No it doesn't. You've got some big mouth dumbasses who think they know everything about music. When you point out that their opinions aren't really solid, they resort to trolling be- cause they're butt hurt. On top of that, most dumb asses couldn't tell you what makes Timber- lake's music inferior to Michael Jackson's, or any of MJ's epigones, outside of it simply being a matter of taste. So, when you see phrases like "better R&B music," I hope you realize that most dumb asses in this Org can't really tell you what "better R&B music" means or is outside of their opinion being largely influenced by mere taste in music. Kinda like this conversation:
Speaker A: Michael Jackson is a better songwriter and performer than Justin Timberlake. Speaker B: Oh yeah? How so? Speaker A: Well, I like his songs more than I like Timberlake's songs. Speaker B: Okay, but you said one was better than the other. Again: how so? Speaker A: I don't know! I just like MJ more. Speaker B: Then say that! Because the word "better" implies that you are appealing to some- thing other than taste! Speaker A: Fine! Dude, y'know, it's not that serious, actually. Speaker B: It is to me, you simple minded idiot.
The fact of the matter is that Cinny is right: Timberlake prospers because he benefits from being white; but "Timberfake," or whatever you wanna call him, is not consuming and then regurgita- tating, in a most disingenuous and affective way, Black American art forms for the sole sake of prospering off of them. He grew up in the south listening to Black American music; and he grew up in the age when Michael Jackson was the template for most pop music stars. How can you be a pop singer/entertainer born in the 80s and not be influenced, in some regard, by Michael Jack- son? What we have here are two or three imbeciles who think MJ's legacy is threatened by the media's adoration of TJ, and could actually be eclipsed by Justin Timberlake. Sadly, because they are dummies, they resort to hating Justin Timberlake as opposed to talking about the nuances involved.
Were you implying that I'm racist because I stated my opinion of what appears to be just another case of trend chasing by a music act? I'm only asking since your original accusation or opinion was a direct response to my post.
Yes; the implication in my total argument concerning how this board appears to be so vitriolic against Justin Timberlake is because he is a white man, who largely has the support of the white press who adores him and supports his quest to equal or momentarily replace Michael Jackson. It is utterly ridiculous to condemn him for appearing to chase musical trends; MJ never got this treatment from this board as he CLEARLY chased music trends! I rarely see anti-Chris Brown threads; I rarely see anti-Usher threads. Both artists are obvious Michael Jackson inspi- rations, and both artists chase trends. How do they manage to escape the enmity held for Justin Timberlake? Usher's entire career is one album following one trend after another. Chris Brown has no innovative bone in his body. But both singers are Black, so, is that why we never see the monthly "I hate Chris Brown/Usher" thread? Black singers are allowed to be explicitly influenced by Michael Jackson. But the one recording artist you're going to attack, for reasons I've already
explained are silly, is the southern white boy similarly stuck on MJ?
Like I said: it appears to be racist. And in this regard, the skin color of the hater has no regard. Musicslave, I don't know you well, but the hate that some posters have towards Justin Timber- lake in the Org is certainly strange and leaves one wondering where it is sourced from. I have no particular interest in JT other than some of his cuts are pretty dope. I just can't stand dumb people who make dumb claims and then can't back up any of their dumbness. And as you can see, by recent posts, there are some dumbass people in this forum who will go to great lengths to save face by appearing to actually enjoy being a dumbass.
Due to the massive growth and influence of R&B and Hip Hop music in the U.S. during the 80's and especially 90's, I don't doubt Justin's appreciation for R&B music. Some in the older generation seem to wrestle with the fact that Hip Hop wasn't just an isolated community phenomenon anymore since it was used to sell Post Fruity Pebbles to kids. Hell, probably before then. Once corporate america began to monetize the music and its culture, it was a wrap. So no, I'm not mad at R&B and Hip Hop's reach today.
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And yes, the adulation he received during his promotion for "The 20/20 Experience" was nauseating. But that's not the crux of my argument. My observation of trendchasing comes from a question of artistic integrity if you will. Don't be surprised if there's some country music on his new record either. After all, R&B isn't selling like it used to. We already got a little taste with this performance...
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He's going to get that T.S. money, plus Pop and R&B money. He's basically going to pull a reverse Taylor Swift. Maybe not a full on Country record but I think he's comfortable enough now to show his country roots. Especially after being so well received by that crowd from that performance above. It probably proved his instincts right. Besides, Country music sells regardless of trendlines I respect that audience for supporting their artists by the way.
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It's fine if you don't see things my way. That's your opinion. I'm fine with that.
Yes; the implication in my total argument concerning how this board appears to be so vitriolic against Justin Timberlake is because he is a white man, who largely has the support of the white press who adores him and supports his quest to equal or momentarily replace Michael Jackson. It is utterly ridiculous to condemn him for appearing to chase musical trends; MJ never got this treatment from this board as he CLEARLY chased music trends! I rarely see anti-Chris Brown threads; I rarely see anti-Usher threads. Both artists are obvious Michael Jackson inspi- rations, and both artists chase trends. How do they manage to escape the enmity held for Justin Timberlake? Usher's entire career is one album following one trend after another. Chris Brown has no innovative bone in his body. But both singers are Black, so, is that why we never see the monthly "I hate Chris Brown/Usher" thread? Black singers are allowed to be explicitly influenced by Michael Jackson. But the one recording artist you're going to attack, for reasons I've already
explained are silly, is the southern white boy similarly stuck on MJ?
Like I said: it appears to be racist. And in this regard, the skin color of the hater has no regard. Musicslave, I don't know you well, but the hate that some posters have towards Justin Timber- lake in the Org is certainly strange and leaves one wondering where it is sourced from. I have no particular interest in JT other than some of his cuts are pretty dope. I just can't stand dumb people who make dumb claims and then can't back up any of their dumbness. And as you can see, by recent posts, there are some dumbass people in this forum who will go to great lengths to save face by appearing to actually enjoy being a dumbass.
Due to the massive growth and influence of R&B and Hip Hop music in the U.S. during the 80's and especially 90's, I don't doubt Justin's appreciation for R&B music. Some in the older generation seem to wrestle with the fact that Hip Hop wasn't just an isolated community phenomenon anymore since it was used to sell Post Fruity Pebbles to kids. Hell, probably before then. Once corporate america began to monetize the music and its culture, it was a wrap. So no, I'm not mad at R&B and Hip Hop's reach today.
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And yes, the adulation he received during his promotion for "The 20/20 Experience" was nauseating. But that's not the crux of my argument. My observation of trendchasing comes from a question of artistic integrity if you will. Don't be surprised if there's some country music on his new record either. After all, R&B isn't selling like it used to. We already got a little taste with this performance...
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He's going to get that T.S. money, plus Pop and R&B money. He's basically going to pull a reverse Taylor Swift. Maybe not a full on Country record but I think he's comfortable enough now to show his country roots. Especially after being so well received by that crowd from that performance above. It probably proved his instincts right. Besides, Country music sells regardless of trendlines I respect that audience for supporting their artists by the way.
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It's fine if you don't see things my way. That's your opinion. I'm fine with that.
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You're in no position to question or argue with the integrity of a recording artist you are not intimately familiar with. Again, you seem to struggle with the concept that Justin Timberlake, like 99% of recording artists, is in the business of selling records which means there could be avenues to make a living that he criss-crosses. But back to the question of artistic integrity: who says that an artist who made a living off of slinging R&B records should have their motives questioned and the purity of their art called into question because they are now slinging country albums? I sincerely hope that you don't buy into the canard that pure art is produced by those artists who do it simply for the sake of art itself. That's BULLSHIT, bro. Van Gogh, my favorite painter; Thelonious Monk, my favorite jazzer; Mozart, my favorite composer, sold art in some part, to make a living - to separate me from my cash.
Don't hate the player; hate the game. So no, I don't see things your way, for your opinion isn't too sound, my friend!
Yes; the implication in my total argument concerning how this board appears to be so vitriolic against Justin Timberlake is because he is a white man, who largely has the support of the white press who adores him and supports his quest to equal or momentarily replace Michael Jackson. It is utterly ridiculous to condemn him for appearing to chase musical trends; MJ never got this treatment from this board as he CLEARLY chased music trends! I rarely see anti-Chris Brown threads; I rarely see anti-Usher threads. Both artists are obvious Michael Jackson inspi- rations, and both artists chase trends. How do they manage to escape the enmity held for Justin Timberlake? Usher's entire career is one album following one trend after another. Chris Brown has no innovative bone in his body. But both singers are Black, so, is that why we never see the monthly "I hate Chris Brown/Usher" thread? Black singers are allowed to be explicitly influenced by Michael Jackson. But the one recording artist you're going to attack, for reasons I've already
explained are silly, is the southern white boy similarly stuck on MJ?
Like I said: it appears to be racist. And in this regard, the skin color of the hater has no regard. Musicslave, I don't know you well, but the hate that some posters have towards Justin Timber- lake in the Org is certainly strange and leaves one wondering where it is sourced from. I have no particular interest in JT other than some of his cuts are pretty dope. I just can't stand dumb people who make dumb claims and then can't back up any of their dumbness. And as you can see, by recent posts, there are some dumbass people in this forum who will go to great lengths to save face by appearing to actually enjoy being a dumbass.
Due to the massive growth and influence of R&B and Hip Hop music in the U.S. during the 80's and especially 90's, I don't doubt Justin's appreciation for R&B music. Some in the older generation seem to wrestle with the fact that Hip Hop wasn't just an isolated community phenomenon anymore since it was used to sell Post Fruity Pebbles to kids. Hell, probably before then. Once corporate america began to monetize the music and its culture, it was a wrap. So no, I'm not mad at R&B and Hip Hop's reach today.
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And yes, the adulation he received during his promotion for "The 20/20 Experience" was nauseating. But that's not the crux of my argument. My observation of trendchasing comes from a question of artistic integrity if you will. Don't be surprised if there's some country music on his new record either. After all, R&B isn't selling like it used to. We already got a little taste with this performance...
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He's going to get that T.S. money, plus Pop and R&B money. He's basically going to pull a reverse Taylor Swift. Maybe not a full on Country record but I think he's comfortable enough now to show his country roots. Especially after being so well received by that crowd from that performance above. It probably proved his instincts right. Besides, Country music sells regardless of trendlines I respect that audience for supporting their artists by the way.
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It's fine if you don't see things my way. That's your opinion. I'm fine with that.
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I remember this performance a few months ago! Justin turned The CMA Awards OUT! He was the talk of the Country community. He can sing Pop.RnB, & Country muziq.
will ALWAYS think of like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that wasn't of this earth, would not have been that surprised. R.I.P.
It is Justin Timberlake's white privilege that gets his music played on R&B and Pop stations.
However, I am the same age as Justin Timberlake, and grew up in the same era when R&B went pop, the time when black stars were prominent on MTV, and "Rapper's Delight" is older than both of us.
To treat him as a culture vulture is silly. He was raised in the same pop culture that everyone has been in for DECADES.
Don't forget his early training as a child on Mickey Mouse club where they regularly sang R&B songs. Here's a skit with Xscape:
How is he not when he has made an entire career off of ripping of black music?
That makes no sense when you are talking about the (black) POP stars of the nineteen eighties and nineties!
No it doesn't. You've got some big mouth dumbasses who think they know everything about music. When you point out that their opinions aren't really solid, they resort to trolling be- cause they're butt hurt. On top of that, most dumb asses couldn't tell you what makes Timber- lake's music inferior to Michael Jackson's, or any of MJ's epigones, outside of it simply being a matter of taste. So, when you see phrases like "better R&B music," I hope you realize that most dumb asses in this Org can't really tell you what "better R&B music" means or is outside of their opinion being largely influenced by mere taste in music. Kinda like this conversation:
Speaker A: Michael Jackson is a better songwriter and performer than Justin Timberlake. Speaker B: Oh yeah? How so? Speaker A: Well, I like his songs more than I like Timberlake's songs. Speaker B: Okay, but you said one was better than the other. Again: how so? Speaker A: I don't know! I just like MJ more. Speaker B: Then say that! Because the word "better" implies that you are appealing to some- thing other than taste! Speaker A: Fine! Dude, y'know, it's not that serious, actually. Speaker B: It is to me, you simple minded idiot.
The fact of the matter is that Cinny is right: Timberlake prospers because he benefits from being white; but "Timberfake," or whatever you wanna call him, is not consuming and then regurgita- tating, in a most disingenuous and affective way, Black American art forms for the sole sake of prospering off of them. He grew up in the south listening to Black American music; and he grew up in the age when Michael Jackson was the template for most pop music stars. How can you be a pop singer/entertainer born in the 80s and not be influenced, in some regard, by Michael Jack- son? What we have here are two or three imbeciles who think MJ's legacy is threatened by the media's adoration of TJ, and could actually be eclipsed by Justin Timberlake. Sadly, because they are dummies, they resort to hating Justin Timberlake as opposed to talking about the nuances involved.
Thank you! You would think this kind of legacy is a good thing. Michael Jackson himself said it "Why do we have to call it R&B music or pop music? Just call it good music."
No it doesn't. You've got some big mouth dumbasses who think they know everything about music. When you point out that their opinions aren't really solid, they resort to trolling be- cause they're butt hurt. On top of that, most dumb asses couldn't tell you what makes Timber- lake's music inferior to Michael Jackson's, or any of MJ's epigones, outside of it simply being a matter of taste. So, when you see phrases like "better R&B music," I hope you realize that most dumb asses in this Org can't really tell you what "better R&B music" means or is outside of their opinion being largely influenced by mere taste in music. Kinda like this conversation:
Speaker A: Michael Jackson is a better songwriter and performer than Justin Timberlake. Speaker B: Oh yeah? How so? Speaker A: Well, I like his songs more than I like Timberlake's songs. Speaker B: Okay, but you said one was better than the other. Again: how so? Speaker A: I don't know! I just like MJ more. Speaker B: Then say that! Because the word "better" implies that you are appealing to some- thing other than taste! Speaker A: Fine! Dude, y'know, it's not that serious, actually. Speaker B: It is to me, you simple minded idiot.
The fact of the matter is that Cinny is right: Timberlake prospers because he benefits from being white; but "Timberfake," or whatever you wanna call him, is not consuming and then regurgita- tating, in a most disingenuous and affective way, Black American art forms for the sole sake of prospering off of them. He grew up in the south listening to Black American music; and he grew up in the age when Michael Jackson was the template for most pop music stars. How can you be a pop singer/entertainer born in the 80s and not be influenced, in some regard, by Michael Jack- son? What we have here are two or three imbeciles who think MJ's legacy is threatened by the media's adoration of TJ, and could actually be eclipsed by Justin Timberlake. Sadly, because they are dummies, they resort to hating Justin Timberlake as opposed to talking about the nuances involved.
Thank you! You would think this kind of legacy is a good thing. Michael Jackson himself said it "Why do we have to call it R&B music or pop music? Just call it good music."
Agreed.
Michael Jackson was a goddamn genius. And Justin Timberlake can't touch the hem of MJ's garment, even though the media acts like JT is the shit. But, honestly, JT's work has been, for the most part, excellent and I'm sure MJ was proud to have JT as an emulator, wanting to shift the focus from skin color to just "good music."
There's enough room for everybody at the table of good music.
He gets 10 times the success of an R&B singer that makes better R&B music.
Well, JT's brand of pop&B never came close to Thriller or Bad, so rest ye, because no one is REALLY getting confused over impact, other than the cheap recycled headlines splashed on the front of magazines. Magazines aren't history books.
Thank you! You would think this kind of legacy is a good thing. Michael Jackson himself said it "Why do we have to call it R&B music or pop music? Just call it good music."
Agreed.
Michael Jackson was a goddamn genius. And Justin Timberlake can't touch the hem of MJ's garment, even though the media acts like JT is the shit. But, honestly, JT's work has been, for the most part, excellent and I'm sure MJ was proud to have JT as an emulator, wanting to shift the focus from skin color to just "good music."
There's enough room for everybody at the table of good music.
People trying to make Justin Timberlake's songs co-written with Timbaland and Pharrell compare to Pat Boone singing "Tutti Frutti". STAHP
Ugh, why can't he just stick to acting? That whiney singing voice is like nails on a chalk board for me.
That's the same thing I said. All these folks in here conveniently "FORGOT" that I said Justin was a talented voice actor for animated movies, etc. but of course they gloss over that and then attack me and MJCarousal by fabricating entire conversations to illustrate a "point" that no one said in the first place.....trolls a plenty around here.
No it doesn't. You've got some big mouth dumbasses who think they know everything about music. When you point out that their opinions aren't really solid, they resort to trolling be- cause they're butt hurt. On top of that, most dumb asses couldn't tell you what makes Timber- lake's music inferior to Michael Jackson's, or any of MJ's epigones, outside of it simply being a matter of taste. So, when you see phrases like "better R&B music," I hope you realize that most dumb asses in this Org can't really tell you what "better R&B music" means or is outside of their opinion being largely influenced by mere taste in music. Kinda like this conversation:
Speaker A: Michael Jackson is a better songwriter and performer than Justin Timberlake. Speaker B: Oh yeah? How so? Speaker A: Well, I like his songs more than I like Timberlake's songs. Speaker B: Okay, but you said one was better than the other. Again: how so? Speaker A: I don't know! I just like MJ more. Speaker B: Then say that! Because the word "better" implies that you are appealing to some- thing other than taste! Speaker A: Fine! Dude, y'know, it's not that serious, actually. Speaker B: It is to me, you simple minded idiot.
The fact of the matter is that Cinny is right: Timberlake prospers because he benefits from being white; but "Timberfake," or whatever you wanna call him, is not consuming and then regurgita- tating, in a most disingenuous and affective way, Black American art forms for the sole sake of prospering off of them. He grew up in the south listening to Black American music; and he grew up in the age when Michael Jackson was the template for most pop music stars. How can you be a pop singer/entertainer born in the 80s and not be influenced, in some regard, by Michael Jack- son? What we have here are two or three imbeciles who think MJ's legacy is threatened by the media's adoration of TJ, and could actually be eclipsed by Justin Timberlake. Sadly, because they are dummies, they resort to hating Justin Timberlake as opposed to talking about the nuances involved.
Thank you! You would think this kind of legacy is a good thing. Michael Jackson himself said it "Why do we have to call it R&B music or pop music? Just call it good music."
Agreed.
Michael Jackson was a goddamn genius. And Justin Timberlake can't touch the hem of MJ's garment, even though the media acts like JT is the shit. But, honestly, JT's work has been, for the most part, excellent and I'm sure MJ was proud to have JT as an emulator, wanting to shift the focus from skin color to just "good music."
There's enough room for everybody at the table of good music.
I can't believe I'm saying this but I actually agree with you.
Timberlake is a good voice actor for animated films but painfully mediocre as an artist. He's a "culture vulture" as they say. But whatever....
That's the same thing I said. All these folks in here conveniently "FORGOT" that I said Justin was a talented voice actor for animated movies, etc. but of course they gloss over that and then attack me and MJCarousal by fabricating entire conversations to illustrate a "point" that no one said in the first place.....trolls a plenty around here.
I would have to disagree with you, Dayze. Literally, you're only telling a third of the story. As you can see above, you voiced much more than JT's talent for voicing animated movies. This brings up the three points I've consistently made in this thread:
1. I don't think JT's a culture vulture as he is is not consuming and then regurgitatating, in a most disingenuous and affective way, Black American art forms for the sole sake of prospering off of them.
2. I don't think you can tell us what a "painfully mediocre" artist is. As I stated above, when most people say things like "He's a great artist" or "he's a shitty artist," what they really mean is "I like him as an artist" or "I don't like him as an artist" because most people cannot define what "good" or "bad" art is! There is no consensus as to what constitutes "good" art, "bad" art, or even "me- diocre" art!
3. As Cinny initially claimed, JT's hype comes from his white privilege, extended to him from the white media, and THIS is what pisses you off about his popularity more than anything else.
How is he not when he has made an entire career off of ripping of black music?
That makes no sense when you are talking about the (black) POP stars of the nineteen eighties and nineties!
This post makes no sense. What does Black pop stars from the 90s and 80's have to do with the fact that Justin (as a solo artist) has made an entire career off of taking from Black culture and music?
He gets 10 times the success of an R&B singer that makes better R&B music.
Well, JT's brand of pop&B never came close to Thriller or Bad, so rest ye, because no one is REALLY getting confused over impact, other than the cheap recycled headlines splashed on the front of magazines. Magazines aren't history books.
This has nothing to do with Michael so why bring him up?
I am not speaking in terms of impact. I am strictly referring to the way JT has been branded image and musically marketed as. His entire solo career has been fake water down imitations of black music as wel as his image. He also tries to associate himself with Black artists. He gets showered with grammys and awards as if makin R&B music is something that he innovated when D Angelo, Mint Condition and Anthony Hamilton been doing it since the beginning and do it better. My issue is that he is marginally talented and makes so so music but he is elevated more than what he is. All he does is steal from Black culture but he is always presented as inventive and innovative when he is not.
That makes no sense when you are talking about the (black) POP stars of the nineteen eighties and nineties!
This post makes no sense. What does Black pop stars from the 90s and 80's have to do with the fact that Justin (as a solo artist) has made an entire career off of taking from Black culture and music?
Because the concept of stealing this and that implies a lack of access, but Justin was born in the eighties when black R&B was already mainstream. The end.
Now go get mad at the magazines and radio stations that promote him but not your fave.
This post makes no sense. What does Black pop stars from the 90s and 80's have to do with the fact that Justin (as a solo artist) has made an entire career off of taking from Black culture and music?
Because the concept of stealing this and that implies a lack of access, but Justin was born in the eighties when black R&B was already mainstream. The end.
Now go get mad at the magazines and radio stations that promote him but not your fave.
No it is not the end. Justin Timberlake is a culture vulture that is MY opinion you are not obligated to agree and your argument makes no sense whatsoever. This argument is not about R&B int he eighties or how it was in the nineties. This argument is about JUSTIN and how is appropiates Black culture, artistry and music in HIS brand and music. He has appropiated it since he was a solo artist. He has been compared to various black artists and singers, MJ, Stevie, Sammy, etc. He purposely copies and mimics sounds of black artists i.e. MJ, Prince, old R&B from 80s's, etc.
Because the concept of stealing this and that implies a lack of access, but Justin was born in the eighties when black R&B was already mainstream. The end.
Now go get mad at the magazines and radio stations that promote him but not your fave.
No it is not the end. Justin Timberlake is a culture vulture that is MY opinion you are not obligated to agree and your argument makes no sense whatsoever. This argument is not about R&B int he eighties or how it was in the nineties. This argument is about JUSTIN and how is appropiates Black culture, artistry and music in HIS brand and music. He has appropiated it since he was a solo artist. He has been compared to various black artists and singers, MJ, Stevie, Sammy, etc. He purposely copies and mimics sounds of black artists i.e. MJ, Prince, old R&B from 80s's, etc.
You're saying this because he is white, but I know that the height of New Jack Swing, for instance, was the exact years we were in GRADE SCHOOL. You don't think you're looking at an artist who was brought up in R&B, but he was-- because it was MAINSTREAM. It's not some obscure thing. Maybe he wants to work with Pharrell because the SWV remix was #1 when he was in JUNIOR HIGH.
Obviously, Timbaland sees it for him because they collaborated as producers for years.
What I miss is seeing black artists promoted they were in the nineteen eighties and nineties, and The Weeknd is not what I mean. Funny you never picked on him. He has the exact same influences.
3. As Cinny initially claimed, JT's hype comes from his white privilege, extended to him from the white media, and THIS is what pisses you off about his popularity more than anything else.
The lack of promotion for other artists bugs me too, and it seems to be worse since the labels collapsed. WAY less diversity, less official major albums offered, and not followed up with televised events.
No it is not the end. Justin Timberlake is a culture vulture that is MY opinion you are not obligated to agree and your argument makes no sense whatsoever. This argument is not about R&B int he eighties or how it was in the nineties. This argument is about JUSTIN and how is appropiates Black culture, artistry and music in HIS brand and music. He has appropiated it since he was a solo artist. He has been compared to various black artists and singers, MJ, Stevie, Sammy, etc. He purposely copies and mimics sounds of black artists i.e. MJ, Prince, old R&B from 80s's, etc.
You're saying this because he is white, but I know that the height of New Jack Swing, for instance, was the exact years we were in GRADE SCHOOL. You don't think you're looking at an artist who was brought up in R&B, but he was-- because it was MAINSTREAM. It's not some obscure thing. Maybe he wants to work with Pharrell because the SWV remix was #1 when he was in JUNIOR HIGH.
Obviously, Timbaland sees it for him because they collaborated as producers for years.
What I miss is seeing black artists promoted they were in the nineteen eighties and nineties, and The Weeknd is not what I mean. Funny you never picked on him. He has the exact same influences.
Your really missing some key things here about appropiation. Culture appropiation is when members of the dominature culture (Whites) exploits members of minority groups/culture by taking elements from the minority culture and giving their own interpretation of it (often lacking an authentic understanding of what it is).The fact of the matter is his music, image and brand is a carbon copy imitation of Black music and artistry. He does not authentically represent the pure nature of R&B or Soul.
JT is a culture vulture in every sense of the word. I was pissed off when the white media had the audacity to compare him to Sammy Davis and Stevie Wonder. This most definitly has everything to do with his race and white priveledge becuase if he was a black singer he would not nearly get this much ass kissing for doing the same shit Black R&B singers have been doing since the beginning of time.
You're saying this because he is white, but I know that the height of New Jack Swing, for instance, was the exact years we were in GRADE SCHOOL. You don't think you're looking at an artist who was brought up in R&B, but he was-- because it was MAINSTREAM. It's not some obscure thing. Maybe he wants to work with Pharrell because the SWV remix was #1 when he was in JUNIOR HIGH.
Obviously, Timbaland sees it for him because they collaborated as producers for years.
What I miss is seeing black artists promoted they were in the nineteen eighties and nineties, and The Weeknd is not what I mean. Funny you never picked on him. He has the exact same influences.
Your really missing some key things here about appropiation. Culture appropiation is when members of the dominature culture (Whites) exploits members of minority groups/culture by taking elements from the minority culture and giving their own interpretation of it (often lacking an authentic understanding of what it is).The fact of the matter is his music, image and brand is a carbon copy imitation of Black music and artistry. He does not authentically represent the pure nature of R&B or Soul.
It boils down to skin colour and experience. This argument goes over way easier in the early days of rock and roll when those recordings weren't even carried in the same stores.
JT is a culture vulture in every sense of the word. I was pissed off when the white media had the audacity to compare him to Sammy Davis and Stevie Wonder. This most definitly has everything to do with his race and white priveledge becuase if he was a black singer he would not nearly get this much ass kissing for doing the same shit Black R&B singers have been doing since the beginning of time.
Well, that would piss me off too, but no one is being fooled by that when we talk about history.
It boils down to skin colour and experience. This argument goes over way easier in the early days of rock and roll when those recordings weren't even carried in the same stores.
JT is a culture vulture in every sense of the word. I was pissed off when the white media had the audacity to compare him to Sammy Davis and Stevie Wonder. This most definitly has everything to do with his race and white priveledge becuase if he was a black singer he would not nearly get this much ass kissing for doing the same shit Black R&B singers have been doing since the beginning of time.
Well, that would piss me off too, but no one is being fooled by that when we talk about history.
JT is white that automatically gives him priveledge and the United States (just in general) is famous for cultural appropiation especially with groups and culture that are non Western.
My point is, I am not specifically calling him a culture vulture because he is "White." There is a more to my argument which I hope now you understand where I am coming from. JT's race, being white, already gives him superiority (majorirty group) and with the particular platform that he has (international pop star), he, his labels, producers etc has the means to give an interpretation of (what Black music might sound like) which ends up being water down and safe for white audiences. By definition, that is cultural appropiation, thus making him a culture vulture.
JT is white that automatically gives him priveledge and the United States (just in general) is famous for cultural appropiation especially with groups and culture that are non Western.
My point is, I am not specifically calling him a culture vulture because he is "White." There is a more to my argument which I hope now you understand where I am coming from. JT's race, being white, already gives him superiority (majorirty group) and with the particular platform that he has (international pop star), he, his labels, producers etc has the means to give an interpretation of (what Black music might sound like) which ends up being water down and safe for white audiences. By definition, that is cultural appropiation, thus making him a culture vulture.
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So Pharrell and Timberlake are complicit in allowing a white artist to take elements of their Black American artistic culture, water it down to make it palatable for white audiences, so that Timberlake can chiefly profit from it in the guise of being a genuine purveyor of said culture?
Get outta here, Carousal.
If you want to put it harshly because you simply dislike Justin Timberlake's whiney voice and wooden dance moves and his hype (which is what most of y'all are suffering from): he's a white boy in love with aspects of Black American culture - that does not make him a culture vulture. By the way, if you look up that phrase, it mostly means "someone who is excessively or pretentiously interested in the arts" as rendered by several online dictionaries.
It's this logic that I keep reading and don't agree with. You always start with his skin, and end with that.
Yep.
She can't see it or won't see it, but she's being a racist. She only sees "white boy" doing/perform- ing "black music" who gets major hype, and she doesn't like his music so he's a "culture vulture."
Well, JT's brand of pop&B never came close to Thriller or Bad, so rest ye, because no one is REALLY getting confused over impact, other than the cheap recycled headlines splashed on the front of magazines. Magazines aren't history books.
This has nothing to do with Michael so why bring him up?
I am not speaking in terms of impact. I am strictly referring to the way JT has been branded image and musically marketed as. His entire solo career has been fake water down imitations of black music as wel as his image. He also tries to associate himself with Black artists. He gets showered with grammys and awards as if makin R&B music is something that he innovated when D Angelo, Mint Condition and Anthony Hamilton been doing it since the beginning and do it better. My issue is that he is marginally talented and makes so so music but he is elevated more than what he is. All he does is steal from Black culture but he is always presented as inventive and innovative when he is not.
Thank you....these folks are being disingenous really but they know exactly the point being made. Denial is a powerful tactic to keep right along with bad behavior....
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Hell, probably before then. Once corporate america began to monetize the music and its culture, it was a wrap. So no, I'm not mad at R&B and Hip Hop's reach today.
I respect that audience for supporting their artists by the way. 
will ALWAYS think of 
like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. 
