Dasein said:

4You92 said:

Dasein said: So being a more covered band is an example of influence but trying to sound like you and emulate you in their music isn't? Please go take a seat. You are pressed and don't want to deal with that fact.

This post makes no sense. Can you re-word it, or clarify?

Yes; a band that is the most covered band of all time as indicated by an organization which tracks
such things lends itself easily to drawing an inference that the band is influential amongst other re-
cording artists.

The part of your post where you state: "but trying to sound like you and emulate you in their music
isn't?" makes no sense to me.

And yet, if lots of artists come forward saying here and there that Michael Jackson has been a great influence in their music and industry that does not mean a thing, right?

4You92 said:

Dasein said:

Sigh, you're another Orger who thinks that having the "right", so to speak, to an opinion means
that we have to take your opinion seriously.

Wrong.

You are free to have the opinion that the Earth is flat. But that's doesn't mean that we ought to take
your opinion seriously, and/or, that we can't tell you that your opinion is dumb. So, you can't rely
upon this right for having an opinion in a debate or conversation alone. You must provide reasons
why you have an opinion.

When you say: "In my lifetime, I have never known an artist, singer, entertainer who has permeated
music, pop culture, etc. in every age group, race, country, socio-economic level as Michael has on a
GLOBAL scale", how are you able to say this? What evidence do you have that Michael Jackson did
such things? What graph or evidence or sources do you have that rated Michael Jackson as such and
over and beyond a competitor, like, Elvis Presley or the Beatles or {fill in the blanks}?

All you and others are saying in this thread, without any proof to justify your opinion, is:

I just really, really, really like Michael Jackson and prefer him over all other recording artists and be-
cause he was really, really, really popular, I think he was the most influential pop music icon, even
though I can rely upon no scientific evidence to substantiate this opinion.

Besides, the Beatles have sold billions of albums, leaving Michael Jackson behind - I've posted the
sources for supporting this claim. The Beatles are the most covered band of all time, also leaving
Michael Jackson behind - I've posted the sources for supporting this claim too. With these two facts
in place, I'm much more comfortable with the notion of the Beatles being the most influential pop
musicians of all time than I am with Michael Jackson. But, I can be swayed if given new evidence!

LOL!!!!! You only like the information you bring to the table and have closed your ears to everything else.

(1) Never mind the fact that Michael has already been reported to have crossed the billion mark himself,
(2) and the only reason why they Beatles have a bit more is because they were out when singles were the popular thing to buy and they have myriads of the.
(3) Never mind the fact that the industry is pretty much based on Michaels success at this point.
(4) Never mind the fact You hear more artists say they are influenced by Michael Jackson than you hear anyone claim the Beatles.
(5) Michael has monuments and statues all over the world.
(6) People copying him all over the world. Nah. It's as I though. You're looking for attention.


(7) Nothing will ever sway you.

(1) Please provide a source.
(2) Please provide a source.

(3) Please provide a source.

(4) Please provide a source.

(5) Please provide a source.

(6) Please provide a source.

(7) Provided sources will sway me. I have said this now for the fourth time: I will change my mind
about Michael Jackson not being the most influential pop music icon of all time if someone presents
evidence to suggest otherwise.

214 said:

Dasein said:

This post makes no sense. Can you re-word it, or clarify?

Yes; a band that is the most covered band of all time as indicated by an organization which tracks
such things lends itself easily to drawing an inference that the band is influential amongst other re-
cording artists.

The part of your post where you state: "but trying to sound like you and emulate you in their music
isn't?" makes no sense to me.

And yet, if lots of artists come forward saying here and there that Michael Jackson has been a great influence in their music and industry that does not mean a thing, right?

Of course it means something, just like the Beatles being the most covered band of all time means
something, which is that we can make inferences about their popularity. But are we asking who is
the most influential pop music icon with fans or with other recording artists? And how do you accu-
rately measure "influence"? The sources I've posted indicate the Beatles have sold the most albums
of all time (in the billions) and are the most covered band of all time. I can with more justification
use those facts to infer they are more influential among fans and other recording artists than Michael
Jackson was, which means I can with more justification use those facts to claim the Beatles were
more influential than Michael Jackson overall (with fans and other recording artists).

I'm not trying to diss Michael Jackson, but I am most certainly trying to diss bad opinions that have
no evidential support. And I am no idol-worshipper, either, which may be why some folks in this
thread do not like what I have to say about Michael Jackson.

Anyways, with the sources I've posted, I can safely infer and/or conclude that Michael Jackson, with
the number of total albums sold and the number of times his songs have been covered by other re-
cording artists, is probably one of the top five most influential pop recording artist(s) of all time.

Here's another stat (or, FACT) that we ought to use to determine influence among fans, at least, and
that is the total number of fans who have purchased tickets to see a live show. But, again, I'm the
only one in this thread who is actually trying to be rational about this. You Orgers do not like to use
your noggins for anything other than for listening to music.

Dasein said:

214 said:

And yet, if lots of artists come forward saying here and there that Michael Jackson has been a great influence in their music and industry that does not mean a thing, right?

Of course it means something, just like the Beatles being the most covered band of all time means
something, which is that we can make inferences about their popularity. But are we asking who is
the most influential pop music icon with fans or with other recording artists? And how do you accu-
rately measure "influence"? The sources I've posted indicate the Beatles have sold the most albums
of all time (in the billions) and are the most covered band of all time. I can with more justification
use those facts to infer they are more influential among fans and other recording artists than Michael
Jackson was, which means I can with more justification use those facts to claim the Beatles were
more influential than Michael Jackson overall (with fans and other recording artists).

I'm not trying to diss Michael Jackson, but I am most certainly trying to diss bad opinions that have
no evidential support. And I am no idol-worshipper, either, which may be why some folks in this
thread do not like what I have to say about Michael Jackson.

Anyways, with the sources I've posted, I can safely infer and/or conclude that Michael Jackson, with
the number of total albums sold and the number of times his songs have been covered by other re-
cording artists, is probably one of the top five most influential pop recording artist(s) of all time.

Here's another stat (or, FACT) that we ought to use to determine influence among fans, at least, and
that is the total number of fans who have purchased tickets to see a live show. But, again, I'm the
only one in this thread who is actually trying to be rational about this. You Orgers do not like to use
your noggins for anything other than for listening to music.

Fair enough, but if you want proof that's what internet is for, go and get them. Only it really matter is that he is my favorite artist in the world. Btw The Beatles are there as well.