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Some people are trendy and then there's those who change culture. #LegendsHonorLegends #MichaelJackson #TBT 
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I have to go with Madonna. She stretched herself as an artist way more than Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson was Michael Jackson, Madonna was every woman.... 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Good for you. | |
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But what about the fishmongers? Will someone please think of the fishmongers??? Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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I know ....that is why I said the majority of the his estate's income comes from the Beatles catalog (because it was sold/bought). I mentioned that Prince and David Bowie have outsold Jackson since their deaths...because Forbes Magazine reported it. | |
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No....they have not.
I love Prince to bits but yall Prince fans just go WAY WAY WAY too too far with this Prince vs MJ crap. Prince has NEVER outsold Michael in records in any shape or form. | |
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Don't disrepect me like that ! I am a music fan - I am a fanatic, of no one !! Go and read Forbes they report on dead celebrities every year. Bowie and Prince have replace Jackson and Elvis since their deaths, by selling more records in past year. | |
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How is it disrespectful to say what your saying is false? I am sorry but that is not disrespectful.
I think this is what you are referring too. Prince was the highest back catalog artist last year in 2016 mainly because of his death.
However, Prince nor David Bowie have not surpassed MJ in overall album sales which is what you implied and that is false and ridiculous. MJ is the biggest solo act ever and Prince and David Bowie are no where on this list or ahead of him. I read some where he surpassed Elvis I just need to find the receipt. http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/6812781/michael-jackson-thriller-30x-multi-platinum-album; https://en.wikipedia.org/...ic_artists
I thinik its impressive MJ has charted every year and he has been deceased for 8 years now.
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Madonna was the #2 most succesful artist on the music charts world wide for 3 decades. Prince was the most successful artist of the 80's both on the billboard charts and world wide. World wide - Prince had 5 #1 albums and 28 top 20 singles, Madonna had 3 #1 albums and 24 top 20 singles, U2 had 4 #1 albums and 16 top 20 singles, MJ had 2 #1 albums and 23 top 20 singles, Bruce Springsteen had 3 #1 albums and 17 top 20 singles. https://tsort.info/music/...rtists.htm | |
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LMAO | |
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I know ....that is why I said the majority of the his estate's income comes from the Beatles catalog (because it was sold/bought). I mentioned that Prince and David Bowie have outsold Jackson since their deaths...because Forbes Magazine reported it. [/quotePrince has only outsold Michael since he died One year ago. Billboard stated at the time of Prince's death that he still did NOT outsell Michael when he died. So you are not telling the truth. Btw, Michael has been gone almost years and he is STILL # 5 on the list without releasing any new music. Let that sink into your head and then come back with your assertion that Prince and David Bowie have outsold Michael. It's pathetic how you detractors have to try and diminish Michael to build up Prince or anyone else. [Edited 4/23/17 22:19pm] | |
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^That poster implied Prince outsold MJ's record sales which is false. O well whatever makes them sleep better at night. | |
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Yes you are right, it is impressive MJ continues to chart years after his death. BAD recently went diamond and Thriller was certified multiplantinum for the 30th time and OTW charted last year. Lets see if Prince will have the same success 8 years from now.mjscarousal said: ^That poster implied Prince outsold MJ's record sales which is false. O well whatever makes them sleep better at night.  | |
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Record sales is not any indication of an album's artistic merit. So the fact that Jackson has outsold my album: https://soundcloud.com/theroseparade
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Shhhhhhh.......folks don't want to hear that FACT. FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent. | |
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Graycap23 said:
Shhhhh.....folks don't want to hear that FACT. | |
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No one suggested MJ was a "better artist" than Prince, so why do you think correcting someone on a false statement is the same as suggesting one artist is better than another? | |
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Both! Enough said! | |
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HAPPYPERSON said: Dance Hall of Fame Inductees. Most are from the area of classical dances, like ballet and stuff. I think MJ is the only one from popular music. So what makes Michael unique? Why are there ongoing disputes, for example, that his dancing contains so many sexual moves yet they never make him look vulgar – a vulgarity that can be seen in so many other performers? Why are his contributions to the art of dance considered so invaluable that this pop star can be placed alongside the great masters of ballet or folk dancing? Michael Jackson stands out among all stage performers of his generation and those that followed. It is often said that many pop entertainers draw on Michael because he created a standard. Still, many seem to draw on the wrong things. Michael was notable for his absolute belief in what he was doing. He always had a sincere and sparkling artistry, while contemporary pop performers mostly look like beautifully designed clockwork dolls and not charismatic entertainers. I don’t know why this is so, but I suspect the trouble is not in a lack of talent but in the fact that the pop stage has once and for all taken to manufacturing an average glamour ideal. Mostly, these new “stars” create an impression of Barbie dolls: all of them pretty, all of them capable, but lacking passion… Nothing exciting is going on. There is nothing that can shock or surprise us anymore – all revolutions are past. That is the overall feeling. Honestly, it’s sad to see that they are deprived of a true, live creative process and consciously make a product of themselves. A product and not a creator, even a small one. It is strange that the industry keeps dictating this kind of taste and selecting this kind of material for its star factory. But after all, a genius is only a genius if it is rare. The second, and perhaps the more interesting factor, is that fundamentally, Michael Jackson is not a pop figure. Yes, he worked within the framework of popular mass culture, but he didn’t belong to pop art on the basis of his mentality. I would even say this was his tragedy, of which he was not guilty, of course. The pop culture framework, on the one hand, allowed him to break all possible sales records and reach out to millions of people with simple and inspiring ideas. On the other hand, his talent was confined to that framework, so in the end, certain facets of his artistry didn’t fully manifest and went mostly unnoticed by the general public. The image of a pop singer prevented some people from taking him seriously. This was unfortunate, and I’ll say it once again: it was not his fault. The blame lies with the narrow-mindedness of society. His figure had too many contradictions for people to perceive him adequately. He combined traits of antipodal conventional types ingrained in popular mythology, and this eventually brought harsh trials and a tragic end upon him. In conclusion, I will say the obvious: being a genius, Michael wasn’t supposed to conform to any standards. As Niccolo Paganini said, “Talent is not loved, and genius is hated.” By the way, the lives of Paganini and Jackson had many parallels. I saw Black or White for the first time in its full version in the early 1990s, when the video had just been released. I wasn’t really interested in Michael Jackson at that time. I was very young and far from mass culture. My idols were representatives of “high” dance genres: great performers of ballet, flamenco, and other classic traditions. However, the second half of Black or White, commonly called the panther dance, shocked me. I still believe it is one of Michael’s best dances – a pure torrent of aggressive passion, even if played for the camera on purpose. It is the kind of improvised dance that goes back to dance’s original source. It is an absolutely unique case in contemporary pop culture of true, passionate, and spiritual dance; it cannot be seen anywhere else in this sphere. In most instances all we see is gymnastics or vulgar hip swaying, while the elegant tap of dancers like Fred Astaire has become a thing of the past. Real, pure ecstasy is virtually absent from the pop stage. After seeing the video I wanted to say, “Bravo, Michael!” even though I wasn’t a fan of his at the time. In just a few minutes this man, the only person in the pop sphere who possessed this primordial sincerity, did something vitally important that had not been done by any stage performer with international fame. He placed ecstatic improvisation in the spotlight, featuring it in the video that apparently had no relation to it and was built on positive themes such as boyish jokes and uniting nations. The contrast was striking and even wild, incomprehensible for the common viewer, causing wide controversy and even hostility. Perhaps such a contrast and the contradictory design of the short film were created by Michael intuitively. Perhaps he hoped that his stream of consciousness would once again shock the public. Michael generally referenced a lot of archetypal images in his art, which made it extremely rich and fascinating – unlike many of the sickly-sweet pop images of the modern stage. It includes his elusive and mysterious love of the Moon, which lent its name to his choreographic specialty, the moonwalk. By pure intuition. We should remember that in art, spirituality is primary, and technique is secondary. Sports are different – in sports, technique is primary – but dancing is not a sport. Michael Jackson had what it takes in terms of artistic gift. Many of his moves looked so brilliant, smooth, and talented not because he was technically skilled (although he was certainly capable) but because he lived through every movement. His entire being participated, including his subconsciousness, producing this perfect union of plastique and music. Unfortunately, this is not something one can learn. This is natural talent. By the way, Michael was not the most technically proficient dancer in the world. He never performed jumps with splits, never hit fifty steps per second and never did 32 fouettés in a row, although sometimes he did things amazing for a human body. Without a doubt, there are many contemporary dancers, especially young ones, who do what Michael could never have done. But even so, we call him great, and those other dancers are just common extras for us. Why is this so? I’ll say it again: the reason is the artistic gift, the energy, the shamanic sorcery and charisma. Grandeur on stage starts not when the dancer can do a somersault flying three meters above the stage. That is circus acrobatics. Technique is only a means used by the art of dance. Talent in this art form originates not from technique but from the ability to speak and paint with your body, to express nuances and find an individual style of your body movement. An artist achieves complete grandeur in dance if he can transform a tiny gesture into a small spectacle, a sacred act. Michael Jackson knew how to do it. That’s why he was a genius. I remember how it jarred on me when I heard people talk about his excessive fame. They argued, for example, that the moonwalk wasn’t even created by Michael himself but was Marcel Marceau’s move. Well, if we dig into history, we discover this move existed long before Marceau. Also, being a dancer myself, I can say that the moonwalk is just a fetish in an individual dancing style – the Michael Jackson dance. There is an interesting trick in choreography, used by many, that involves finding an original memorable move and showcasing it at the culmination of a performance. This move has to be unique or funny, but it doesn’t have to be technically complex. To find such a move can be a merit in itself – because it’s not easy. This is the case of the moonwalk: it is quite a simple movement that can be learned by any person who can more or less control his or her body. I don’t refer to the advanced versions, such as the side slide or circular moonwalk – those are more difficult. But the classic moonwalk (i.e., walking backwards) can be performed even by an amateur. Yes, it is unusual, and you have to understand the principle of the move to repeat it. But that’s all it takes. Michael’s dancing demonstrates so much more serious plastique and technique that, compared to them, the moonwalk is just a trifle. Look at the way he controls his body, his coordination, his sense of rhythm! And his spins! They are simply incredible! This is something only a very gifted professional can do. Still, the moonwalk is the move that people call “sensational.” That’s a purely social effect – instigated by artistic wit and a talented choreographic choice. To perform such an odd element at a historic Motown anniversary, to make it memorable and pour so much energy into it – it paid off. When journalists talk about Michael’s dancing, they usually cite the moonwalk as his special achievement in dancing technique. The moonwalk may be a historical event; however, it’s not his main contribution to the art of dance. His contributions extend far beyond that. They are not just in specific elements of dance, but, first and foremost, in his prominent style, his rich and expressive body language, and his unique approach to dancing. There are many good dancers, but only few of them are Artists and Entertainers. The genre and scale of popularity don’t matter. What’s important is how much the entertainer devotes himself to his art, to what extent he realizes his great gift and how much of it he shares with the audience. The gift is not just talent or brilliance. The gift is an opportunity to become a servant of dance with the help of your God-given talent, loving it and sensing its sacred and universal meaning. Michael Jackson was one of those dancing poets who loved the dance selflessly and brought its essence on stage. He brought a spark to viewers that took them beyond conventional limits, allowing them to connect with the sphere of frenzied energy, emotion and beauty that cannot be perceived by logic, but can only be felt. He could bare emotions and find incredible details in the stream of improvisation like only a rare dancer – and no other pop performer – can. The spirituality and aesthetics he brought on pop stage were unique and unprecedented. The complexity and yet the simplicity of what he was doing fused into something brilliant. In his genre, he will remain unmatched for a very long time. I’d like everyone to understand that, and not just his fans.
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The things I've seen people post in this thread is insane. Some of y'all just don't want to give Mike the credit that he's due no matter what. He is the most influential. People in about every genre of music have credited him as an influence, and he's influential even outside of the realm of music. Kobe Bryant recently stated that Michael was his greatest mentor and his biggest influence. He said in the past that people would expect him to say another basketball player, but he always said Michael. Same thing for his dancing. Nobody has mentioned Misty Copeland, but she was in Spikes OTW documentary, and she even stated that Mike was the reason she wanted to dance and he was one of her biggest influences. And as a side note, Michael didn't just call himself the King of Pop out of nowhere. The media was already doing that as far back as 1984. That Liz Taylor angle people like to throw in is nonsense. Can't help that he just capitalized on what was already being stated. | |
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But I never mentioned it first. A poster made an inaccurate comment about Prince record sales compared to MJ. They introduced the comparision, I didn't. I just simply disagreed with it. | |
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Well stated!!!! | |
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Man, this thread is still going on? The answer is easily Michael. No hate on Madonna either but it's not close. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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4You92 said: The things I've seen people post in this thread is insane. Some of y'all just don't want to give Mike the credit that he's due no matter what. Do we have any evidence of this?He is the most influential. People in about every genre of music have credited him as an influence, and he's influential even outside of the realm of music. Kobe Bryant recently stated that Michael was his greatest mentor and his biggest influence. He said in the past that people would expect him to say another basketball player, but he always said Michael. Same thing for his dancing. Nobody has mentioned Misty Copeland, but she was in Spikes OTW documentary, and she even stated that Mike was the reason she wanted to dance and he was one of her biggest influences. And as a side note, Michael didn't just call himself the King of Pop out of nowhere. The media was already doing that as far back as 1984. That Liz Taylor angle people like to throw in is nonsense. Can't help that he just capitalized on what was already being stated. | |
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Come on now.. Take off your Euro centered glasses People ain't lying when they say MJ has fans ALL over the world and of ALL ages. In fact, in many foreign countries, MJ's THE icon of popular music, like him or not. Madonna'a core audience is white women and gays.. she would have trouble getting MJ'a fans but not the other way around. Madonna is great for all she's done. Don't do her the disservice of comparing her influence/success to someone who devoted every iota of himself to the Biz since he was 5. Poor Prince always had to be the opposing side in these MJ fights (and btw Prince's sales aren't stopping anytime soon.. idk who said he's outselling Mike, but the circumstances of his death (which have made him more mysterious and historic than he was in life) will ensure he keeps selling records if the estate doesn't fuck uo. Maybe  do, just not like did before  | |
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You better go off! You said that! | |
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