RJOrion said:

Eminem has even gone on record saying that his rap style was inspired by Masta Ace and Treach...Eminem didnt break any new ground creatively...he fell off after the Marshall Mathers lp (his second), and became a caricature of himself...strangely enough, thats about when the fame and overstated accolades started...his first 2 lps were cool...but thats about it...he BEEN runnin on fumes...

Cypress Hill was NOT white...B-Real is half mexican half cuban, and Sen-Dog is afro-cuban...DjMuggs was white but he was neither the face nor voice of the group

Tue dat my bad. i don't listen to them at all but from memory as a kid they were one of the very few that were indeed different than Beastie Boys and Ice but realistically I didnt know their races honestly.

It's odd that even though his later albums still sold very well despite them being not as classic as the first three, nobody can understate him; as seen in the topic video. Eminem indeed always gave credit to his influences and comings up.

mechanicalemotion17 said:

RJOrion said:

Eminem has even gone on record saying that his rap style was inspired by Masta Ace and Treach...Eminem didnt break any new ground creatively...

oh, right...the two guys that received the blessings of hip hop from the ether? or were they also inspired by their forebears?

and i don't think anybody has made the claim that eminem broke new ground, only that his talent is fer real.

and with that, ima dip. this is getting circular. it's clear that taste is what's being argued here. horses for courses...

Didn't freedom die?

peedub said:

i think mtv oughtta be a larger part of ya'lls conversation regarding who was responsible for popularizing hip hop amongst the white youth...you've got to consider that mtv had a national audience. kids were no longer limited to whatever the local radio market decided to pump out or to their parent's generational record collections.

beastie boys, run dmc, epmd, grandmaster flash, 3rd bass, blondie, fat boys, nwa, 2 live crew...too many to mention. then later dre, snoop and all the death row imitators. it was never a single artist of any race. mtv brought all of it to an audience that would never be exposed to it unless they made a wrong turn off the highway and ended in the wrong part of town while they were on vacation far from home.

it was a different time and things happened differently. you all seem to be looking through the lens of the way things are now is the way it's always been.

as far as eminem is concerned...by the time he came along, i think most folks were already hip hop fans if they were going to be. i'm not a huge fan, really, but i had enough hip hop exposure to hear about him when he was still just releasing mix tapes. dude's got skills and he's funny as fuck. i don't think him being white is a factor in anything. people just gotta have something to bitch about.

Yes, and it's always the blacks who bitch the most (in this case).

214 said:

peedub said:

i think mtv oughtta be a larger part of ya'lls conversation regarding who was responsible for popularizing hip hop amongst the white youth...you've got to consider that mtv had a national audience. kids were no longer limited to whatever the local radio market decided to pump out or to their parent's generational record collections.

beastie boys, run dmc, epmd, grandmaster flash, 3rd bass, blondie, fat boys, nwa, 2 live crew...too many to mention. then later dre, snoop and all the death row imitators. it was never a single artist of any race. mtv brought all of it to an audience that would never be exposed to it unless they made a wrong turn off the highway and ended in the wrong part of town while they were on vacation far from home.

it was a different time and things happened differently. you all seem to be looking through the lens of the way things are now is the way it's always been.

as far as eminem is concerned...by the time he came along, i think most folks were already hip hop fans if they were going to be. i'm not a huge fan, really, but i had enough hip hop exposure to hear about him when he was still just releasing mix tapes. dude's got skills and he's funny as fuck. i don't think him being white is a factor in anything. people just gotta have something to bitch about.

Yes, and it's always the blacks who bitch the most (in this case).

Who's bitching? It seems like you're the one with the damn problem trying to legitimize Eminem

position in the rap game. If he is considered a great rapper by you or the masses so be it. Eminem's past success doesn't bother me anymore than 50 Cent whose music I don't care for either. I can easily tune them both out. It seems to me that a few people had differing opinions that you didn't want to hear and appears you're the one bothered and you're throwing accusations of racism into it. It may just be that you're the one with the race problem. Get over yourself everyone on the org isn't a damn Eminem fan and it has nothing to do with race just like everyone on the org isn't all in on Prince and MJ.

By the way did you take a poll of whom you claim to be bitching to determine if they are black?

That' s an assinine comment coming from you and believe me I'm being nice as I can about it.

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214 said:

phunkdaddy said:

214 said:

Yes, and it's always the blacks who bitch the most (in this case).

Who's bitching? It seems like you're the one with the damn problem trying to legitimize Eminem

position in the rap game. If he is considered a great rapper by you or the masses so be it. Eminem's past success doesn't bother me anymore than 50 Cent whose music I don't care for either. I can easily tune them both out. It seems to me that a few people had differing opinions that you didn't want to hear and appears you're the one bothered and you're throwing accusations of racism into it. It may just be that you're the one with the race problem. Get over yourself everyone on the org isn't a damn Eminem fan and it has nothing to do with race just like everyone on the org isn't all in on Prince and MJ.

By the way did you take a poll of whom you claim to be bitching to determine if they are black?

That' s an assinine comment coming from you and believe me I'm being nice as I can about it.

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Nah this is what started that:

mechanicalemotion17 said:

Like Elvis and Vanilla Ice before him...Eminem is highly overrated. Another great white hope nothing more nothing less. Dre cosigned and Blacks fell for it lock, stock, and barrel.

Mechanical Emotion hiding under a rock after that messy ass comment, and 214 that was rude still.

mechanicalemotion17 said:

Sorry, I don't live here. I stand by my comment--you don't intimidate me fanboy-foo --Fuck outta here witcho corny ass gifs like a female expecting anyone to take your effeminate opinion seriously on a mans' subject. I will not engage in your boy-bitchness ... [Edited 1/25/17 13:10pm]

Nah fuck that what gets me is people coming into a thread about Eminem when sound like you hardlly are a fan of Eminem throwing racial shade but have nothing to back up with it. Effeminate my ass your behind got clocked; next time bring your ASCAP and BMI receipts on things you don't understand. "Black people fell for it" go on the corner of W 120th in Harlem in a bowtie with that mess.

mechanicalemotion17 said:

https://whatwentwrongwith...th-eminem/

racist and sexist post...

I'm all for black pride as an African American male, but not the degredation of other persons due to race. That makes one a hypocrite. Now the term "whitewashing" is an actual subject as seen in Egyptian historical memoribilia come to life on television but not in this case....Emeinem did not "whitewash" anything as he stand with the greats of rap who are 95% African American so.... Replace these words with black and shit would hit the fan..

Let me see what else you posted...

As a Prince fan who is an ambiguous artist, I'm suprised you are in here....

mechanicalemotion17 said:

http://www.blerdsonline.c...d.html?m=1

The biggest reason he's overrated, his fans. They're white people, who hold up his lyrical content as the greatest because he doesn't talk about things that make them uncomfortable. Somehow they believe Eminem is a much more lyrical artist because he doesn't say the word nigga as much as someone like Nas, Jay Z, Kendrick Lamar, Ice Cube, Rakim etc. Do you see where I'm going with this. His fans are the same people that leave comments on country covers of rap songs like "this is what real music sounds like." His fans are the same "progressive" white people who support Bernie Sanders but are quick to yell "all lives matter," or tell you why Bernie Sanders is blacker than you.

This post is more legitimate.

Eminem even knows he fell off, but in a sense that is what makes him interesting. In all of his albums he talk about his career paths, ups and downs from how he started doing drugs again because he didnt know what else to write about, to talking about rehab, to wondering if he should start shit with Kanye West (who now has more classic albums and productions than many other rap artists) and Lil' Wayne to revive his career when it was panned by the release of "Relapse" (which I liked imo). I don't think you really know him as a artist. Is it his fault his fans (he has a larger fan base than all other white rappers) racked up his albums instead of illegally downloading them especially at a time when there was no social media? Who are you really mad at?

You as a non fan I feel are speaking out the outside looking in. Literally, If you don't own every album, listened to each song...your message is not clear. Some other people who dont like him might listen but...i dunno dude you are reaching.

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paisleypark4 said:

mechanicalemotion17 said:

paisleypark4 said:

mechanicalemotion17 said:

paisleypark4 said:

mechanicalemotion17 said:

paisleypark4 said:

mechanicalemotion17 said:

paisleypark4 said:

And still on stage with other pioneers just last month with Biz Markie, Shante and always mad respect from Nas and the like. U lost credit with your racist shit have several seats.

"Go have SEVERAL seats"??? Wha?? Seriously....are you male or female? What man says that shit? Who gives a fuck about YOU acknowledging my credibility? Certainly not I... that's for sure. The one who loses all credibility in this conversations is the self-proclaimed 'so-called' Black man who calls someone racist for pointing out white cultural appropriation. Keep living in la-la land and continue being brain dead. Truth is truth

Am I black or white

Am I straight or gay?

Its not white cultural appropriation when his top fan base are part of the majority in the country dude. That was just bound to happen. His credibility in rap however needs to further comment as stated in the posters video.

Now these days I like Kanye and Common even more than Eminem but his talent, history and craft can't be denied as evidenced by Campaign Speech recently.

Eminem is the English language's greatest rap wordsmith. If you try to deny that then you're definitely not listening to what he's saying. That "Campaign Speech" is downright peerless. Every word fits PERFECTLY within the sentence and construct. I doubt Jay-Z has EVER done anything like that. I know DAMN well Kanye cannot do that!! So to compare those two to Eminem is utterly ridiculous. And like Eminem said in the song, with all these third, fourth, fifth, and sixth-rate rappers trying to come for him, they better get REAL careers first before they even try to do something like that.

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JasonWill1980 said:

Eminem is the English language's greatest rap wordsmith. If you try to deny that then you're definitely not listening to what he's saying. That "Campaign Speech" is downright peerless. Every word fits PERFECTLY within the sentence and construct. I doubt Jay-Z has EVER done anything like that. I know DAMN well Kanye cannot do that!! So to compare those two to Eminem is utterly ridiculous. And like Eminem said in the song, with all these third, fourth, fifth, and sixth-rate rappers trying to come for him, they better get REAL careers first before they even try to do something like that.

[Edited 1/26/17 10:38am]

Jay and Kanye don't have tracks like this under their belt. They more so have structured forms of rap like most mainstream artists. What Kanye has on Em is structure in his albums, sound and themes. Something Em has lacked more recently being that he is not a very thorough producer like Kanye. Jay has great songwriting ability, especially catchy club hip hop tunes and had written hits for others especially Foxy Brown. They each bring theor own talent to the table. Eminems flow is just crazy and cannot be denied. Thats why everybody shook about him still especially younger hip hop acts.

phunkdaddy said:

JasonWill1980 said:

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