The National Enquirer don't have an agenda against Lisa Marie Presley so I kinda believe them. They're claiming she has a "X-rated video" with Lockwood. God, their divorce is going to be interesting. I'd love a LMP-Lockwood sex tape to leak. Everything will come to light in court during the divorce battle. And it's going to be ugly.

ML2016 said:

The National Enquirer don't have an agenda against Lisa Marie Presley so I kinda believe them. They're claiming she has a "X-rated video" with Lockwood. God, their divorce is going to be interesting. I'd love a LMP-Lockwood sex tape to leak. Everything will come to light in court during the divorce battle. And it's going to be ugly.

Nah I think they will try and keep this quiet and besides if it doesn't have any thing to do with MJ no one gives a shit (eg LMP couldn't get over MJ's death and thus her 4th marriage hit the skids.....blame MJ for it)!

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Goddess4Real said:

ML2016 said:

The National Enquirer don't have an agenda against Lisa Marie Presley so I kinda believe them. They're claiming she has a "X-rated video" with Lockwood. God, their divorce is going to be interesting. I'd love a LMP-Lockwood sex tape to leak. Everything will come to light in court during the divorce battle. And it's going to be ugly.

Nah I think they will try and keep this quiet and besides if it doesn't have any thing to do with MJ no one gives a shit (eg LMP couldn't get over MJ's death and thus her 4th marriage hit the skids.....blame MJ for it)!

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A Lisa Marie Presley sextape is just too good to ignore. Everybody wants to see Lisa doin' the nasty! I'd pay for it!

If it is indeed true she has a sextape, all I can say is what a disastrous human being she became. She had everything in life given to her. She never had to work a day in her life. Never had to do anything and, yet, had everything. She turned out to live the life you'd expect from a foodstamp ratchet straight out of the ghetto. LMP was a sex kitten by the time she was 15. At 24 she was already a mother of two having had more men than a whore at a naval stop. She had tried all kinds of drugs and been expelled from her mother's house. She got engaged more times than she can count (and it's not due to her intellectual limitations) and is a 4 (!) times divorcee at 48. And he ended up achieving NOTHING! What an abject failure! I'd use her as an example of what not to do. One day I'll tell my kids: "Do exactly the opposite this woman did!". What sorry piece of trash.

What an abject failure!

ML2016 said:

Goddess4Real said:

Nah I think they will try and keep this quiet and besides if it doesn't have any thing to do with MJ no one gives a shit (eg LMP couldn't get over MJ's death and thus her 4th marriage hit the skids.....blame MJ for it)!

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A Lisa Marie Presley sextape is just too good to ignore. Everybody wants to see Lisa doin' the nasty! I'd pay for it!

If it is indeed true she has a sextape, all I can say is what a disastrous human being she became. She had everything in life given to her. She never had to work a day in her life. Never had to do anything and, yet, had everything. She turned out to live the life you'd expect from a foodstamp ratchet straight out of the ghetto. LMP was a sex kitten by the time she was 15. At 24 she was already a mother of two having had more men than a whore at a naval stop. She had tried all kinds of drugs and been expelled from her mother's house. She got engaged more times than she can count (and it's not due to her intellectual limitations) and is a 4 (!) times divorcee at 48. And he ended up achieving NOTHING! What an abject failure! I'd use her as an example of what not to do. One day I'll tell my kids: "Do exactly the opposite this woman did!". What sorry piece of trash.

What an abject failure!

No thanks I'd have nightmares and wouldn't be able to

bboy87 said:

That article about the Triumph album said Michael was producing for Janet who was signed to Joe's label at the time I wonder if that means there's a lost Janet solo album from 1976-78 in addition to the shelved "Randy and Janet" duet album from 1977

Maybe its in the vault somewhere, it was an interesting article and what I got out of it, and I'm not surprised that MJ was the driving force out of the brothers, and he more or less did this album because his parents pressured him to do it, (a recurring theme in his life ) and when he committed to something it had to be great. It is a excellent album and I also have the live album as well. Like I said in a previous post, the estate needs to release the live concerts!

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Goddess4Real said:

Fellow MJ fans, after reading the evidence for the 100th time I'm 100000% sure MJ never touched that liar Arvizo. It's impossible to believe he did after reading what happened. The evidence in MJ's favor is SO overwhelming I'm surprised the case made it to trial. I'd put my hands on fire. The only thing left in MJ's favor was the kid saying he lied because, apart from that, the evidence is staggeringly benefitial to Michael.

The evidence in the Jordan Chandler's case also goes in MJ's favor. BUT, to this day, I still don't understand why did MJ make such a point of sleeping with Jordan. Why would a thirty something year old man cry when denied a chance of sleeping with a 13 yo boy? Why did the two always sleep together? I don't get it. And why was MJ obsessed with this boy?

I'm not saying this to cause a stir because I love MJ but this two questions remain unanswered.

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ML2016 said:

Fellow MJ fans, after reading the evidence for the 100th time I'm 100000% sure MJ never touched that liar Arvizo. It's impossible to believe he did after reading what happened. The evidence in MJ's favor is SO overwhelming I'm surprised the case made it to trial. I'd put my hands on fire. The only thing left in MJ's favor was the kid saying he lied because, apart from that, the evidence is staggeringly benefitial to Michael.

The evidence in the Jordan Chandler's case also goes in MJ's favor. BUT, to this day, I still don't understand why did MJ make such a point of sleeping with Jordan. Why would a thirty something year old man cry when denied a chance of sleeping with a 13 yo boy? Why did the two always sleep together? I don't get it. And why was MJ obsessed with this boy?

I'm not saying this to cause a stir because I love MJ but this two questions remain unanswered.

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Let's put it in this context if Conrad Murray lies about Michael Jackson for $$$$$$$ what do you think the Chandlers were willing to do for millions?

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ML2016 said:

Fellow MJ fans, after reading the evidence for the 100th time I'm 100000% sure MJ never touched that liar Arvizo. It's impossible to believe he did after reading what happened. The evidence in MJ's favor is SO overwhelming I'm surprised the case made it to trial. I'd put my hands on fire. The only thing left in MJ's favor was the kid saying he lied because, apart from that, the evidence is staggeringly benefitial to Michael.

The evidence in the Jordan Chandler's case also goes in MJ's favor. BUT, to this day, I still don't understand why did MJ make such a point of sleeping with Jordan. Why would a thirty something year old man cry when denied a chance of sleeping with a 13 yo boy? Why did the two always sleep together? I don't get it. And why was MJ obsessed with this boy?

I'm not saying this to cause a stir because I love MJ but this two questions remain unanswered.

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Well, who was the source of that information regarding MJ crying about not being allowed to sleep with Jordan? That came directly from June Chandler's testimony, so already you have to question its integrity, as she has proven that she will say and go along with anything if the price is right.

I'm not saying it didn't happen, but it shouldn't be accepted as gospel. The whole trouble with the 93 case is that MJ's side never got the chance to present their defense. The reason the Arvizo trial is seen as a joke is because their lies were exposed on the stand and what passes as admissable evidence in a court of law is very different to the muddied waters and sleazy innuendo that the media circus push. Thomas Mesereau said that he had people who knew Jordan Chandler willing to take the stand and testify that Jordan had admitted to them that MJ never touched him.

Goddess4Real said:

MattyJam said:

ML2016 said:

Fellow MJ fans, after reading the evidence for the 100th time I'm 100000% sure MJ never touched that liar Arvizo. It's impossible to believe he did after reading what happened. The evidence in MJ's favor is SO overwhelming I'm surprised the case made it to trial. I'd put my hands on fire. The only thing left in MJ's favor was the kid saying he lied because, apart from that, the evidence is staggeringly benefitial to Michael.

The evidence in the Jordan Chandler's case also goes in MJ's favor. BUT, to this day, I still don't understand why did MJ make such a point of sleeping with Jordan. Why would a thirty something year old man cry when denied a chance of sleeping with a 13 yo boy? Why did the two always sleep together? I don't get it. And why was MJ obsessed with this boy?

I'm not saying this to cause a stir because I love MJ but this two questions remain unanswered.

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Well, who was the source of that information regarding MJ crying about not being allowed to sleep with Jordan? That came directly from June Chandler's testimony, so already you have to question its integrity, as she has proven that she will say and go along with anything if the price is right.

I'm not saying it didn't happen, but it shouldn't be accepted as gospel. The whole trouble with the 93 case is that MJ's side never got the chance to present their defense. The reason the Arvizo trial is seen as a joke is because their lies were exposed on the stand and what passes as admissable evidence in a court of law is very different to the muddied waters and sleazy innuendo that the media circus push. Thomas Mesereau said that he had people who knew Jordan Chandler willing to take the stand and testify that Jordan had admitted to them that MJ never touched him.

MJ's story about he and Jordy never got heard because MJ and Cochrane chose to plea bargain and pay the Chandlers $20 million. If MJ wanted to fight, he could have decided to take the matter to courts.

Regardless, MJ's relationship with the kid is not normal. Taking Jordy to the World Music Awards in 1993 was not the appropriate behavior of a man in his 30s. Nobody forced MJ to become BFFs with this kid.

Oh goody the fake MJ fan is back

Jimmy Fallon’s Trump parody from The Tonight Show. Enjoy the MJ refs at the beginning, I thought that entrance looked familar https://www.youtube.com/w...VZGIMmMkvM

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MichaelJackson5 said:

MattyJam said:

Well, who was the source of that information regarding MJ crying about not being allowed to sleep with Jordan? That came directly from June Chandler's testimony, so already you have to question its integrity, as she has proven that she will say and go along with anything if the price is right.

I'm not saying it didn't happen, but it shouldn't be accepted as gospel. The whole trouble with the 93 case is that MJ's side never got the chance to present their defense. The reason the Arvizo trial is seen as a joke is because their lies were exposed on the stand and what passes as admissable evidence in a court of law is very different to the muddied waters and sleazy innuendo that the media circus push. Thomas Mesereau said that he had people who knew Jordan Chandler willing to take the stand and testify that Jordan had admitted to them that MJ never touched him.

MJ's story about he and Jordy never got heard because MJ and Cochrane chose to plea bargain and pay the Chandlers $20 million. If MJ wanted to fight, he could have decided to take the matter to courts.

Regardless, MJ's relationship with the kid is not normal. Taking Jordy to the World Music Awards in 1993 was not the appropriate behavior of a man in his 30s. Nobody forced MJ to become BFFs with this kid.

MJ didn't just take Jordy to the WMA: he took June and Lilly as well.

Settling the case out of court was the biggest mistake of MJ's life. It was what triggered all other accusations against him. The proof, once more, that he was weak-minded and lived in his own lunatic world. At the same time, you could

also blame it on the fact that the civil trial was going to be tried before the criminal one which meant MJ would not be going to get a fair trial. MJ's lawyers spent months filing motions to have the criminal trial come first, while Larry Feldman, who fought like a tiger for a settlement, counter-filed all those motions.

And, yes, he had a weird relationship with Jordy, but I think (and Mesereau strongly implied in court) that he was romantically linked to June and took- in his mind- the role of the father of the family. I mean, everyday MJ would come home and have dinner with this family. He pratically adopted them as his own family, or they adopted him.

Still, that's how MJ started spending his life after 1984: sharing his bed with children and playing family with families that were not his own (though he did the right thing not to want anything with those psycopaths he had for a family). Meanwhile, the awesome music up until that point stopped, he released an album every 4 years because he was too busy having slumber parties with children and never bothered to evolve his act like, for example, learning to play an instrument.

ML2016 said:

Scorp said:

ML2016 said:

MJ didn't just take Jordy to the WMA: he took June and Lilly as well.

Settling the case out of court was the biggest mistake of MJ's life. It was what triggered all other accusations against him. The proof, once more, that he was weak-minded and lived in his own lunatic world. At the same time, you could

also blame it on the fact that the civil trial was going to be tried before the criminal one which meant MJ would not be going to get a fair trial. MJ's lawyers spent months filing motions to have the criminal trial come first, while Larry Feldman, who fought like a tiger for a settlement, counter-filed all those motions.

And, yes, he had a weird relationship with Jordy, but I think (and Mesereau strongly implied in court) that he was romantically linked to June and took- in his mind- the role of the father of the family. I mean, everyday MJ would come home and have dinner with this family. He pratically adopted them as his own family, or they adopted him.

Still, that's how MJ started spending his life after 1984: sharing his bed with children and playing family with families that were not his own (though he did the right thing not to want anything with those psycopaths he had for a family). Meanwhile, the awesome music up until that point stopped, he released an album every 4 years because he was too busy having slumber parties with children and never bothered to evolve his act like, for example, learning to play an instrument.

And how were his family psychopaths Hus family were the leaat if his troubles Were his nieces and nephews psychopaths too Outside of that fake stun gun incident cooked up by followers, his nieces and nephews have not done anything that would considered to be criminal

Exactly the opposite. His family were his biggest enemies. There's a reason MJ constantly felt the need to insert himself in other people's families.

ML2016 said:

ML2016 said:

MichaelJackson5 said:

MJ's story about he and Jordy never got heard because MJ and Cochrane chose to plea bargain and pay the Chandlers $20 million. If MJ wanted to fight, he could have decided to take the matter to courts.

Regardless, MJ's relationship with the kid is not normal. Taking Jordy to the World Music Awards in 1993 was not the appropriate behavior of a man in his 30s. Nobody forced MJ to become BFFs with this kid.

MJ didn't just take Jordy to the WMA: he took June and Lilly as well.

Settling the case out of court was the biggest mistake of MJ's life. It was what triggered all other accusations against him. The proof, once more, that he was weak-minded and lived in his own lunatic world. At the same time, you could

also blame it on the fact that the civil trial was going to be tried before the criminal one which meant MJ would not be going to get a fair trial. MJ's lawyers spent months filing motions to have the criminal trial come first, while Larry Feldman, who fought like a tiger for a settlement, counter-filed all those motions.

And, yes, he had a weird relationship with Jordy, but I think (and Mesereau strongly implied in court) that he was romantically linked to June and took- in his mind- the role of the father of the family. I mean, everyday MJ would come home and have dinner with this family. He pratically adopted them as his own family, or they adopted him.

Still, that's how MJ started spending his life after 1984: sharing his bed with children and playing family with families that were not his own (though he did the right thing not to want anything with those psycopaths he had for a family). Meanwhile, the awesome music up until that point stopped, he released an album every 4 years because he was too busy having slumber parties with children and never bothered to evolve his act like, for example, learning to play an instrument.

I've never seen MJ romantically linked to women unless they were part of a sham marriage like LMP. If there was a romance with June Chandler, where are the paparrazi photos of them together? You'd think they could manage one photo of MJ kissing the woman or something, right?

It seems to me MJ had a "thing" for slumber parties, and mostly with young boys too. It's not hard to see how some would view the man as a child molester. I don't think he was one but then $20 million is still a lot of money, especially in 1993.

Dangerous and HIStory were actually pretty good albums. If he stayed true to himself, they'd have been much bigger sellers in America. It's like the real MJ vanished around 1986. MJ got wreckless with the surgeries and with the sleepovers. The perfect storm to destroy his image with his American fans.

bboy87 said:

http://michaeljacksonreel...onrad.html

Interesting article, thanks

MichaelJackson5 said:

ML2016 said:

MJ didn't just take Jordy to the WMA: he took June and Lilly as well.

Settling the case out of court was the biggest mistake of MJ's life. It was what triggered all other accusations against him. The proof, once more, that he was weak-minded and lived in his own lunatic world. At the same time, you could

also blame it on the fact that the civil trial was going to be tried before the criminal one which meant MJ would not be going to get a fair trial. MJ's lawyers spent months filing motions to have the criminal trial come first, while Larry Feldman, who fought like a tiger for a settlement, counter-filed all those motions.

And, yes, he had a weird relationship with Jordy, but I think (and Mesereau strongly implied in court) that he was romantically linked to June and took- in his mind- the role of the father of the family. I mean, everyday MJ would come home and have dinner with this family. He pratically adopted them as his own family, or they adopted him.

Still, that's how MJ started spending his life after 1984: sharing his bed with children and playing family with families that were not his own (though he did the right thing not to want anything with those psycopaths he had for a family). Meanwhile, the awesome music up until that point stopped, he released an album every 4 years because he was too busy having slumber parties with children and never bothered to evolve his act like, for example, learning to play an instrument.

I've never seen MJ romantically linked to women unless they were part of a sham marriage like LMP. If there was a romance with June Chandler, where are the paparrazi photos of them together? You'd think they could manage one photo of MJ kissing the woman or something, right?

It seems to me MJ had a "thing" for slumber parties, and mostly with young boys too. It's not hard to see how some would view the man as a child molester. I don't think he was one but then $20 million is still a lot of money, especially in 1993.

Dangerous and HIStory were actually pretty good albums. If he stayed true to himself, they'd have been much bigger sellers in America. It's like the real MJ vanished around 1986. MJ got wreckless with the surgeries and with the sleepovers. The perfect storm to destroy his image with his American fans.

MJ had a pathological, unhealthy obsession with children. I think he saw himself as the Messiah for children. I also never understood his obsession with sleeping with children. It's as if the ultimate goal of his was to bed them. And even after being accused, in 93, he kept beding children again and again, such was the compulsion to.

His marriage to LMP was an unilateral affair. She loved him a lot while he didn't have romantic feelings for her and seemed to be more interested in her children who he wanted to adopt.

It's not hard to picture him as a child molester. After all, he had a penchant to bed children and paid 20 million to shut a little boy up. Still the evidence in his favor is too overwhelming for me to think he molested them. In fact, I think those thoughts never even entered MJ's mind because sex did not enter his world. He treated sex the way a 12 year old boy does. He saw penises and vaginas as punchlines and not as targets of hormonal desire. There's a video of him in the back of a car on youtube in which he is making sexual jokes about women who are passing by, the type of jokes a 12 year old boy makes to make his little buddies laugh. And how many childhoods do you need to live before feeling you had one? MJ relived childhood so many times you'd think he had already made up for not having one in due time. Mozart was also a child-star, also overworked and he wasn't that emotionally retarded (though he was childlike and emotionally descompensated).

Another thing I can't stand in MJ was his compulsive lying. Why say Blanket's mother is black? Why claim you only had 2 plastic surgery? Why claim you're constantly writing music when your work is so sparse?

ML2016 said:

MichaelJackson5 said:

I've never seen MJ romantically linked to women unless they were part of a sham marriage like LMP. If there was a romance with June Chandler, where are the paparrazi photos of them together? You'd think they could manage one photo of MJ kissing the woman or something, right?

It seems to me MJ had a "thing" for slumber parties, and mostly with young boys too. It's not hard to see how some would view the man as a child molester. I don't think he was one but then $20 million is still a lot of money, especially in 1993.

Dangerous and HIStory were actually pretty good albums. If he stayed true to himself, they'd have been much bigger sellers in America. It's like the real MJ vanished around 1986. MJ got wreckless with the surgeries and with the sleepovers. The perfect storm to destroy his image with his American fans.

MJ had a pathological, unhealthy obsession with children. I think he saw himself as the Messiah for children. I also never understood his obsession with sleeping with children. It's as if the ultimate goal of his was to bed them. And even after being accused, in 93, he kept beding children again and again, such was the compulsion to.

His marriage to LMP was an unilateral affair. She loved him a lot while he didn't have romantic feelings for her and seemed to be more interested in her children who he wanted to adopt.

It's not hard to picture him as a child molester. After all, he had a penchant to bed children and paid 20 million to shut a little boy up. Still the evidence in his favor is too overwhelming for me to think he molested them. In fact, I think those thoughts never even entered MJ's mind because sex did not enter his world. He treated sex the way a 12 year old boy does. He saw penises and vaginas as punchlines and not as targets of hormonal desire. There's a video of him in the back of a car on youtube in which he is making sexual jokes about women who are passing by, the type of jokes a 12 year old boy makes to make his little buddies laugh. And how many childhoods do you need to live before feeling you had one? MJ relived childhood so many times you'd think he had already made up for not having one in due time. Mozart was also a child-star, also overworked and he wasn't that emotionally retarded (though he was childlike and emotionally descompensated).

Another thing I can't stand in MJ was his compulsive lying. Why say Blanket's mother is black? Why claim you only had 2 plastic surgery? Why claim you're constantly writing music when your work is so sparse?

I think MJ really started believing he was the personification of Peter Pan, some kind of perpetual man-child. And he did seem to have the emotional development of an 11-12 year old. He seemed to view those boys as his "buddies" and them sleeping with him nothing more than a slumber party any kid would have. Taraborelli was right that Michael Jackson was asexual. He didn't even seem very interested in Brook Shields at the 84 Grammys, paying more attention to Emmanuelle Lewis which I already thought was weird.

This man hasn't been in touch with reality since about 1986. And he lied all the time about how much surgery he had along with a host of other things. After Invincible flopped, his work was very sparse which is why I don't expect another album from the estate anytime soon. Heck, Xscape was the first MJ CD I didn't purchase on it's day of release and still haven't. Blood on the Dance Floor was also not a release date purchase for me as the album is awful in my opinion.

I do remember an interview many many years ago with Tatum O'Neal in which she talks about trying to come on to MJ in a hot tub when they were young and he was horribly embarrassed and was having none of it.

I saw the david gest documentary on mj on sky arts. Has anyone seen that? The celebrity culture and pressures are on another level when it comes to the mecca which is the usa and hollywood . They created this whole concept the world now goes by and michael jackson was for many many reasons at a level of the bar which won't / can't be reached by anyone. When you think of how young he started in such a major way and then the idea of re inventing yourself will never be matched by anyone unless they are that sucessful, that naturally talented , absorbs somuch and literally change their appearance . Along with having a roller coaster ' celebrity , famous ' life. This was a complete one off intentionall or not.

But bottom line hands down, he was a fundamentally good person. Not bad. And to live an existence where the world can visibly see your kindness and giving to others in a non contrived way and then still have such an unhappy life that was full of attacks and bullying and ridicule was v sad. Such an over whelming life, imagine life being THAT full on every single day for so many years. Elvis Sinatra Prince etc all went through it too but none of them were bullied and laughed at in the press and on news like mj. So being that famous and having all those news reports.Impossible to ignore. I'm not saying he didn't help preventing those matters , he didn't and behaviour like the dangling can't be justified. But aside from that, what did he do in public that was so wrong? And yet all the targeting and accusations.

Anyway, i always felt yes it was a bit of a disaster with mj not in a good place health wise to do the madison square shows but i will always love david for being a friend , sticking with him and organising a very happy moment for mj on stage over those 2 nights and for his mum to see them all on stage again. That was a great idea and david pulled it off in the end with that special.

bboy87 said:

Just as I was typing my last post, the 14 minute version of The Way You Make Me Feel leaked lol https://m.facebook.com/st...0235385560

Thanks for the links I wonder who is leaking this cool stuff? Also I wonder if there is any footage of MJ with Madonna in the studio during their aborted attempt at a duet of In The Closet. After all he filmed everything, why not recording sessions etc