Radio host Kelly Alexander interviewed Kevin Stea who worked with Janet on the 'IF' video and Madonna on 'The Blonde Ambition Tour' and 'Truth or Dare'

He states that there was tension between Janet and Madonna in the early 90s - coming more from Madonna and says there was an incident which confirmed their dislike for each other.

He also claims that Janet was more accessible than the 'diva' Madonna - but is the sky blue???


I wonder what this incident was? check it out at the 29min point


www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxBejleD4KM

I've heard the story about Madonna saying Janet smelled like tortillia chips. It's an odd statement, but back then Madonna was different. (So was Janet; so were we all.)

Janet once dissed Madonna and said she likes to do things a bit more classy, than others, in her art.

Back in the day, Madonna was a lot more mouthy in her immature days. She's surely pissed off a few folks. (She dissed Kevin Costner, too, remember?)

It's too bad, because I would have loved to had them two team up on a big ass dance song.

TrivialPursuit said:

TrivialPursuit said:

There's many fabricated stories about them being shady backstage etc. in the 80s but Janet herself said they never even met.

I believe it was all a media fued with them exchanging catty remarks and nothing more.

I read the title as "Janet and her bad beef!"

There was no beef. Janet's music "has class" as she puts it. And Madonna's apparently doesn't.

I think it was a friendly jealousy, but the truth is that Madonna never benefited from nepotism. She started at the bottom and did better than Miss Jackson in the long run. She doesn't suffer from a food addiction like Janet, who frequently smells of tortilla chips.

mancabdriver said:

What about the scene in Truth Or Dare, when Madonna tries on that black shoulder padded jacket at the boutique, and one of her dancers says "Very Janet Jackson, Rhythm Nation" as shade.

TrivialPursuit said:

I've heard the story about Madonna saying Janet smelled like tortillia chips. It's an odd statement, but back then Madonna was different. (So was Janet; so were we all.)

Janet once dissed Madonna and said she likes to do things a bit more classy, than others, in her art.

Back in the day, Madonna was a lot more mouthy in her immature days. She's surely pissed off a few folks. (She dissed Kevin Costner, too, remember?)

It's too bad, because I would have loved to had them two team up on a big ass dance song.

Madonna reached out to Janet after Michael died, to do something together, but I don't know what happened with that

OldFriends4Sale said:

TrivialPursuit said:

I've heard the story about Madonna saying Janet smelled like tortillia chips. It's an odd statement, but back then Madonna was different. (So was Janet; so were we all.)

Janet once dissed Madonna and said she likes to do things a bit more classy, than others, in her art.

Back in the day, Madonna was a lot more mouthy in her immature days. She's surely pissed off a few folks. (She dissed Kevin Costner, too, remember?)

It's too bad, because I would have loved to had them two team up on a big ass dance song.

Madonna reached out to Janet after Michael died, to do something together, but I don't know what happened with that

Well, she at least did the intro to the tribute section at that year's MTV VMAs. It was sort of surprised that Madonna did that speech, knowing her and Janet's history. But at times like that, beefs need to be put away, because there's a bigger purpose.

MidniteMagnet said:

mancabdriver said:

BlackCat1985 said:

mancabdriver said:

What I found funny is that quite a few of Madonna's dancers at the time said they were Janet fans when they auditioned. Perhaps they appreciated real, challenging choreography compared to the running man!

Lol! Madonna was thinking "Great another Jackson I gotta deal with!" Janet was always the better dancer/performer so......

...in YOUR opinion.

If there ever was one, I'm sure that was over a long time ago...

As recently as 2012 M dissed JJ at the Superbowl press conference, backhandedly but still...then JJ's choreorgapher called M a "heroin addict" on twitter. I wouldn't say it's totally dead.

Also, if anything it seems to have died down partially because now a days...no comparison in terms of who is the bigger "deal" still...

rlittler81 said:

BlackCat1985 said:

mancabdriver said: Lol! Madonna was thinking "Great another Jackson I gotta deal with!" Janet was always the better dancer/performer so......

...in YOUR opinion.

lol. I think that's probably one of the less contentious statements one could make.

Rhythm Nation/If > Madonna's entire career (in terms of choreograph)

[Edited 4/26/16 18:53pm]

rlittler81 said:

stories or history will have at the very least three sides, which makes it hard to know the truth. There'll will be always people like the one up here selling their opinions or views as facts. Those are usually overpriced bs of people who think they know better than everyone else. I say let bygones be bygones. It doesn't really matter who satrted if none of them had the decency of step away.

Who knows, when they're in a room together they're probably polite to each other and laugh about what the media put out there.

Azz said:

rlittler81 said:

...in YOUR opinion.

lol. I think that's probably one of the less contentious statements one could make.

Rhythm Nation/If > Madonna's entire career (in terms of choreograph)

[Edited 4/26/16 18:53pm]

If you prefer to watch dance recital drill sargeant choreography, yes. If you prefer more classic and subtle dancing, not so much.

badujunkie said:

Azz said:

lol. I think that's probably one of the less contentious statements one could make.

Rhythm Nation/If > Madonna's entire career (in terms of choreograph)

[Edited 4/26/16 18:53pm]

If you prefer to watch dance recital drill sargeant choreography, yes. If you prefer more classic and subtle dancing, not so much.

badujunkie said:

mancabdriver said:

badujunkie said:

If you prefer to watch dance recital drill sargeant choreography, yes. If you prefer more classic and subtle dancing, not so much.

I'm sorry but Madge may have more creative tours, bigger stage production and is 10 times more successful than Janet. But Janet's choreography is superior,she is a better dancer than Madonna and has better stage presence.No question! Yoga positions, rolling on the floor, fingering yourself, jumping on a skipping rope and waving your arms about are not classic or particularly impressive forms of dancing. The god damn 'rock wid u' video alone is more intricate and complex than anything Madonna's choreography. Let's not kid ourselves here. But I do admit that Janet tours are painfully repetitive and wish she would take notes from Madonna to do things in a new and exciting way. [Edited 4/29/16 8:55am]

Janet perfected her style of danicing in the 80's and never changed it up. Same as her routines. Madonna shapeshifted since 83 and never repeated herself. 10 tours of new routines and stage production. Janet is still doing the 'If' dance.

Hell im a huuuuuge Janet fan, and i can definitely say stage presence was not something she had in abundance. She was always quite vanilla in concert. Same old vigorous militant routines with a stern / angry look on her face. Nothing subtle about her performance at all. I couldnt imagine madonna doing Janet's routine's - true - but i similarly couldnt imagine Janet being able to perform the bredth of choreography that Madonna has show in her touring.

As far as the beef goes - there were rumours that Madonna was a bitch about Janet - but the only public things she ever said were about the Jacksons as a family - plus Latoya. Nothing too bitchy - just off hand comments. Janet responded to that with her "class" comment. Cut to her 10 years later moaning and panting on every other interlude on her records, and doing every photo shoot in nothing more than a pair of knickers.

CrozzaUK said:

mancabdriver said:

badujunkie said: I'm sorry but Madge may have more creative tours, bigger stage production and is 10 times more successful than Janet. But Janet's choreography is superior,she is a better dancer than Madonna and has better stage presence.No question! Yoga positions, rolling on the floor, fingering yourself, jumping on a skipping rope and waving your arms about are not classic or particularly impressive forms of dancing. The god damn 'rock wid u' video alone is more intricate and complex than anything Madonna's choreography. Let's not kid ourselves here. But I do admit that Janet tours are painfully repetitive and wish she would take notes from Madonna to do things in a new and exciting way. [Edited 4/29/16 8:55am]

Janet perfected her style of danicing in the 80's and never changed it up. Same as her routines. Madonna shapeshifted since 83 and never repeated herself. 10 tours of new routines and stage production. Janet is still doing the 'If' dance.

Hell im a huuuuuge Janet fan, and i can definitely say stage presence was not something she had in abundance. She was always quite vanilla in concert. Same old vigorous militant routines with a stern / angry look on her face. Nothing subtle about her performance at all. I couldnt imagine madonna doing Janet's routine's - true - but i similarly couldnt imagine Janet being able to perform the bredth of choreography that Madonna has show in her touring.

As far as the beef goes - there were rumours that Madonna was a bitch about Janet - but the only public things she ever said were about the Jacksons as a family - plus Latoya. Nothing too bitchy - just off hand comments. Janet responded to that with her "class" comment. Cut to her 10 years later moaning and panting on every other interlude on her records, and doing every photo shoot in nothing more than a pair of knickers.

Janet perfected her dancing in the 80's and never changed it up.

Are you serious? Most of her videos have quite distincitve choreography. Her choreographers borrowed from a variety of different dance styles throughout the years. If is different to Rock With U which is vastly different to Together Againt, etc. etc.

this is something you could accuse MJ of, not Janet.

as for still performing the If choreography after all these years... could you imagine if she changed it.. god no! - that choreography is iconic.

No Madonna choreography (if u want to call it that) is iconic (maybe Vogue but that's just yoga posing and arm movements), that's why she switches it up as you say.

Let's not forget that time Madonna tried to do Rhythm Naiton - military choreography. Lmao, she really tried it - I guess she thought it was one of the few Janet moves she could do because her body movements are so stiff and she has now fluidity. LMAO.

mancabdriver said:

badujunkie said:

If you prefer to watch dance recital drill sargeant choreography, yes. If you prefer more classic and subtle dancing, not so much.

I'm sorry but Madge may have more creative tours, bigger stage production and is 10 times more successful than Janet. But Janet's choreography is superior,she is a better dancer than Madonna and has better stage presence.No question! Yoga positions, rolling on the floor, fingering yourself, jumping on a skipping rope and waving your arms about are not classic or particularly impressive forms of dancing. The god damn 'rock wid u' video alone is more intricate and complex than anything Madonna's choreography. Let's not kid ourselves here. But I do admit that Janet tours are painfully repetitive and wish she would take notes from Madonna to do things in a new and exciting way. [Edited 4/29/16 8:55am]

have you seen the tango, the partnered 'lifts', the "Erotica You Thrill me" number from Confessions tour, her busting a move in "Where's the Party" from Blond Ambition, the gun routine in "Revolver," the intricate "Gimme All Your Lovin" from MDNA, the innovative modern dance meets performance art happening of Impressive Instant in Drowned World, the flamenco in La Isla from "Girlie Show," "vogue" from Girlie show? apparently not

badujunkie said:

mancabdriver said:

badujunkie said: I'm sorry but Madge may have more creative tours, bigger stage production and is 10 times more successful than Janet. But Janet's choreography is superior,she is a better dancer than Madonna and has better stage presence.No question! Yoga positions, rolling on the floor, fingering yourself, jumping on a skipping rope and waving your arms about are not classic or particularly impressive forms of dancing. The god damn 'rock wid u' video alone is more intricate and complex than anything Madonna's choreography. Let's not kid ourselves here. But I do admit that Janet tours are painfully repetitive and wish she would take notes from Madonna to do things in a new and exciting way. [Edited 4/29/16 8:55am]

have you seen the tango, the partnered 'lifts', the "Erotica You Thrill me" number from Confessions tour, her busting a move in "Where's the Party" from Blond Ambition, the gun routine in "Revolver," the intricate "Gimme All Your Lovin" from MDNA, the innovative modern dance meets performance art happening of Impressive Instant in Drowned World, the flamenco in La Isla from "Girlie Show," "vogue" from Girlie show? apparently not

Vogue from ‘The Girlie Show’ – stiff and slow thanks to the headgear – emulating Thai statues or Geisha throughout the performance. ‘Blonde Ambition’ and ‘Reinvention’ versions are more smooth. She looks so uncomfortable – she should try dancing with nunchucks and see how difficult that is.

La Isla – ‘The Girlie Show’ – lovely performance, Madonna moves so effortlessly in this. I also love the choreography in the ‘Drowned World’ performance – but obviously from the dancers, Madge was just playing the guitar (no problem with her doing that though)

‘The Blonde Ambition Tour’ is perhaps my favourite tour of all time, but not because of the amateur like choreography – it was a great and entertaining show. ‘Where’s the party’ has the dated running man that I used to do when I was twelve years old. No joke, but I could learn that routine in a few hours.

‘Revolver’ – are you kidding me? Perfectly fine performance, but what dancing skill is applied to here? Waving a gun up and down, bending up and down? And oh my god it’s such a shit song too. She relies too much on her dancers and elaborate stage set – which is fine but it doesn’t prove she’s great dancer.

‘Erotica/ you thrill me’ –‘erotic’ turn to the left… ‘erotic’… turn to the right… now grab your partner and spin them around….ummmmm

But the end part does display some elegant moves which is really beautiful and impressive – that year in dance school in the 70s was not done in vain.

‘Give me all your lovin’ – nothing particularly interesting or innovative here. You see this kind of shit at every college game every weekend. It’s actually quite a laughable and embarrassing performance. Mutton dressed as lamb indeed.

‘Impressive instant’ (I was at this tour, FYI) – great song, great performance – dancers seem to be doing all the work though.

Thanks for your suggestions, but viewing these performances just reaffirms my initial opinion that elaborate stage designs and costumes do a good job of hiding the fact that Madonna is an ok dancer - performers like Janet, Paula Abdul and dare I say it J-LO and Britney are naturally more gifted dancers.

Outside of her fan base when it comes to dancing Madonna will always be remembered for rolling around on the floor in a wedding dress and stealing tongue and cheek hand gestures from gay clubs in the 80s and trying to pass it of as an actual dance move. I have never heard anyone say that Madonna inspired them as a dancer.

Madge enthusiasts fail to accept that she is not particularly great at anything – singing, dancing or acting – she gets by. But she is the master of creativity and has sharp and crisp direction on her tours.

Perhaps my favourite choreography of Madonna’s is the whole ‘Don’t tell me’ routine – she dances her ass off in the video and when performing it live with such coolness and style. I also loved the ‘papa don’t preach ‘routine from the re-invention tour and the ‘what it feels like routine from the ‘drowned world tour’ too.

mancabdriver said:

Well, janet has been doin the very same choreographies for ages...right now she just has got to be Unbelievably good at it...if U consider repetition opposed to creativity, she's damn the best!!