the movements exceptionally well and Fred Astair thought so too.....

See reply #42. Prince did it for decades. MJ, for a handful of shows.

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namepeace said:

You must have forgotten what you said, right? Read your own Reply #42. You even bolded MICHAEL JACKSON 's name!

No, your reading what you want to read into things hun.

I mentioned Michael Jackson's name ALONG with OTHER dancers like Fred Astair, Bojangles, Nicholas Brothers, James Brown or did you choose to ignore the other dancers because you ONLY want to focus Michael Jackson? AGAIN, I mentioned those artists because they were dancers. I NEVER specifically compared Prince dancing with MJ.


Saying Prince never choreographed his dance moves is just false. You HAVE seen his videos, right? "Batdance"? "Thieves In The Temple"? Any of this ringing a bell? Come on.

Not on the intricate level of a dancer where actual dance steps are being choregraphed. AGAIN, I only said that because some were exaggerating Prince dancing skills. Prince has not used more choreographed choreography than improvisation. Even one Prince fan finally noted that.

So if you're not "exceptionally talented" you're not a dancer? Listen to yourself!

I never said that but if some Prince fans are calling him an exceptional dancer or very talented dancer than I think people have a right to critique or challenge that. Dancing was not a skill set of Prince IMHO. Doing a few choreograph moves does not mean that you are a natural dancer and that you are naturally gifted in it.

Prince was an artist. Part of his artistry was dancing onstage, as well as in video and film. That makes him a dancer. It was part of his skill set. And whoever said Prince was superior? I mjst said his performances as a dancer set him apart from Bowie. It doesn't make him better per se. Michael Jackson was more of an entertainer than Prince.

AGAIN, I challenge this premise because people were overexaggerating Prince dancing skills and dancing talent and I think its hyprocritical to compare Prince doing a few choreograph moves with David Bowie (who didn't do choreograph moves). Juding the improvisation and the little dancing Prince did I don't think Prince was all that talented of a dancer (Most people don't view Prince as a dancer for that reason). For as long as I have been living on this earth, I have never heard anybody refer to Prince as a dancer. I think it would be better to compare the musicianship and artistry of both acts since that is where their talents and skills are in.

These comments are very hyprocritical.

If you are going to call Prince a dancer...which YOU did (hypothetically speaking) people have a RIGHT TO THEN compare him to other dancers.

I would NEVER compare Prince to a real dancer because he is not a dancer. That is not his talent or skill set. The ONLY reason why I listed those other acts and artists that dance in THIS THREAD was to give illustrations of real dancing talent and skill.

I personally would also call Prince an entertainer. He was more of an entertainer than a "dancer" thats for sure. Prince was also threatrical on stage and created creative concepts and staging. So yes, he was a entertainer and musician, NOT a dancer.

So you comparing MJ favorably to Prince is a fact. And actually, my comparison of the two has to do with them as artists. Even when discussing MJ, you're being reductionist.

It is a fact because it can be backed up objectively. Its interesting to me that you are going to accuse me of favoring MJ BUT your doing the same thing with Prince. Your favoring Prince over MJ. I am not favoring Michael. I just simply stated that some might disagree with your opinion about Prince being a superior songwriter and producer. Michaels dancing skill set compared to Prince can be backed objectively and you have not compared MJ and Prince as just artists. You have been adament that Prince is a dancer and insisted Prince use choreography like MJ. You even called MJ a entertainer compared to Prince so lets not pretend you have not been comparing them!

LISTEN. TO. YOURSELF.

LISTEN TO YOURSELF

See again Reply #42. You. Mentioned. Michael. Jackson. I appreciate your passion, but own it. You dragged MJ into this.

I don't have to own anything because I mentioned MJ but he wasn't the only act that I mentioned and I never specifically compared Prince with MJ. You're are purposely choosing to only focus on Michael but I mentioned Fred Astair, Bojangles, James Brown, Nicholas Brothers, Cab Colloway, etc. YOU are choosing to only focus on Michael Jackson. You need to own up to your agenda and hang up. Oh and I appreciate your passion too

See reply #42. Prince did it for decades. MJ, for a handful of shows.

I see #42 and I also see FRED ASTAIR, BOJANGLES, NICHOLAS BROTHERS are mentioned in that same post NOT JUST Michael so its weird that you keep focusing on the mention of Michael Jackson. Even in the post NO WHERE is Michael Jackson being compared to Prince.

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CharismaDove said:

mjscarousal said:

I never compared MJ and Prince. Instead of coming half way in a discussion, re-read the entire thread. Ya'll see MJ gifs and automatically assume someone is comparing him with Prince.

^ People in this thread DID call Prince an exceptional dancer compared to Bowie that is the ONLY reason why I said he wasn't really dancer himself.

Just because you do some improv movements and feel yourself with the rhythm of the music does not make you a great dancer. Not everyone who attempts dance moves are good at dancing. I personally do not consider Prince a great dancer. He was not exceptional at it at all. Prince had good rhythm, improvisation and was a genius showman. He was a great artist, musician and entertainer. That is my opinion. I never called Prince JUST a musician. Ive been saying this whole time he was an entertainer.

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I read the thread. I get that you don't think much of Prince's dancing - cool, no one's trying to change your opinion. But you said Prince wasn't a dancer and then put up some MJ dancing pics as if it's supposed to mean something lol. That's my whole point, it doesn't really matter how well Michael, Janet or any of those people dance it doesn't change the fact that Prince is a dancer. It's like me coming in a rock forum and saying thehy can't REALLY play guitar because Prince was a 'real' example of guitar playing -- completely irrelevant

And again nobody's trying to say P is some amazing classic dancer on a Fred Astaire level. The whole point being made was he could've out-danced Bowie any day of the week (God rest their souls). It was simply one advantage he had over him

But Prince can play the guitar exceptionally well (that is one of his SKILL SETS) and he is very respected on most Rock forums so I doubt they would say the bolded.

Let me clarify where I am coming from. I love Prince to death...but some here tried to say since he was a great dancer, he was more talented than David Bowie. That is why I said he really wasn't a dancer himself and it was unfair to say that! I still don't see how Prince doing a few choreograph moves automatically makes him sooooooo superior to David Bowie when he really wasn't much of a dancer himself. Now arguing Prince played more instruments exceptionally well or wrote better music makes more sense to me since they both were musicians or even saying he was a better performer or showman. However, I don't its fair to bring dancing in this debate since they both weren't really exceptionally talented dancers. That was just my only point. I even said Prince had good rhythm and the improv moves he did was good for his shows (I still wouldn't call all of it dance steps though). Dancing was not a skill set of Prince imo. Doing a dance step or move doesnt mean you are skilled or talented at it. It was apart of his show and staging which is why I say the better word should be entertainer.

There is a lot of hyprocrisy in this thread IMHO because if Prince was being compared to a real dancer I know all these comments would be different. If David Bowie's and Prince's primary skills sets (skills that they were gifted at) are musicanship, songwriting, artistry, craft etc why is dancing even being mentioned? Just my 2cents.

MJ was not the only gifs I posted!

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why discuss MJ in a Bowie and Prince thread. Even if it is for stating a point (over and over and over)

Let's focus on the OP question. P of B?

This is a really tough one and seeing I have loads and loads of music, dvd's etc by both. Seen em both live enough times. It's still comparing apples and oranges.

They both reach a different part of your soul. Prince the satyr and dance parts, Bowie the brain and visual experience.

Both are amazing in their craftmanship and know how to keep your attention. I give the edge to Bowie in terms of experimentation and more challenging lyrics. Prince got more stuck in sex, religion and party mode. That being said Prince is the more quirky one infusing his songs with weird sounds and more personality.

Aargh as you can see it's had to choose.

Even live the 2 are in a league of their own. I'll leave it at a tie. Just can't choose!

;S

starbuck said:

why discuss MJ in a Bowie and Prince thread. Even if it is for stating a point (over and over and over)

Let's focus on the OP question. P of B?

This is a really tough one and seeing I have loads and loads of music, dvd's etc by both. Seen em both live enough times. It's still comparing apples and oranges.

They both reach a different part of your soul. Prince the satyr and dance parts, Bowie the brain and visual experience.

Both are amazing in their craftmanship and know how to keep your attention. I give the edge to Bowie in terms of experimentation and more challenging lyrics. Prince got more stuck in sex, religion and party mode. That being said Prince is the more quirky one infusing his songs with weird sounds and more personality.

Aargh as you can see it's had to choose.

Even live the 2 are in a league of their own. I'll leave it at a tie. Just can't choose!

;S

^^^I feel this is an honest expression of the choice of Prince or Bowie conundrum. I've spent some time going back over the web-accesible video of Bowie to remind myself of his lyrical and experimental brilliance, art-house aesthetic, his gender-bending and skill at creating a tension toward making a choice--he was indeed most intriguing. Prince, with his compelling combinations of melody and harmony, shaping of rhythm, sexual and spiritual fervor and gifts of bodily expression; he mugged, he danced-- c'mon, you can't say that he didn't and be completely honest. Bowie eventually would too in his slight manner. Bowie grasped the gravitas of the world and shook it out for us to see, and Prince got the big party in life started over and again! For those of us who tuned into their frequencies, I feel (and think) that they both made us feel more alive!

Germanegro said:

Prince was more visceral and emotion, Bowie was more of an intelectual artist. You cannot compare them, it's like comparing salt with pepper, water with wine, oranges and apples.
I absolutely love both and was devastated by their deaths in 2016.