mjscarousal said:

duccichucka said:

There is a difference between "culture vulture-ism" and "cultural appropriation." For example:
my father was in the military so we lived overseas. We spent four years in Okinawa. There, I
took karate and drank green tea and did other things that were in line with Japanese and Oki-
nawan culture that was outside our American culture. I have appropriated the practice of drinking
green tea in my diet here in the states. I respect Japanese and Okinawan cultural aspects. So,
I think you are using words carelessly and you are not thinking much about what you're saying in
this thread. There can be a positive cultural appropriation like when you eat pizza or sushi.

Boy, you are consistent with your racism, as this is strictly a case built on Justin Timberlake's
skin color. Proof? We would not be having this argument if Justin Timberlake was a Black
Nigerian, completely new to Black American art forms, and using Michael Jackson and R&B
pop as his template for performing/recording pop music. Your argument is racist because you
don't think about what you're saying.

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Your argument is racist and you are beyond ignorant and pathetic. You have no clue what cultural appropiation is but keep spewing your immaturity and ignorance since that is what you are good at.

How so? How am I beyond ignorant and pathetic? How have I demonstrated that I have no
clue what cultural appropriation is? And how am I spewing immaturity and ignorance? You're
just making claims with no basis. I know you have no clue what I was talking about in
my most recent post, so I'll clear it up for you:

If a Black Nigerian, wholly different from American Blacks culturally, (let's call him Bichael
Mackson!) came to the US and grew up listening to Michael Jackson, that would be an example
of cultural appropriation. Why? Because Mackson is culturally Nigerian, even though he is
Black! But you and I both know that you and your other dimwitted pal would not have a problem
with this because of the color of his skin. You have a problem with Timberlake because he's a
WASP. Why a WASP? Because I never see you arguing about Mayer Hawthorne's music, who is
a Jewish dude performing R&B. This is probably because you either don't know/listen to his music
or you don't want to be called anti-Semitic.

Your argument is racist. But you're too dense to see why. Or, like I said, you're that poster
who, when revealed to be making just really bad arguments, sticks to her bad argument because
she can't afford to lose face as that would then mean you "lost the debate" - so you have an ele-
ment of pride involved. But it's not about pride and your silly ego, Carousal; this is about dia-
lectics and getting to discover the truth! Let's be clear here: your argument is racist because
it is entirely built off of Justin Timberlake's skin color. You erroneously wrap it up in a socio-
logical concept that you are, ironically, misappropriating.

Grow the fuck up and put on your thinking cap. Or, stay dumb as fuck.

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Graycap23 said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Amazing how some people in this thread are upset that people don't like like Justin Timberlake Nevermind the fact that he's MEDIOCRE...

Bingo.

Prove it.

You're another big mouth who thinks their taste in music is so superior to everybody else
in Music: Non-Prince but when asked to elaborate or explain their position, you can't. Just
like I know you and the other nitwit above can't tell us how Justin Timberlake is mediocre
and what standard of music you're appealing to to make that statement.

In other words: shut the fuck up!

duccichucka said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Amazing how some people in this thread are upset that people don't like like Justin Timberlake but then say we are only saying we don't like him because he's white doing "black" music....yeah okay, THAT is the reason. Nevermind the fact that he's MEDIOCRE...that's not the reason huh? So, all of the promotion and accolades he gets is because he's just soooooooooo much better than the black artists who are underpromoted and not treated well by these same record labels....

Prove or show that Justin Timberlake is "mediocre." Prove or show that the media's hype of
Justin Timberlake has included claims that he's "just sooooooooooo much better than the black
artists who are underpromoted and not treated well by these same record labels."

I think if you can't do these two things, then you should leave the thread.

See everybody?!?!?!?

If you ask her to prove her point, she's quiet as a church mouse. She's YET to tell us HOW
Timberlake is mediocre. And she can't point to ANY promotion or accolate he's received because
some music critic said he's (JT) so much better than other black R&B recording artists. But else-
where in this thread, she's so loudmouthed! Just one dumb opinion after another. You've yet
to realize that just because you have an opinion doesn't mean anything. You have the right to
have the opinion, for example, that the earth is flat. But that doesn't mean that you aren't then
stupid to have that opinion.

I would ask you to grow up and put on your thinking cap too, but in your cohort, you are clearly
the least abled.

See you turds later. But, I'll be around in other threads, making sure your lunacy has some limit -
good lord. "The Three Dumbigos."

duccichucka said:

Graycap23 said:

duccichucka said:

Prove it.

You're another big mouth who thinks their taste in music is so superior to everybody else
in Music: Non-Prince but when asked to elaborate or explain their position, you can't. Just
like I know you and the other nitwit above can't tell us how Justin Timberlake is mediocre
and what standard of music you're appealing to to make that statement.

In other words: shut the fuck up!

lol......my opinion relates to what I like. I really don't care what other people like.

He's bitter and hostile. He only gets this worked up about white artists only....

SeventeenDayze said:

Graycap23 said:

duccichucka said: lol......my opinion relates to what I like. I really don't care what other people like.

He's bitter and hostile. He only gets this worked up about white artists only....

It a fools errand. How does one prove an artist worth to someone else?

Lol........just plain dumb.

SeventeenDayze said:

Graycap23 said:

duccichucka said: lol......my opinion relates to what I like. I really don't care what other people like.

He's bitter and hostile. He only gets this worked up about white artists only....

Ugh. You're so silly: I only get worked up about RACISM - not only when white people are
racist against us, but when ANYBODY is racist. I can't stand that shit, and your opinion on
this matter is fucking racist. You're just too dense to see it.

And like I asked you earlier - where were you in 2002/2003 when I got banned for ranting and
raving about Led Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones getting knighted while ripping off Black blues
musicians who were dying while in the throes of poverty? You were in 3rd grade, breath still
smelling like Similac.

Get lost, Dayze. And I noticed you still haven't answered my request: show us how Justin
Timberlake is mediocre. Do this, or shut up!

Graycap23 said:

SeventeenDayze said:

He's bitter and hostile. He only gets this worked up about white artists only....

It a fools errand. How does one prove an artist worth to someone else?

Lol........just plain dumb.

This is a dumb ass post, Gray.

If you can't show how somebody is good, then how dare you open your big mouth and tell us
somebody is mediocre? People who actually think about why they like/dislike/kinda like/dislike
an artist can explain why. They can appeal to standards in music/art that they feel the artist is
upholding, challenging, or not upholding or not challenging. They can show or explain how an
artist's compositions are well written, poorly written, or middling. They can talk about why an
artist is innovative or not; how an artist challenges artistic conventions or doesn't; how an artist
upholds conventions or doesn't. This is what thoughtful people can do. This is what a thoughtful
post would contain. Your posts (sometimes) and the Dimwits Duo's posts NEVER have these
insights.

So when you agree with the clam that Justin Timberlake is mediocre but then cower and hide
behind "How does one prove an artist worth to someone else," you are being utterly hypocritical.
Again, if you can talk about how an artist is mediocre, then how can you not talk about how an
artist is good?

Fuck outta here, bro.

duccichucka said:

Graycap23 said:

It a fools errand. How does one prove an artist worth to someone else?

Lol........just plain dumb.

This is a dumb ass post, Gray.

If you can't show how somebody is good, then how dare you open your big mouth and tell us
somebody is mediocre? People who actually think about why they like/dislike/kinda like/dislike
an artist can explain why. They can appeal to standards in music/art that they feel the artist is
upholding, challenging, or not upholding or not challenging. They can show or explain how an
artist's compositions are well written, poorly written, or middling. They can talk about why an
artist is innovative or not; how an artist challenges artistic conventions or doesn't; how an artist
upholds conventions or doesn't. This is what thoughtful people can do. This is what a thoughtful
post would contain. Your posts (sometimes) and the Dimwits Duo's posts NEVER have these
insights.

So when you agree with the clam that Justin Timberlake is mediocre but then cower and hide
behind "How does one prove an artist worth to someone else," you are being utterly hypocritical.
Again, if you can talk about how an artist is mediocre, then how can you not talk about how an
artist is good?

Fuck outta here, bro.

I'll take your advice.........I'm out.

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Graycap23 said:

I'll your advise, what does that mean, is it correct?

214 said:

I'll your advise, what does that mean, is it correct?

That means I'm not going to debate the merits of a below average artist.

Graycap23 said:

214 said:

I'll your advise, what does that mean, is it correct?

That means I'm not going to debate the merits of a below average artist.

Because you can't. You can't even debate the merits of an above average artist, so
why should we take your opinion on whose good, bad, or mediocre seriously? You
literally don't know what you're talking about outside you simply do not like Justin Tim-
berlake's music. You don't know why and neither can you articulate why: there's no
reason you have for disliking his music that has anything to do with appealing to available
standards for what makes music "bad," "good," or "mediocre." The only thing you
can appeal to is you simply do not like him - end of story. But don't make it seem like
your disklike for him is due to your serious study of his music and how it doesn't live up
to standards of good music. You.can't.do.that. That is my point to you and the other
two doofuses!

And I thought I kicked you outta this thread?

SoulAlive said:

I like three songs by Justin: "Rock Your Body" (MJ was crazy for turning down this jam),"My Love",and "Suit and Tie".I can't call myself a huge fan but he is an OK artist....capable of delivering a good song here and there.

Agreed.

And this is the same thing that can pretty much be said about most recording artists that have
ever existed: if you look hard enough, and are honest, and don't care what people think, most
artists can give you a good song here and there.

duccichucka said:

SoulAlive said:

I like three songs by Justin: "Rock Your Body" (MJ was crazy for turning down this jam),"My Love",and "Suit and Tie".I can't call myself a huge fan but he is an OK artist....capable of delivering a good song here and there.

Agreed.

And this is the same thing that can pretty much be said about most recording artists that have
ever existed: if you look hard enough, and are honest, and don't care what people think, most
artists can give you a good song here and there.

Great. You've got a point.

214 said:

duccichucka said:

Agreed.

And this is the same thing that can pretty much be said about most recording artists that have
ever existed: if you look hard enough, and are honest, and don't care what people think, most
artists can give you a good song here and there.

Great. You've got a point.

Thank you very much, but it was really Soul's excellent post that is great. I can give you an
example: Backstreet Boys, a boy band, are known for being "corny" and are probably held in
low esteem by hi-falutin' sophisticated music lovers in the Org. But "Shape of My Heart" is
a song that I really enjoy listening to. But if you admit that you like the Backstreet Boys in
this message board, your "expertise" in music will be questioned and you'll never be able to
be taken seriously.

But the Org Taste Police can go kick rocks with flip-flops, if you ask me. None of them know
just what in the hell they are talking about anyways, as you can clearly see in this thread.

SoulAlive said:

I like three songs by Justin: "Rock Your Body" (MJ was crazy for turning down this jam),"My Love",and "Suit and Tie".I can't call myself a huge fan but he is an OK artist....capable of delivering a good song here and there.

But I bet you dont delusionally think that he is on the same level as Sammy Davis Jr

Graycap23 said:

SeventeenDayze said:

He's bitter and hostile. He only gets this worked up about white artists only....

It a fools errand. How does one prove an artist worth to someone else?

Lol........just plain dumb.

Yep, not even worth engaging.

mjscarousal said:

SoulAlive said:

I like three songs by Justin: "Rock Your Body" (MJ was crazy for turning down this jam),"My Love",and "Suit and Tie".I can't call myself a huge fan but he is an OK artist....capable of delivering a good song here and there.

But I bet you dont delusionally think that he is on the same level as Sammy Davis Jr

Yeah I'm glad I never saw that thread. I probably would have been banned a few days

SeventeenDayze said:

mjscarousal said:

But I bet you dont delusionally think that he is on the same level as Sammy Davis Jr

Yeah I'm glad I never saw that thread. I probably would have been banned a few days

He has a good voice, but who is he? I refer to him as a mockingbird.

He puts on a costume of soul singers of yesteryear or rappers and steps out like he is original.

OldFriends4Sale said:

He has a good voice, but who is he? I refer to him as a mockingbird.

He puts on a costume of soul singers of yesteryear or rappers and steps out like he is original.

Well said. That's exactly what he's about...

mjscarousal said:

Graycap23 said:

It a fools errand. How does one prove an artist worth to someone else?

Lol........just plain dumb.

Yep, not even worth engaging.

It is worth engaging. Do you read the work of music critics, say, at a site like Pitchfork? What
about AllMusic? Or RollingStone? People make a living talking about what is "good" and what is
"bad." For example, here are a few reviews of my favorite Prince album:

http://www.popmatters.com/column/142299-princes-parade/

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/review/26789/Prince-Parade/

http://www.allmusic.com/album/parade-mw0000650653


So, you don't have to break an album down compositionally, but at least one is able to speak
intelligently about why they like or dislike an album. And you gals need to chill with the hostility:

this shit is over three weeks old, ain't it?!?!

OldFriends4Sale said:

He has a good voice, but who is he? I refer to him as a mockingbird.

He puts on a costume of soul singers of yesteryear or rappers and steps out like he is original.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Not you too! Oh, my heart is breaking! Well listen, Friends: JT is certainly not original and I
don't think anyone can make that claim. But, we can claim that he is not a culture vulture
even though he definitely benefits from a predominantly white press. And whoever said that
JT was on the same level of Sammy Davis Jr may be sadly mistaken. SD Jr was an original!

RJOrion said:

nah...Robin Thicke is the one with "the costume of soulsingers of yesteryear"...masquerading around the world with his albino Marvin Gaye mask, claiming "Troubleman" and "Got To Give It Up" (among others) as his own...Timberlake is so mediocre and juvenile, i aint even mad at him...let him try to be like MJ and Usher...hes kinda harmless...Thicke is the one who needs his ass kicked...

I'm just saying he needs to be himself.
When he was at some awards show and their was some kind of tramatic even that happened, and everyone showed how they have no voice for the generation anymore. He did either Marvin Gayes 'What's Going On?' or something by Stevie Wonder... from the 70s. Like he was the man. I'm just shaking my head asking 'where is your voice for this generation?"

duccichucka said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

He has a good voice, but who is he? I refer to him as a mockingbird.

He puts on a costume of soul singers of yesteryear or rappers and steps out like he is original.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Not you too! Oh, my heart is breaking! Well listen, Friends: JT is certainly not original and I
don't think anyone can make that claim. But, we can claim that he is not a culture vulture
even though he definitely benefits from a predominantly white press. And whoever said that
JT was on the same level of Sammy Davis Jr may be sadly mistaken. SD Jr was an original!

lol

Someone showed me a thing he did on Jimmy Fallon(?) talk show where Justin did a breakdown of Hip Hop over the years, backed by the Roots. And everyone is going "Oh Justin is so talented" I'm I'm shaking my head saying "He wasn't even awake when most of that stuff he is reciting was on the radio, and he is just reciting what QuestLuv told him" the real talent was on the instruments behind him... Where is Tariq -Black Thought??