mjscarousal said:
Instead of saying "I don't like Jay Z", why don't you answer the questions I asked you. If you feel Jay Z is a stronger songwriter than Madonna, George Michael or Nas, why not just list all the Jay Z songs you think are more superior to M, GM or Nas songs? It shouldn't be that hard since you think Jay Z is so much better than them. Jay Z IS a token Black and he is largely successful because of tokenism.
Songwriting is subjective because whatever song I name you will not agree with it because you made it known you don't care for him. And I think Nas is greater than Jay-Z. Not sure where this is going tho. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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Totally agree! He's all hype just like his boring wife. Trolls be gone! | |
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The creativity and the quality of how a song is written is not subjective. So I guess you don't want to answer the question because you know just as well as I know Madonna and George Michael are better songwriters. | |
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The creativity and the quality of how a song is written is not subjective. So I guess you don't want to answer the question because you know just as well as I know Madonna and George Michael are better songwriters. Did you just say songwriting is not subjective. This thread is proof of that. I think Jay is nice, you think the opposite. I'll say this, Jay-Z is higher on an all-time Hip-Hop list than Madonna or George would be on an All-Time pop list. Now that is a fact. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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Hun, this discussion is on SONGWRITING, SONGWRITING...THATS IT.
I asked you to give some songs and examples of this great genius songwriting that Jay Z has done and to explain why you think he is so much better than Madonna and George Michael and you haven't. | |
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mjscarousal said:
Hun, this discussion is on SONGWRITING, SONGWRITING...THATS IT.
I asked you to give some songs and examples of this great genius songwriting that Jay Z has done and to explain why you think he is so much better than Madonna and George Michael and you haven't. As I stated earlier, you already showed your dislike for Jay so I could list every single ine of his songs and you'd shoot them down. And no where did I state that Jay is a better songwriter than Madonna or GM, you said that. FYI, Madonna is #56 on Rolling Stone 100 Greatest Songwriters list, 12 spots in front of Jay-Z #68. But I wonder if you take that as a win for Madonna since you said Madonna is not an industry darling and Rolling Stone mag sucks and they have something against her. Maybe Madonna paid for her spot like Jay did? PRINCE: Always and Forever
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As I stated earlier, you already showed your dislike for Jay so I could list every single ine of his songs and you'd shoot them down. And no where did I state that Jay is a better songwriter than Madonna or GM, you said that. FYI, Madonna is #56 on Rolling Stone 100 Greatest Songwriters list, 12 spots in front of Jay-Z #68. But I wonder if you take that as a win for Madonna since you said Madonna is not an industry darling and Rolling Stone mag sucks and they have something against her. Maybe Madonna paid for her spot like Jay did?
OKAY, Do you think that Jay Z is a better songwriter than Madonna and George Michael?
He was selected to be inducted over them.
Why do you keep citing RS??? Its obvious it means nothing and you are actually proving my point. If RS listed Madonna above Jay Z, why did she not get inducted over him as a songwriter? [Snip- luv4u] | |
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It called the internet [Snip - luv4u]. I did not know I was working on an essay for an English class while typing on my phone. Now get back to pushing your cart down the 101 and trying to make sane people think a barely literate rapper is a great songwriter.
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The two events were tied together. Do you think being a hype man is some sort of musical achievement? | |
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The two events were tied together. Do you think being a hype man is some sort of musical achievement? I statee he started out his career as BDKs hype man. And that is an achievement, from a rappers hype man to being worth almost a billion dollars some 22 years later. And Jay was inducted kast year I believe. But I'm pretty sure this release has more to do with the birth of his twins than this award. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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When people focus on grammer on the internet in a debate they do that because they know they are not intelligent and can't formulate an intelligent argument. So they revert to acting like a 5 year old. That poster is a air head don't pay it any mind but thank you though. You're one of the last intelligent kick ass fonts on here (although we don't agree with everything) I still respect that. [Edited 6/22/17 9:17am] | |
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It's JAY-Z now not Jay Z | |
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Nobody isfocused on grammar until one calls others unintelligent and mispells words lol..basic words and syntax. Thats comedy and hypocrisy at its finestnand lets be clear. You champion only those and that of your opinion. So transparent lol. But with your racist comments and racist feelings youve shown, it's understandable. it's not right, but we understand how you get down (as has been mentioned by a few here in this thread). "Climb in my fur." | |
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LOL the one that is transparent and bothered is you. You do this in every thread. I never called you specifically unintelligent until you started trolling and acting childish in this discussion. So have fun trolling and being simple minded like you have been through out this thread. I have not said any racist comments but because your immature and simple minded this post is not surprising. YA'LL are the ones that are racists. I will never stop calling out the racist industry. Have fun trolling [Edited 6/22/17 10:32am] | |
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I'm glad somebody else sees it "Climb in my fur." | |
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WORD.... but with that said, Jay Z music has declined ever since Just Blaze stopped making beats for him.... because from 1998 to about 2003, Just Blaze, Kanye West, and Bink!, were lacing all the Roc artists with classic beat after classic beat... it was the production that kept mc's like Freeway, JayZ, Beanie Sigel, & Dipset making hits... when Just Blaze left and Kanye became a rapping Kardashian, Jay Z's music suffered ... Jay also dumbed down his flow (either consciously or because he lost a step due to age and comfort)...his wordplay and rhyme patterns and cadences became much more simplistic, starting around the American Gangster Soundtrack album or even Kingdome Come... so i see both sides of the argument as somewhat valid... but Jay was not overrated... hell no... mainstream rap music just became more simple, so Jay traded the complex bars for commercial success... | |
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WORD.... but with that said, Jay Z music has declined ever since Just Blaze stopped making beats for him.... because from 1998 to about 2003, Just Blaze, Kanye West, and Bink!, were lacing all the Roc artists with classic beat after classic beat... it was the production that kept mc's like Freeway, JayZ, Beanie Sigel, & Dipset making hits... when Just Blaze left and Kanye became a rapping Kardashian, Jay Z's music suffered ... Jay also dumbed down his flow (either consciously or because he lost a step due to age and comfort)...his wordplay and rhyme patterns and cadences became much more simplistic, starting around the American Gangster Soundtrack album or even Kingdome Come... so i see both sides of the argument as somewhat valid... but Jay was not overrated... hell no... mainstream rap music just became more simple, so Jay traded the complex bars for commercial success... I agree, Jay was at his best from 94 to the Black Album. He still had gems on every release after and his albums were better than about every other rapper out at that time. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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J z...the z is for. Zzzzzz as in sleep. Not feeling anything about this dude as an entertainer. FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent. | |
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Less than five hours until midnight here full lips, freckles, and upturned nose | |
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I ask this honestly of anybody who'll listen to this album: can you post here if Jay-Z actually says something he hasn't rhymed about since 1998? Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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^ What do you make of my claim that he's the most overrated rapper of all time? my album: https://soundcloud.com/theroseparade
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Dasein said: ^ What do you make of my claim that he's the most overrated rapper of all time? Off all the rappers in the history of the world you think HE is the most overrated? PRINCE: Always and Forever
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Jay Z is nowhere near the most overrated rapper of all time..i agree he has fallen off (but in all fairness, how many 47 year old MCs you know?), but his legacy was cemented by his work from Reasonable Doubt, up until The Black Album, maybe even Kingdom Come....i can name SEVERAL far more "overrated rappers of all time" than Hov...
Eminem Lil Wayne Future T.I. Missy Elliott Snoop Dogg Outkast (both of them)
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Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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mjscarousal said:
But in this case, its appropiate to call Jay Z overrated. He was selected to be inducted in the songwriters Hall of Fame over Madonna and George Michael. That is absurd. nothing absurd about JayZ going in the Hall ahead of George Michael...lets not inflate George Michael's legacy just because he recently passed away...jay was a much more prolific songwriter for himself (and others)...AND he plays the industry "game" better than most...maybe if GM hadnt selfdestructed, it would have garnered him more support... | |
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Jay Z stans boy I tell ya almost as worse as Beyonce stans. Ya'll don't know what real hip hop is. Do you understand the definition of overrated?
No other rapper has as many Grammys as Jay Z.
Jay Z is the most critically acclaimed rapper.
And now he is being inducted in the Songwriters Hall of Fame OVER Madonna and George Michael
By definition, he IS the most overrated rapper. No other rapper has the acclaim and accolades he has and no he is not deserving of it, there are far more talented rappers than him before, during AND after his time. | |
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