Moonbeam said:

Revolver: 2.2
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band: 2.0
Abbey Road: 2.9

Knowing how much you hate The Beatles, I'm surprised you have any of their albums.

Please Please Me - 6
With the Beatles - 7

A Hard Day's Night - 7

The Beatles for Sale - 7

Help! - 7

Rubber Soul - 8

Revolver - 10

Sgt. Pepper - 10

Magical Mystery Tour - 9

The White Album - 10

Abbey Road - 10

Let It Be - 8

214 said:

Adorecream said:

In that case you should include Help!, Rubber Soul and Revolver as by that stage they were on dope at least and I am sure Harrison dropped his first acid sometime around the middle of 66. As John Lennon said himself, by the time they got their OBE in mid 1965, it was joints for breakfast and they were apparently getting smoked up in the Buckingham Palace toilets.

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Even before the mid 60s, they were all drinking like fishes and smoking like chimneys, McCartney's greenie and vegan days were long off in the future.

Exactly

True, true...but there is a big difference in the sound of Help, Revolver & Rubber Soul when compared to Magical Mystery Tour. All of the crazy, wild LSD sounds didnt show up in full force until Sgt Pepper.

sexton said:

Moonbeam said:

Revolver: 2.2
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band: 2.0
Abbey Road: 2.9

Knowing how much you hate The Beatles, I'm surprised you have any of their albums.

I don't have them, but I've heard them.

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Even if you don't like their music, you have to give these dudes their props for their cultural
contributions, which are quite significant.

Please Please Me - 6

With the Beatles - 6

A Hard Day's Night - 8

The Beatles for Sale - 6

Help! - 8

Rubber Soul - 9

Revolver - 10

Sgt. Pepper - 10

Magical Mystery Tour - 10

The White Album - 8

Abbey Road - 8.5

Let It Be - 8

Lammastide said:

Please Please Me - 6

With the Beatles - 6

A Hard Day's Night - 8

The Beatles for Sale - 6

Help! - 8

Rubber Soul - 9

Revolver - 10

Sgt. Pepper - 10

Magical Mystery Tour - 10

The White Album - 8

Abbey Road - 8.5

Let It Be - 8

Care to explain?

Dasein said:

Lammastide said:

Please Please Me - 6

With the Beatles - 6

A Hard Day's Night - 8

The Beatles for Sale - 6

Help! - 8

Rubber Soul - 9

Revolver - 10

Sgt. Pepper - 10

Magical Mystery Tour - 10

The White Album - 8

Abbey Road - 8.5

Let It Be - 8

Care to explain?

I knew that'd get me into trouble.

I can't deny nearly every track on that album is the stuff of genius. Yet, as paisleypark4 suggested above, the disconnect of the band at that moment really bled throughout... and they'd always bowled me over previously as an album band. The White Album, for all its high points, feels to me almost like a sprawling Past Masters singles collection.

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Lammastide said:

Dasein said:

Care to explain?

I knew that'd get me into trouble.

I can't deny nearly every track on that album is the stuff of genius. Yet, as paisleypark4 suggested above, the disconnect of the band at that moment really bled throughout... and they'd always bowled me over previously as an album band. The White Album, for all its high points, feels to me almost like a sprawling Past Masters singles collection.

[Edited 4/16/17 8:34am]

I think the "disconnect of the band" at this moment has no real aural depiction; we know the band
was fracturing because of history's indication, not because "Yer Blues" sounds like it, eg. So, we
tend to import that component into the listening experience when it comes to The White Album.

That being said, it is the one great Beatles album that does play like a singles collection, and that
may be due to the dissolving fraternity. It's hard for a band to present a unified theme when mates
are at odds with each other.

I like it more than Abbey Road and Let it Be because of the sprawl!

UncleJam said:

214 said:

Exactly

True, true...but there is a big difference in the sound of Help, Revolver & Rubber Soul when compared to Magical Mystery Tour. All of the crazy, wild LSD sounds didnt show up in full force until Sgt Pepper.

Disagree.

Dasein said:

Lammastide said:

I knew that'd get me into trouble.

I can't deny nearly every track on that album is the stuff of genius. Yet, as paisleypark4 suggested above, the disconnect of the band at that moment really bled throughout... and they'd always bowled me over previously as an album band. The White Album, for all its high points, feels to me almost like a sprawling Past Masters singles collection.

[Edited 4/16/17 8:34am]

I think the "disconnect of the band" at this moment has no real aural depiction; we know the band
was fracturing because of history's indication, not because "Yer Blues" sounds like it, eg. So, we
tend to import that component into the listening experience when it comes to The White Album.

That being said, it is the one great Beatles album that does play like a singles collection, and that
may be due to the dissolving fraternity. It's hard for a band to present a unified theme when mates
are at odds with each other.

I like it more than Abbey Road and Let it Be because of the sprawl!

Me too, a great collection of songs.

Dasein said:

Lammastide said:

I knew that'd get me into trouble.

I can't deny nearly every track on that album is the stuff of genius. Yet, as paisleypark4 suggested above, the disconnect of the band at that moment really bled throughout... and they'd always bowled me over previously as an album band. The White Album, for all its high points, feels to me almost like a sprawling Past Masters singles collection.

[Edited 4/16/17 8:34am]

I think the "disconnect of the band" at this moment has no real aural depiction; we know the band
was fracturing because of history's indication, not because "Yer Blues" sounds like it, eg. So, we
tend to import that component into the listening experience when it comes to The White Album.

That being said, it is the one great Beatles album that does play like a singles collection, and that may be due to the dissolving fraternity. It's hard for a band to present a unified theme when mates are at odds with each other.

I like it more than Abbey Road and Let it Be because of the sprawl!

Um... exactly.

Lammastide said:

Dasein said:

I think the "disconnect of the band" at this moment has no real aural depiction; we know the band
was fracturing because of history's indication, not because "Yer Blues" sounds like it, eg. So, we
tend to import that component into the listening experience when it comes to The White Album.

That being said, it is the one great Beatles album that does play like a singles collection, and that may be due to the dissolving fraternity. It's hard for a band to present a unified theme when mates are at odds with each other.

I like it more than Abbey Road and Let it Be because of the sprawl!

Um... exactly.

No.

You missed the point, or I did not make it plain, where I said any idea of band dissenion regarding
the White Album has no real aural depiction: you don't listen to the White Album and hear band in-
fighting. Instead, you take what you already know about the Beatles' history during the recording
of the White Album with you to the listening experience. All of this was in response to you saying that
the "disconnect of the band at that moment really bled throughout" and I'm saying, no, it did not, at
least not aurally.

If I gave a Beatles neophyte the White Album, who knew nothing of their history, she would not
mostly wonder if Paul was fighting with John who was fighting with Ringo and that the engineer
wasn't happy and that this double album didn't play as cohesively as their other single LPs after
listening to it, savvy? You can't "hear" that, Lamma!

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Dasein said:

Lammastide said:

Um... exactly.

No.

You missed the point, or I did not make it plain, where I said any idea of band dissenion regarding
the White Album has no real aural depiction: you don't listen to the White Album and hear band in-
fighting. Instead, you take what you already know about the Beatles' history during the recording
of the White Album with you to the listening experience. All of this was in response to you saying that
the "disconnect of the band at that moment really bled throughout" and I'm saying, no, it did not, at
least not aurally.

If I gave a Beatles neophyte the White Album, who knew nothing of their history, she would not
mostly wonder if Paul was fighting with John who was fighting with Ringo and that the engineer
wasn't happy and that this double album didn't play as cohesively as their other single LPs after
listening to it, savvy? You can't "hear" that . . .

I think I understand what you're saying.

It stands to be said that all assessments speak as much to our subjective repeat encounters with a thing as to the objective qualities of said thing. As I comment retrospectively on the work of 50 years ago, I know what I know now about the context in which it was created -- and, yeah, that makes it all too easy to impute certain correlations and causalities.

That said, by way of anecdote, I first encountered the music of The White Album as a kid, long before I'd learn of the studio spats, personal infighting, etc. that dogged its making. The tracks were cool -- and already classic by the time I got to them -- but they never did strike me as being part of a singular aesthetic stream as did the songs of the 3 or 4 albums prior. This is true even as some listeners may argue (and, indeed, some do) that very fact is The White Album's strong suit. It certainly did help the Beatles sidestep criticism of having become a sort of one-trick pony with regard to fanciful concept albums. I guess the prior intentionality just resonates with me, though.

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Dasein said:

Lammastide said:

Um... exactly.

No.

You missed the point, or I did not make it plain, where I said any idea of band dissenion regarding
the White Album has no real aural depiction: you don't listen to the White Album and hear band in-
fighting. Instead, you take what you already know about the Beatles' history during the recording
of the White Album with you to the listening experience. All of this was in response to you saying that
the "disconnect of the band at that moment really bled throughout" and I'm saying, no, it did not, at
least not aurally.

If I gave a Beatles neophyte the White Album, who knew nothing of their history, she would not
mostly wonder if Paul was fighting with John who was fighting with Ringo and that the engineer
wasn't happy and that this double album didn't play as cohesively as their other single LPs after
listening to it, savvy? You can't "hear" that, Lamma!

[Edited 4/17/17 11:07am]

You're absolutely right, but we all do that, give a context to all our experiences, even musical and visual ones.

Please Please Me - 7

With the Beatles- 8

A Hard Days Night- 10

Beatles for Sale - 7

Help- 8

Rubber Soul- 10

Revolver- 10 ++ (One of the 5 greatest albums ever released)

Sgt. Peppers- 8

Magical Mystery Tour- 9

The Beatles- 10

Abbey Road- 10

Let it Be- 8

Moonbeam said:

Revolver: 2.2
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band: 2.0
Abbey Road: 2.9

I'm truly curious- what music or artists do you like ? And what albums (by any artist) do you consider very good or great ?

Lammastide said:

Dasein said:

No.

You missed the point, or I did not make it plain, where I said any idea of band dissenion regarding
the White Album has no real aural depiction: you don't listen to the White Album and hear band in-
fighting. Instead, you take what you already know about the Beatles' history during the recording
of the White Album with you to the listening experience. All of this was in response to you saying that
the "disconnect of the band at that moment really bled throughout" and I'm saying, no, it did not, at
least not aurally.

If I gave a Beatles neophyte the White Album, who knew nothing of their history, she would not
mostly wonder if Paul was fighting with John who was fighting with Ringo and that the engineer
wasn't happy and that this double album didn't play as cohesively as their other single LPs after
listening to it, savvy? You can't "hear" that . . .

I think I understand what you're saying.

It stands to be said that all assessments speak as much to our subjective repeat encounters with a thing as to the objective qualities of said thing. As I comment retrospectively on the work of 50 years ago, I know what I know now about the context in which it was created -- and, yeah, that makes it all too easy to impute certain correlations and causalities.

That said, by way of anecdote, I first encountered the music of The White Album as a kid, long before I'd learn of the studio spats, personal infighting, etc. that dogged its making. The tracks were cool -- and already classic by the time I got to them -- but they never did strike me as being part of a singular aesthetic stream as did the songs of the 3 or 4 albums prior. This is true even as some listeners may argue (and, indeed, some do) that very fact is The White Album's strong suit. It certainly did help the Beatles sidestep criticism of having become a sort of one-trick pony with regard to fanciful concept albums. I guess the prior intentionality just resonates with me, though.

[Edited 4/18/17 19:20pm]

I hear ya!

fortuneandserendipity said:

ufoclub said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Abbey Road always fares well in US polls. I've seen it rated top 10 all time, I'm just not sure why! For me it's a clusterfuck of an album. There's great music but also a lot I don't like. The snob in me says if the Beatles had been classically trained it would been edited down and come out a lot better. But hey, George Martin was producer so maybe I'm wrong, or maybe Martin wasn't 'executive producer' as such - So the Beatles decided what to include?

Revolver and Sgt. Pepper both achieved their lofty ambition. The Beatles' last recording was Abbey Road and the ideas occasionally sound too high for their station, in total contrast to Let It Be which is the Beatles pared down and not trying too hard, but sounding better for it. IMO

Woah der.... Abbey Road is far better to my ears than Let It Be.... Octopus's Garden withstanding.

I for one think that Rubber Soul could have been a much better album if Work It Out and Day Tripper had been on it. The same with Revolver if Paperback Writer and Rain had been included, Sgt. thje same with the inclusion of Strawberry, PEnny Lane and probably Fool On The Hill.

214 said:

I for one think that Rubber Soul could have been a much better album if Work It Out and Day Tripper had been on it. The same with Revolver if Paperback Writer and Rain had been included, Sgt. thje same with the inclusion of Strawberry, PEnny Lane and probably Fool On The Hill.

Dasein said:

214 said:

I for one think that Rubber Soul could have been a much better album if Work It Out and Day Tripper had been on it. The same with Revolver if Paperback Writer and Rain had been included, Sgt. thje same with the inclusion of Strawberry, PEnny Lane and probably Fool On The Hill.

What? you don't like my idea, don't be shy speak your mind, you are good at.

214 said:

Dasein said:

What? you don't like my idea, don't be shy speak your mind, you are good at.

No; your idea is actually intriguing and interesting.

Dasein said:

214 said:

What? you don't like my idea, don't be shy speak your mind, you are good at.

No; your idea is actually intriguing and interesting.

Give it a try and you will see. Actually Abbey Road withsome of the White Album tracks sounds much better. For example Dear Prudence and then Here Comes The Sun sounds quite right.

Please Please Me - 5

With The Beatles - 6

A Hard Day's Night - 8

Beatles For Sale - 7

Help! - 6

Rubber Soul - 8

Revolver - 10

Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band - 9

The Beatles - 8

Yellow Submarine - 4

Abbey Road - 7

Let It Be - 6

Q. What goes bump in the night?

A. MJ playing under the covers