laurarichardson said:

Dasein said:

Pandering does not mean kissing butt, Laura. It means to provide gratification for others'
desires. Miles Davis was intentionally making a record he hoped white people would buy as
it pertains to Kind of Blue; not solely, mind you, but there was some pandering to white America
with its creation. Davis actually came out towards of the end of his career and was slightly
disparaging about Kind of Blue because it was an overt pandering to his white audience!

Perhaps your misunderstanding of the word "pandering" is what is the hiccup here?

I have never read anywhere that Miles Davis had anything bad to say about Kind If Blue. When you say pandering to whites you are saying he was trying to please whites to sell records that is buttkissig. Any I question anyone who wants to put a race label on music. Funny you are on Prince org doing this when Prince fought so hard against this.

I believe Miles Davis said as much in his autobiography. When I say Davis was mostly pandering
to white people, I do not mean he was kissing their butts. I have already clarified what this meant;
but, if you persist with purposefully misinterpreting my claims, so be it!

Miles Davis put a "race label" on music all the time. Again: have you read his autobiography?!!?!

Dasein said:

laurarichardson said:

Dasein said: I have never read anywhere that Miles Davis had anything bad to say about Kind If Blue. When you say pandering to whites you are saying he was trying to please whites to sell records that is buttkissig. Any I question anyone who wants to put a race label on music. Funny you are on Prince org doing this when Prince fought so hard against this.

I believe Miles Davis said as much in his autobiography. When I say Davis was mostly pandering
to white people, I do not mean he was kissing their butts. I have already clarified what this meant;
but, if you persist with purposefully misinterpreting my claims, so be it!

Miles Davis put a "race label" on music all the time. Again: have you read his autobiography?!!?!

I question anyone who wants to put a race label on music. Funny you are on Prince org doing this when Prince fought so hard against this.

laurarichardson said:

Dasein said:

I believe Miles Davis said as much in his autobiography. When I say Davis was mostly pandering
to white people, I do not mean he was kissing their butts. I have already clarified what this meant;
but, if you persist with purposefully misinterpreting my claims, so be it!

Miles Davis put a "race label" on music all the time. Again: have you read his autobiography?!!?!

I question anyone who wants to put a race label on music. Funny you are on Prince org doing this when Prince fought so hard against this.

Miles Davis put a race label on music all the time. Read some of his interviews online!

http://www.erenkrantz.com/Music/MilesDavisInterview.shtml

http://www.forghieri.net/jazz/MilesDavisRSInterview.html

It is idealistic to view music as being without color. But we live here on Earth; not in heaven.
Miles Davis was astute enough to see how culture affects and impacts music just like it does with
most human endeavors. Towards the end of his life, he turned his back ever so slightly on Kind
of Blue because he made it mostly to satisfy a white audience.

kygermo said:

MoBettaBliss said:

someone grabs your music collection and threatens to set fire to it all... the only way to stop them is to pick which of these two albums you prefer

you choose.......?

Without question, Bitches Brew. I'm still hearing things I've never heard before on that record. I know KOB like the back of my hands, Bitches Brew sounds new each time I spint it. But the Miles I roll with most of the time....is neither of those albums. Give me Dark Magus, Get Up With It, or Agharta. I like my Miles evil.

picked up Dark Magus and Agharta on vinyl this week... i hadn't heard either album

thanks