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Thread started 03/08/16 10:48pm

mjscarousal

okay lets just keep it real, why does JANET not care about her legacy?!?

Why does she not give a fuq about her legacy? eek She really has a indifferent attitude toward her legacy. It frustrating see an ICON like Janet succumb to the industry's treatment of her. So she just gonna allow them to erase her legacy/accomplishments?

The annivary of Control just passed and there was nothing same with RN. Why is she allowing her legacy to just wither away? She doesnt have to tour or make music but why not invest in the back catalog? Give back to fans by giving behind the scenes footages, demos, etc. Those are things SHE can do herself. She doesn't need the industry in order to do those things. In other words, she doesnt have to go on award shows, makeanymore albums or ever tour again but there are other things she can do to preserve her legacy and to expose her classics to current generation. From what I see, she doesnt seem to care either way. I would think after all she has done in her career, she would care somewhat about her legacy. This whole indifferent attitude Janet has toward her legacy has always been offputting. Prince is the same way. They do themselves a grave disservice with that mentality. You dont get generational fans/new fans with that attitude. I notice hardly any of Janets videos and music is on youtube either. What the hell is going on with her? Janet is better than this. I understand she is living her life, married, etc but she can still preserve her legacy.She STILL has fans and could potentially develop new ones if she exposed her classics to newer generations. Thoughts?

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Reply #1 posted 03/08/16 11:24pm

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mjscarousal said:

Why does she not give a fuq about her legacy? eek She really has a indifferent attitude toward her legacy. It frustrating see an ICON like Janet succumb to the industry's treatment of her. So she just gonna allow them to erase her legacy/accomplishments?


The annivary of Control just passed and there was nothing same with RN. Why is she allowing her legacy to just wither away? She doesnt have to tour or make music but why not invest in the back catalog? Give back to fans by giving behind the scenes footages, demos, etc. Those are things SHE can do herself. She doesn't need the industry in order to do those things. In other words, she doesnt have to go on award shows, makeanymore albums or ever tour again but there are other things she can do to preserve her legacy and to expose her classics to current generation. From what I see, she doesnt seem to care either way. I would think after all she has done in her career, she would care somewhat about her legacy. This whole indifferent attitude Janet has toward her legacy has always been offputting. Prince is the same way. They do themselves a grave disservice with that mentality. You dont get generational fans/new fans with that attitude. I notice hardly any of Janets videos and music is on youtube either. What the hell is going on with her? Janet is better than this. I understand she is living her life, married, etc but she can still preserve her legacy.She STILL has fans and could potentially develop new ones if she exposed her classics to newer generations. Thoughts?

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What do u mean her videos are not on YouTube???!!! This is news to me. I'm irritated she's not pushing to get her albums re certified, and I know she's humble about everything and downplays her achievements, but I'm beginning to wonder if she really knows she's that good or not. She always downplayed her success, talent, status, achievements, etc. Over the years and her having the Janet museum at the shows and design me contest were the very few times she gave herself credit. I know she was raised to not be vain about these things but wonder if it's a self esteem issue and if some other things are contributing to sudden cancellations
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Reply #2 posted 03/08/16 11:48pm

mjscarousal

^ Well it doesn't seem to be that many Janet related videos on youtube and at one point I believe none of her videos were up. I also don't think she is that humble lol and I have receipts to show it.She doesn't have to recertify her albums. Just give back more to the fans and maybe do more documentaries, behind the scenes footages, etc that gives more in depth looks at her past albums, concerts, videos etc. It just seems like she doesn't want to do nothing at all and she is happy with the way things are. I just question if overall this is good for her legacy. What is she doing to introduce her classics to this generation? How is she preserving her legacy? So she is going to let another 10 years go by and not do anything to preserve her legacy? IMO, Janet can boycott the industry BUT she should care about her legacy at the very least. The music industry doesnt seem to be in her favor so she is going to have to take the initiative to preserve her own legacy. My question is, why doesnt she care?

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Reply #3 posted 03/09/16 12:21am

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It is strange, isn't it? I wonder if the SuperBowl aftermath scarred her more than we could have known, coupled with the mj scandals. Doesn't justify whether she's humble or not but one has to wonder how Janet really feels. Nobody has asked her a proper question, cause it's almost like she lost everything as a result of one slip, though I know she's had successes after still and well deservedly too
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Reply #4 posted 03/09/16 2:14am

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mjscarousal said:

Why does she not give a fuq about her legacy? eek She really has a indifferent attitude toward her legacy. It frustrating see an ICON like Janet succumb to the industry's treatment of her. So she just gonna allow them to erase her legacy/accomplishments?

The annivary of Control just passed and there was nothing same with RN. Why is she allowing her legacy to just wither away? She doesnt have to tour or make music but why not invest in the back catalog? Give back to fans by giving behind the scenes footages, demos, etc. Those are things SHE can do herself. She doesn't need the industry in order to do those things. In other words, she doesnt have to go on award shows, makeanymore albums or ever tour again but there are other things she can do to preserve her legacy and to expose her classics to current generation. From what I see, she doesnt seem to care either way. I would think after all she has done in her career, she would care somewhat about her legacy. This whole indifferent attitude Janet has toward her legacy has always been offputting. Prince is the same way. They do themselves a grave disservice with that mentality. You dont get generational fans/new fans with that attitude. I notice hardly any of Janets videos and music is on youtube either. What the hell is going on with her? Janet is better than this. I understand she is living her life, married, etc but she can still preserve her legacy.She STILL has fans and could potentially develop new ones if she exposed her classics to newer generations. Thoughts?

I don't know. This is something i've been wondering myself. It's so frustrating being a fan of hers. She's basically been reduced to a one hit wonder that happened to be related to MJ, and is doing nothing to fix it. When your most viewed music video doesn't even have your name on it, there's a big problem. At least with Prince he is the one activley making the decision to not engage in streaming, youtube etc. It's a career choice and I can accept that. Janet, on the other hand does have a vevo account, she DOES have her music on spotify. There has just been ZERO promotion. Another thing is that, it's possible some of her videos are blocked in countries outside of the US (not sure about this) and that keeps streaming down aswell. Also issues with her old label may be the reason why she has two seperate, verified pages which hurts cohesion massivley (case in point: madonna).

The 30th anniversery of control was SUCH a missed oppertunity. She could have, at the very least bought an itunes banner for the album to try and increase catalog sales. Instead it flew completely under the radar to the GP.

The whole unbreakable era was a complete mistake in my opinion. Despite being a good album. That's not enough. All it has sereved to do is ruin what little credibility she had left. If she had no interest in rededicating herself to the industry fully she shouldn't have even bothered. Maybe she feels like she's above promoting herself at this point? Look at Mariah's "Emancipation of Mimi" era for example. A big part of the reason that come back happened is because Mariah, despite being an icon, was NOT afraid to promote herself. She was on every talkshow. Or maybe she thought twitter followers would translate to sales and was discuraged to find that wasn't the case?

All I know is, all of Janet's naysayers are coming out on top. What a way to end your career. SMH.

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Reply #5 posted 03/09/16 7:38am

KCOOLMUZIQ

The Jackson family is about to be rocked again with an unfortunate inevitable situation. Let's all pray for them...

[Edited 3/9/16 8:10am]

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #6 posted 03/09/16 8:00am

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I think that Janet has done her dues. She's an icon and she doesn't have anything to prove to anyone anymore but I kinda agree that someone from her camp should invest on her back catalogue and expose it to the new generation. Janet's Rhythm Nation (song with a social message) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beyonce's formation song (if you could even call that a socially conscious song but younger people or her stans think it is 😂)
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Reply #7 posted 03/09/16 8:07am

Musicslave

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

The Jackson family is about to be rocked again with an a unfortunate inevitable situation. Let's all pray for them...

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I hope you're not basing this opinion from MediaTakeOut story. These so-called "sources". They're known for missing it and running with a story anyway because they're ratchet and don't care about any truth of any matter.

[Edited 3/9/16 8:14am]

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What do u mean her videos are not on YouTube???!!! This is news to me. I'm irritated she's not pushing to get her albums re certified, and I know she's humble about everything and downplays her achievements, but I'm beginning to wonder if she really knows she's that good or not. She always downplayed her success, talent, status, achievements, etc. Over the years and her having the Janet museum at the shows and design me contest were the very few times she gave herself credit. I know she was raised to not be vain about these things but wonder if it's a self esteem issue and if some other things are contributing to sudden cancellations [Edited 3/8/16 23:25pm]


All of Janet's videos are currently on YouTube as far as I can tell.

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I checked out some of Janet's videos on YouTube and was really shocked to see the low number of views even on her classic songs. Anyone know why that is? Someone from her camp should really start promoting her classics.
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Reply #10 posted 03/09/16 8:25am

KCOOLMUZIQ

Musicslave said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

The Jackson family is about to be rocked again with an a unfortunate inevitable situation. Let's all pray for them...

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I hope you're not basing this opinion from MediaTakeOut story. These so-called "sources". They're known for missing it and running with a story anyway because they're ratchet and don't care about any truth of any matter.

[Edited 3/9/16 8:14am]

It's the only logical reason Janet would want to remain close to the States at this time.

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #11 posted 03/09/16 8:38am

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Janet Jackson's 2009 double compilation, Number Ones, is still the best compilation of her pop work starting at 1986 and was REMASTERED FOR THE GODS (still loud enough to be heard in the clouds).

[img:$uid]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fa/Janet_Jackson_-_Number_Ones_album_cover.png[/img:$uid]

What Have You Done For Me Lately
Nasty
When I Think Of You
Control
Let's Wait Awhile
The Pleasure Principle
Diamonds
Miss You Much
Rhythm Nation
Escapade
Alright
Come Back To Me
Black Cat
Love Will Never Do (Without You)
The Best Things In Life Are Free
That's The Way Love Goes
If
Again
Because Of Love
Any Time, Any Place
Scream
Runaway
Got `Til Its Gone
Together Again
I Get Lonely
Go Deep
What's It Gonna Be
Doesn't Really Matter
All For You
Someone To Call My Lover
All Nite (Don't Stop)
Call On Me
Feedback
Make Me



If we are talking about her video legacy, yeah, I wish Universal Music had paired this with a DVD (and "Call On Me", "Feedback", and "Make Me" were never on DVD). I have noticed some videos missing on YouTube, and the most watched ones are uploaded from fan accounts.

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Reply #12 posted 03/09/16 8:45am

Musicslave

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Musicslave said:

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I hope you're not basing this opinion from MediaTakeOut story. These so-called "sources". They're known for missing it and running with a story anyway because they're ratchet and don't care about any truth of any matter.

[Edited 3/9/16 8:14am]

It's the only logical reason Janet would want to remain close to the States at this time.

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I just choose to respect her and the family privacy IF that is even the case. It would make sense to cancel everything to be by her dad's side if that was the case but again... I don't like speculating.

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Reply #13 posted 03/09/16 8:54am

KCOOLMUZIQ

Musicslave said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

It's the only logical reason Janet would want to remain close to the States at this time.

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I just choose to respect her and the family privacy IF that is even the case. It would make sense to cancel everything to be by her dad's side if that was the case but again... I don't like speculating.

Katherine is not in the best of health herself. So I can understand Janet wanting to be close.

I support her. I'm not going to throw her under the bus, for her understandable decision to cancel her European tour. Family comes first.

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #14 posted 03/09/16 9:02am

Cinny

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I thought it conflicted with that Dubai Cup preparation.

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Reply #15 posted 03/09/16 9:29am

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Musicslave said:

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I just choose to respect her and the family privacy IF that is even the case. It would make sense to cancel everything to be by her dad's side if that was the case but again... I don't like speculating.

Katherine is not in the best of health herself. So I can understand Janet wanting to be close.

I support her. I'm not going to throw her under the bus, for her understandable decision to cancel her European tour. Family comes first.

You act like you know all kind of things, but you know just as much as everybody else here.

You don't know what going on in her family, you're just making up things.

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Reply #16 posted 03/09/16 9:49am

KCOOLMUZIQ

rolleyes

I never claimed to know what's going on. It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to know both Katherine & Poppa Joe have had health issues lately DUDE...

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eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #17 posted 03/09/16 10:08am

Scorp

She cares about her legacy

But when you've been crashed on for years when its unwarranted

At that moment, the human toll begins to outweigh the entertainment value
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Reply #18 posted 03/09/16 10:35am

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

rolleyes

I never claimed to know what's going on. It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to know both Katherine & Poppa Joe have had health issues lately DUDE...

[Edited 3/9/16 9:51am]

of course you do, you said "Katherine is not in the best of health herself. So I can understand Janet wanting to be close."

You don't know anything if Katherine's has health issues, if there are any. Just because she is old doesn't mean there are health issues.

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Reply #19 posted 03/09/16 10:52am

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She cares about her legacy But when you've been crashed on for years when its unwarranted At that moment, the human toll begins to outweigh the entertainment value


I agree.


Plus, she's seen the price paid for legacy, up close and personal.

She's one of the most successful and influential artists of her generation, and that seems to be good enough for her.

There's nothing wrong with that. As a matter of fact, there's something very healthy about it.

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Reply #20 posted 03/09/16 11:00am

KCOOLMUZIQ

nextedition said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

rolleyes

I never claimed to know what's going on. It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to know both Katherine & Poppa Joe have had health issues lately DUDE...

[Edited 3/9/16 9:51am]

of course you do, you said "Katherine is not in the best of health herself. So I can understand Janet wanting to be close."

You don't know anything if Katherine's has health issues, if there are any. Just because she is old doesn't mean there are health issues.

Katherine has had health issues to the point where the Jackson family tried to take over conservatorship of MJ's kids from her. Which is why Taj Jackson Janet's brother Tito's son was eventually appointed co-legal guardian of his cousins Paris,Blanket & PRINCE. Who currently resides in Katherine's residence .

Don't hate because I have compassion for Janet's well being.

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #21 posted 03/09/16 11:24am

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Katherine has had health issues to the point where the Jackson family tried to take over conservatorship of MJ's kids from her.

was this when they kidnapped her and tried to argue that Michael's will was fake? hmmm lol falloff

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Reply #22 posted 03/09/16 11:28am

KCOOLMUZIQ

rolleyes

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #23 posted 03/09/16 11:40am

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Musicslave said:

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I just choose to respect her and the family privacy IF that is even the case. It would make sense to cancel everything to be by her dad's side if that was the case but again... I don't like speculating.

Katherine is not in the best of health herself. So I can understand Janet wanting to be close.

I support her. I'm not going to throw her under the bus, for her understandable decision to cancel her European tour. Family comes first.

You're assuming. You are simply just assuming. She's spent the last week in Europe. She was at fashion week the day after the report about her father's health. She did't need to be with her parents then. She doesn't need to be with her parents on march 26 apparantly and probably 2 or 3 days to rehearse before that neither. You're so naiive, if you really believe that her parents health is the reason. If they would have been in bad health, she should/would have been with the the last couple of weeks.

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Cinny said:

I thought it conflicted with that Dubai Cup preparation.

Anyone??

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Reply #25 posted 03/09/16 11:53am

Scorp

namepeace said:



Scorp said:


She cares about her legacy But when you've been crashed on for years when its unwarranted At that moment, the human toll begins to outweigh the entertainment value


I agree.




Plus, she's seen the price paid for legacy, up close and personal.

She's one of the most successful and influential artists of her generation, and that seems to be good enough for her.

There's nothing wrong with that. As a matter of fact, there's something very healthy about it.




Absolutely
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Reply #26 posted 03/09/16 12:08pm

mjscarousal

zebz said:

mjscarousal said:

Why does she not give a fuq about her legacy? eek She really has a indifferent attitude toward her legacy. It frustrating see an ICON like Janet succumb to the industry's treatment of her. So she just gonna allow them to erase her legacy/accomplishments?

The annivary of Control just passed and there was nothing same with RN. Why is she allowing her legacy to just wither away? She doesnt have to tour or make music but why not invest in the back catalog? Give back to fans by giving behind the scenes footages, demos, etc. Those are things SHE can do herself. She doesn't need the industry in order to do those things. In other words, she doesnt have to go on award shows, makeanymore albums or ever tour again but there are other things she can do to preserve her legacy and to expose her classics to current generation. From what I see, she doesnt seem to care either way. I would think after all she has done in her career, she would care somewhat about her legacy. This whole indifferent attitude Janet has toward her legacy has always been offputting. Prince is the same way. They do themselves a grave disservice with that mentality. You dont get generational fans/new fans with that attitude. I notice hardly any of Janets videos and music is on youtube either. What the hell is going on with her? Janet is better than this. I understand she is living her life, married, etc but she can still preserve her legacy.She STILL has fans and could potentially develop new ones if she exposed her classics to newer generations. Thoughts?

I don't know. This is something i've been wondering myself. It's so frustrating being a fan of hers. She's basically been reduced to a one hit wonder that happened to be related to MJ, and is doing nothing to fix it. When your most viewed music video doesn't even have your name on it, there's a big problem. At least with Prince he is the one activley making the decision to not engage in streaming, youtube etc. It's a career choice and I can accept that. Janet, on the other hand does have a vevo account, she DOES have her music on spotify. There has just been ZERO promotion. Another thing is that, it's possible some of her videos are blocked in countries outside of the US (not sure about this) and that keeps streaming down aswell. Also issues with her old label may be the reason why she has two seperate, verified pages which hurts cohesion massivley (case in point: madonna).

The 30th anniversery of control was SUCH a missed oppertunity. She could have, at the very least bought an itunes banner for the album to try and increase catalog sales. Instead it flew completely under the radar to the GP.

The whole unbreakable era was a complete mistake in my opinion. Despite being a good album. That's not enough. All it has sereved to do is ruin what little credibility she had left. If she had no interest in rededicating herself to the industry fully she shouldn't have even bothered. Maybe she feels like she's above promoting herself at this point? Look at Mariah's "Emancipation of Mimi" era for example. A big part of the reason that come back happened is because Mariah, despite being an icon, was NOT afraid to promote herself. She was on every talkshow. Or maybe she thought twitter followers would translate to sales and was discuraged to find that wasn't the case?

All I know is, all of Janet's naysayers are coming out on top. What a way to end your career. SMH.

Excellent post this pretty much sums of my opinions on the matter.

The start of the Unbreakable tour was actually really great. She had a number one hit album, sold out tour, number one song on adult charts without any promotion. IMO, she was proving her naysayers wrong and I thought she was moving her career in a good direction BUT canceling the entire Europe leg is a HUGE let down and not good. Its not fair to fans specifically. Also, she could give more shine to her classics, iconic music videos, performances, (in other words, significant things that has given her, her icon and legend status). Why not? She doesn't have to do an interview to show a small behind the scenes footage of the making of Control or Velvet Rope. I understand the Superbowl fiasco etc hurt her career BUT IMO she is also adding to that herself.

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Reply #27 posted 03/09/16 12:23pm

mjscarousal

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It is strange, isn't it? I wonder if the SuperBowl aftermath scarred her more than we could have known, coupled with the mj scandals. Doesn't justify whether she's humble or not but one has to wonder how Janet really feels. Nobody has asked her a proper question, cause it's almost like she lost everything as a result of one slip, though I know she's had successes after still and well deservedly too [Edited 3/9/16 0:22am]

Good points.

IMO, and I hope I dont get bashed for saying this. Janet doesn't seem like a "fighter" and no I am not trying to minimize the role of the Superbowl and blacklisting BUT she does imo plays victim to much instead of being proactive in finding solutions to her career problems. For example, after the Superbowl she was blacklisted on the radio, Viacom, etc for a period in America during the Damita Jo promotion. Why not tour the UK or Europe then? Why not promote Damita Jo in Europe since America is blacklisting? But what did Janet do? Instead, she did nothing. She stopped promoting Damita Jo all together and didn't tour. She gives up too easily and doesn't have strong resilence and that is very disappointing. IMO, I don't think its fair to continue to blame the industry anymore because there is a lot Janet can do to help in upkeeping her own legacy. Janet doesn't care and its hurting her legacy, I hate to see this I really do, its sad. I guess I can kinda relate because I had a personal experience that completely turned me off of something I once loved. I feel bad for her hardcore fans.

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Reply #28 posted 03/09/16 12:26pm

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I checked out some of Janet's videos on YouTube and was really shocked to see the low number of views even on her classic songs. Anyone know why that is? Someone from her camp should really start promoting her classics.

This is the point I am saying. This generation doesn't really know Janet besides being Michaels younger sister. Janet could do more to advocate for herself and to promote her classics. Let the new generation know why she is a legend/icon. If she doesn't do that, it will forever hurt her legacy.

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Reply #29 posted 03/09/16 12:28pm

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

nextedition said:

of course you do, you said "Katherine is not in the best of health herself. So I can understand Janet wanting to be close."

You don't know anything if Katherine's has health issues, if there are any. Just because she is old doesn't mean there are health issues.

Katherine has had health issues to the point where the Jackson family tried to take over conservatorship of MJ's kids from her. Which is why Taj Jackson Janet's brother Tito's son was eventually appointed co-legal guardian of his cousins Paris,Blanket & PRINCE. Who currently resides in Katherine's residence .

Don't hate because I have compassion for Janet's well being.

Again, you are telling things you assume.

You don't know it by fact.

If the conservatorship really happened it was a few years ago.

You just don't know if this cancellation has anything to do with family issues.

She just posted a few days ago on facebook she was excited about dubai.

The hate things is pretty lame by the way, just because i respond to your post doesn't mean i hate. Grow up.

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