sexton said:

I liked [Beastie Boys' Licensed To Ill] at the time, but it's too juvenile for me to listen to now.

I saw this comment on the thread for Licensed To Ill's 30th anniversary, and it got me to thinking.

Certainly, thirty years is plenty of time for an album and its listener to age.

I know I was 6 when that album was out and it was too vulgar for consumption but discovered that particular album again nine years later (when I was about 14).

There are albums that I can still enjoy with nostalgia but not with a critical ear.
I would probably reject Licensed To Ill if I was just hearing it for the first time this year.

I have to admit this has been a problem for me enjoying Dr. Dre's The Chronic and Snoop Doggy Dogg's Doggystyle albums. Dr. Dre was 27 when he produced them.

None. I still listen to children's records and I enjoy Halloween & Christmas songs. Music is music to me, there is no age limit for me to like or listen to something or to watch something. What the song is about is not that important to me.

I still like J5 records. Though it was 20 years after the originals were popular. I did however never geet into the late 90s boy band era craze because I though it was corny (go figure.) Some Hip-Hop I liked when it originally debuted in the late 90s and early 2000s, I now find cringeworthy.

heathilly said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

heathilly said:

Some Eminem songs are cringy.

How about half of his catalog.

I mean he has some A1 material It just the im killing my mom and girlfirend and make fun of every celebrity thing thats like really dude.

I would also add linkin park I used to love them when I was younger but now "Shut up when Im talking to you.." Makes me embaressed for them.

And not really juvnile but 21 pilots lyrics are so teen angst its a little cringe but I like the music.

heathilly said:

Some Eminem songs are cringy.

Absolutely.

dancerella said:

I'm not a fan of Taylor Swift for this very reason. Her music is way too childish for me. She's a grown woman who writes as if she were 14. I still listen to Debbie Gibson and NKOTB on a regular and still find it more mature than her stuff.

Another reason I could not get into her shit. Sounds like junior high locker chat.

Nine Inch Nails and Marilyn Manson.

I still listen to some bands that sound similar to them, like Ministry, but the lyrics on NIN & MM albums are just something I can't take seriously at all anymore. I can't get through those records if I put them on. I don't doubt that Reznor and Manson went through some tough times, but that type of "90s angst" is just cringeworthy. Of course, those two weren't even the worst offenders, but I've listened to them a lot personally, so I picked them out for this thread.

In retrospect, David Bowie's "1. Outside" was a far more mature take on that type of sound and lyrical themes, even if he was actually borrowing a lot from Reznor & co. at the time.

Cinny said:

dancerella said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

dancerella said:

Exactly! And people praise her songwriting. If she were twelve I'd give her some props but when you're an adult you have to try and dig a little deeper.

But her audience is teens.

That's what someone else told me about her, but damn, she sells a LOT of records if her audience is only supposed to be teens and their moms.

I like the SOUND of The Weeknd's new song "Starboy" but bragging about praying for cars and cleaning off a table of cocaine do not move me at all.

Cinny said:

That's what someone else told me about her, but damn, she sells a LOT of records if her audience is only supposed to be teens and their moms.

Who do you think the main audience was that made rock n roll popular in the late 1950s? Hollywood made quicky rock movies for teens back then that had acts like Chubby Checker in them. Also I don't think many older people bought New Kids On The Block bedsheets & sleeping bags or called their 1-900 number. Teens have been a big consumer audience for several decades, that's why magazines like Tiger Beat and Right On! were created. Even Frank Sinatra had a teen audience early in his career and so did Dean Martin & Jerry Lewis when they were together.

MickyDolenz said:

Cinny said:

That's what someone else told me about her, but damn, she sells a LOT of records if her audience is only supposed to be teens and their moms.

Who do you think the main audience was that made rock n roll popular in the late 1950s? Hollywood made quicky rock movies for teens back then that had acts like Chubby Checker in them. Also I don't think many older people bought New Kids On The Block bedsheets & sleeping bags or called their 1-900 number. Teens have been a big consumer audience for several decades, that's why magazines like Tiger Beat and Right On! were created. Even Frank Sinatra had a teen audience early in his career and so did Dean Martin & Jerry Lewis when they were together.

True, but I think I could explain it away with the Baby Boom.

Cinny said:

True, but I think I could explain it away with the Baby Boom.

There's probably more younger people now than with the boomers, especially since the population of the earth is higher than the boomer era. As far as women go, it's been said females have always been the majority of Top 40 and adult contemporary listeners. Notice that acts that are more popular with women are less likely to be in the Rock n Roll Hall Of Fame like Barry Manilow & Michael Bolton or Lilith Fair type female singers. There's also the case that Teddy Pendergrass had "women only" concerts. Album Oriented Rock radio stations, which was more popular with guys, played few women singers/bands. Hip hop stations also play more male acts than female. Not that many female rappers have become famous.

Cinny said:

mynameisnotsusan said:

Cinny said:

I like the SOUND of The Weeknd's new song "Starboy" but bragging about praying for cars and cleaning off a table of cocaine do not move me at all.

I can't believe how much play he has gotten in the last year or so on our office workroom radio stations I get tortured with during the work week. I'm not sure if it's clever or just wrong to have his lyrics attached to such hooky music. It's odd.

I used to kinda root for that sort of subversion, but I just kinda find it insulting.

Turns out I'm full of shit because yesterday I loaded the dishwasher while listening to this:

thekidsgirl said:

I can't think of anything too juvenile to occasionally enjoy, but there is stuff I used to love that I thankfully grew out of for the most part... Rap-rock being the most shameful offender

girrrrrl

Yes, I can see what they mean. A lot of rap from that period is very juvenile, from the forced rhyming to the child-like delivery. I was listening to some Eric B & Rakim and Big Daddy Kane the other day, it was cute how they thought they were musicians in amongst the cringe. Most of it has not aged well, which is why I suppose a lot of people were calling it (c)rap in the day. It saddened me to hear those old albums now and grimace at the horrific lyrics. Perhaps the most difficult was 80s Depeche Mode, the musicality is interesting and dark but the forced rhyming makes me feel icky (e.g. "houses/trousers").