lowkey said:

mjscarousal said:

Where did I say I hated her voice? I love Janet. I have all her albums, concerts, posters, costumes. the whole nine yard, etc and even got tickets to see her on her Unbreaklable Tour. I actually think she is a great singer. Me saying she doesn't sing live doesn't make me any less of a fan but thats the TRUTH. She doesn't sing live so imo Im confused with why she would need vocal surgery. I never said she was lying or it wasn't true.

she's not the only artist who uses pre-recorded vocals, she dont stand on stage and play the cd she does mix live vocals. and even if she never sing live what does that have to do with her needing surgery on her throat? so if your dr. found something on your throat and said it needed to be removed would you not get it done since you are not a singer? last i check a person used their throat for more than just singing.

I never said she was the only artist that mimes.

Also, its not just the miming. I don't believe her past health problems that conflicted with her past touring were all legimate IMO but that is my opinion and I don't want to get into an argument with you. I was not trying to bash her. I said I hope she recovers if whatever is going on is really serious.

^ Again, I did not imply that she was a "Milli Vanilli". She is a great singer IMO (she effortlessly embodies emotios when she sings) and she does a good job in making you feel her vocals are live with the concert experience and of course she is a fantastic performer..... but she certainly has mimed more than Michael which is why I don't even know why you brought him up. Also, I didn't imply that she was lying about the vocal surgery. I said that I was confused with why she would need it because outside of the adlibs, screaming, crowd engagement, etc she is mostly miming and not extensively using her voice to the point she would need vocal surgery IMO BUT then again I don't know what is going on with her personally or health wise so she very will might need it. Which is why I said "I will refrain from judgement and I wish her well" The only reason I have some reservations about it is because in the past she has lied about her health problems to compensate for other things so I am neutral about the news (and this is my underlining point). My point in bringing up the miming was not to bash her.

mjscarousal said:

alphastreet said:

Michael needed vocal cord surgery too and he was not singing much love that time or since then anymore either. Really didn't want to go there, but many artists have had it at some point or another. Janet is not exempt from it. And someone did say in an interview about unbreakable she was talking about her voice changing, maybe that was part of the problem she's having.

I don't like comparing MJ and Janet because it always leads to a stan war BUT since you brought him up

Michael had legitmate health problems during the HIStory tour which is why majority of the tour is mimed..............However, Triumph (Off The Wall) Victory (Thriller), BAD, Dangerous (60/70 percent) were not mimed. Michael was/is known to sing live prior to his health problems. During the late 90's, is when Michael started miming excessively so I am not even sure why you used him as an example. Janet on the other hand has mimed majority of her career. She has never been known to be a live singer even during her prime and peak. I am not saying this to bash her but it is what it is. Also, I never said she was the ONLY artist that mimes. My point in mentioning it was not to bash her. I just found it strange she would need vocal surgery when she doesnt sing live, thats all and I know she has lied in the past about having health problems. I really don't care if she is making it up or not but Im tired of people making excuses for her questionable behavior like she is perfect when shes not. Just like how you turned around and tried to shade Michael but this is not even about him. I love Janet too but she is not perfect to me, just like how I love MJ and I realize he was not perfect..... but for some reason when it comes to Janet particularly people make excuses for her shady behavior but constantly turn around and trash on Michael, I will never understand it.....

so mike can have legit health issues but janet is shady for having health issues? what are you talking about when you say questionable behavior? janet minds her own business, she goes away when she's not working so exactly when does she have time to do all this shady stuff you are talking about? every negative janet thread you are right there co-signing, but if something is mentioned about mj that you do like you have a fit.janet has fans that love her and will defend her the same as you mj fans, but of course every negative thing said about her is true right?

I have defended Janet through tooth and nail on this site, so don't even try it.... but she has done her share of questionable stuff....and I will always call her out on it because she is not perfect. The thing is though, its okay to talk about Michael's problems and his faults BUT as soon as someone calls out Janet people are quick to bring up Michael or make excuses, Im sick of it.

mjscarousal said:

^ Again, I did not imply that she was a "Milli Vanilli". She is a great singer IMO (she effortlessly embodies emotios when she sings) and she does a good job in making you feel her vocals are live with the concert experience and of course she is a fantastic performer..... but she certainly has mimed more than Michael which is why I don't even know why you brought him up. Also, I didn't imply that she was lying about the vocal surgery. I said that I was confused with why she would need it because outside of the adlibs, screaming, crowd engagement, etc she is mostly miming and not extensively using her voice to the point she would need vocal surgery IMO BUT then again I don't know what is going on with her personally or health wise so she very will might need it. Which is why I said "I will refrain from judgement and I wish her well" The only reason I have some reservations about it is because in the past she has lied about her health problems to compensate for other things so I am neutral about the news (and this is my underlining point). My point in bringing up the miming was not to bash her.

why is it ok for you to say she lied about her health? you are not her doctor, you listened to what was reported in the media and is acting like its a fact. also janet never said she had vocal surgery, she never said what her health issue is but once again you are repeating what you heard as fact. saying one artist lip syncs more than the other dont really mean much to me, the point is they did it. your point is always to bash her in a passive aggressive way.

mjscarousal said:

I have defended Janet through tooth and nail on this site, so don't even try it.... but she has done her share of questionable stuff....and I will always call her out on it because she is not perfect. The thing is though, its okay to talk about Michael's problems and his faults BUT as soon as someone calls out Janet people are quick to bring up Michael or make excuses, Im sick of it.

once again here you are showing your bitterness, thats really what its all about. again please tell me these questionable things janet has done, its not her fault that there are a shit load of questionable behavior related to mj and that people still bring them up, that has nothing to do with janet and the fact that you feel a need to post in every thread about her and find a way to make it about mj is pretty obvious of your bitterness.

lowkey said:

mjscarousal said:

^ Again, I did not imply that she was a "Milli Vanilli". She is a great singer IMO (she effortlessly embodies emotios when she sings) and she does a good job in making you feel her vocals are live with the concert experience and of course she is a fantastic performer..... but she certainly has mimed more than Michael which is why I don't even know why you brought him up. Also, I didn't imply that she was lying about the vocal surgery. I said that I was confused with why she would need it because outside of the adlibs, screaming, crowd engagement, etc she is mostly miming and not extensively using her voice to the point she would need vocal surgery IMO BUT then again I don't know what is going on with her personally or health wise so she very will might need it. Which is why I said "I will refrain from judgement and I wish her well" The only reason I have some reservations about it is because in the past she has lied about her health problems to compensate for other things so I am neutral about the news (and this is my underlining point). My point in bringing up the miming was not to bash her.

why is it ok for you to say she lied about her health? you are not her doctor, you listened to what was reported in the media and is acting like its a fact. also janet never said she had vocal surgery, she never said what her health issue is but once again you are repeating what you heard as fact. saying one artist lip syncs more than the other dont really mean much to me, the point is they did it. your point is always to bash her in a passive aggressive way.

You mean the same way you indirectly bash MJ and MJ fans every time they constructively critcize Janet or the Jacksons for their shady behavior? I don't think any of them are perfect like you do of Janet. She is not perfect either nor she is exempt from criticism.

I am not listening to the media. My opinion is supported by sources and I am not trying to argue with you. I am a Janet fan but she has done some questionable things throughout her career that I will always express constructive critism on, period. For some reason, people make it seem as though Janet is exempt for criticism or above criticism when it comes to certain aspects about her career and she most certainly is not. People can sit up here all day long and trash Michael, analyze Michael and call him everything but a child of a God but as soon as someone constructively criticizes Janet for her questionable behavior they turn around and bash MJ or make some type of excuse, why is that? I never said I knew what her health issue was which is why I said I would refrain from making judgement this go round and I am hoping she recovers if it is in fact serious.

lowkey said:

mjscarousal said:

I have defended Janet through tooth and nail on this site, so don't even try it.... but she has done her share of questionable stuff....and I will always call her out on it because she is not perfect. The thing is though, its okay to talk about Michael's problems and his faults BUT as soon as someone calls out Janet people are quick to bring up Michael or make excuses, Im sick of it.

once again here you are showing your bitterness, thats really what its all about. again please tell me these questionable things janet has done, its not her fault that there are a shit load of questionable behavior related to mj and that people still bring them up, that has nothing to do with janet and the fact that you feel a need to post in every thread about her and find a way to make it about mj is pretty obvious of your bitterness.

How am I showing my bitterness? I don't like the double standard and in this post YOU show exactly this double standard that I am speaking of when it comes to Janet and other Jacksons. I wasn't the one that even brought Michael up in this thread. I have defended Janet many times on this site and I am a fan of her talent/artist etc but when she does something wrong or questionable IMO, I will express it, period.

mjscarousal said:

lowkey said:

why is it ok for you to say she lied about her health? you are not her doctor, you listened to what was reported in the media and is acting like its a fact. also janet never said she had vocal surgery, she never said what her health issue is but once again you are repeating what you heard as fact. saying one artist lip syncs more than the other dont really mean much to me, the point is they did it. your point is always to bash her in a passive aggressive way.

You mean the same way you indirectly bash MJ and MJ fans every time they constructively critcize Janet or the Jacksons for their shady behavior? I don't think any of them are perfect like you do of Janet. She is not perfect either nor she is exempt from criticism.

I am not listening to the media. My opinion is supported by sources and I am not trying to argue with you. I am a Janet fan but she has done some questionable things throughout her career that I will always express constructive critism on, period. For some reason, people make it seem as though Janet is exempt for criticism or above criticism when it comes to certain aspects about her career and she most certainly is not. People can sit up here all day long and trash Michael, analyze Michael and call him everything but a child of a God but as soon as someone constructively criticizes Janet for her questionable behavior they turn around and bash MJ or make some type of excuse, why is that? I never said I knew what her health issue was which is why I said I would refrain from making judgement this go round and I am hoping she recovers if it is in fact serious.

im never passive aggressive i straight out say what i mean. once again im asking you to tell us these questionable things janet has done, like seriously. what kind of constructive critism can you have regarding someone's health? saying someone is lying about their health issues is beyond foul.i dont trash mj, why would i do that? you or anybody else is in a position to judge another person based on their health, saying that sounds ridiculous. i dont think anybody in their right mind would actually take the op's opinion in this thread serious but here you go sitting here as if this can somehow be true. this will be my last response to you until you post janet's questionable behavior throughout her career.

lowkey said:

mjscarousal said:

You mean the same way you indirectly bash MJ and MJ fans every time they constructively critcize Janet or the Jacksons for their shady behavior? I don't think any of them are perfect like you do of Janet. She is not perfect either nor she is exempt from criticism.

I am not listening to the media. My opinion is supported by sources and I am not trying to argue with you. I am a Janet fan but she has done some questionable things throughout her career that I will always express constructive critism on, period. For some reason, people make it seem as though Janet is exempt for criticism or above criticism when it comes to certain aspects about her career and she most certainly is not. People can sit up here all day long and trash Michael, analyze Michael and call him everything but a child of a God but as soon as someone constructively criticizes Janet for her questionable behavior they turn around and bash MJ or make some type of excuse, why is that? I never said I knew what her health issue was which is why I said I would refrain from making judgement this go round and I am hoping she recovers if it is in fact serious.

im never passive aggressive i straight out say what i mean. once again im asking you to tell us these questionable things janet has done, like seriously. what kind of constructive critism can you have regarding someone's health? saying someone is lying about their health issues is beyond foul.i dont trash mj, why would i do that? you or anybody else is in a position to judge another person based on their health, saying that sounds ridiculous. i dont think anybody in their right mind would actually take the op's opinion in this thread serious but here you go sitting here as if this can somehow be true. this will be my last response to you until you post janet's questionable behavior throughout her career.

lol You actually are very passive aggressive toward MJ and his fans. You can insist you don't but you can be very shady. If I have criticism I want to express on Janet, I am very direct with it just like when I see someone is downplaying her talents or contributions, I am also quick to defend her. I have directly said that imo some of her past health related tour issues were not legitimate and my opinion is supported by sources not media. So I don't see how you think Im being "passive" about it. It has already been discussed here countless of times so I will not go into detail on it again.. I literally did not accuse her of lying about her current health problem and I wont dwell on the other issues anymore because thats off topic.

The rescheduled dates are here, all but Lexington got rescheduled:

MAY 23, 2016 Tucson, AZ
JULY 1, 2016 Denver, CO
JULY 3, 2016 Portland, OR
JULY 5, 2016 Seattle, WA
JULY 7, 2016 Sacramento, CA
JULY 8, 2016 Anaheim, CA
JULY 11, 2016 San Antonio, TX
JULY 13, 2016 Houston, TX
JULY 15, 2016 Dallas, TX
JULY 16, 2016 Tulsa, OK
JULY 18, 2016 Kansas City, MO
JULY 20, 2016 St. Louis, MO
JULY 22, 2016 Indianapolis, IN
JULY 23, 2016 Auburn Hills, MI
JULY 25, 2016 Columbus, OH
JULY 26, 2016 Pittsburgh, PA
AUGUST 4, 2016 Ft. Lauderdale, FL
AUGUST 5, 2016 Jacksonville, FL
AUGUST 7, 2016 Atlanta, GA
AUGUST 9, 2016 Washington, DC
AUGUST 10, 2016 Winston-Salem, NC
AUGUST 12, 2016 Columbia, SC
AUGUST 14, 2016 Baltimore, MD
AUGUST 15, 2016 Brooklyn, NY
AUGUST 17, 2016 Newark, NJ
AUGUST 18, 2016 Boston, MA
AUGUST 20, 2016 Bethlehem, PA
AUGUST 21, 2016 Hartford, CT
AUGUST 24, 2016 Philadelphia, PA
AUGUST 28, 2016 Cleveland, OH

mjscarousal said:

Janet threads are always "interesting"...lol

PatrickS77 said:

PatrickS77 said:

The rescheduled dates are here, all but Lexington got rescheduled:

MAY 23, 2016 Tucson, AZ
JULY 1, 2016 Denver, CO
JULY 3, 2016 Portland, OR
JULY 5, 2016 Seattle, WA
JULY 7, 2016 Sacramento, CA
JULY 8, 2016 Anaheim, CA
JULY 11, 2016 San Antonio, TX
JULY 13, 2016 Houston, TX
JULY 15, 2016 Dallas, TX
JULY 16, 2016 Tulsa, OK
JULY 18, 2016 Kansas City, MO
JULY 20, 2016 St. Louis, MO
JULY 22, 2016 Indianapolis, IN
JULY 23, 2016 Auburn Hills, MI
JULY 25, 2016 Columbus, OH
JULY 26, 2016 Pittsburgh, PA
AUGUST 4, 2016 Ft. Lauderdale, FL
AUGUST 5, 2016 Jacksonville, FL
AUGUST 7, 2016 Atlanta, GA
AUGUST 9, 2016 Washington, DC
AUGUST 10, 2016 Winston-Salem, NC
AUGUST 12, 2016 Columbia, SC
AUGUST 14, 2016 Baltimore, MD
AUGUST 15, 2016 Brooklyn, NY
AUGUST 17, 2016 Newark, NJ
AUGUST 18, 2016 Boston, MA
AUGUST 20, 2016 Bethlehem, PA
AUGUST 21, 2016 Hartford, CT
AUGUST 24, 2016 Philadelphia, PA
AUGUST 28, 2016 Cleveland, OH

www.janetjackson.com

Thanks for posting. As previously reported the tour resumes in the summer, but like I said before we'll see.

PatrickS77 said:

TurnItUp said:

Whatever I think it did. Why wasn't the tour postponed before Dec 17th. The day they announced the inductions. By the way glad you got snipped.

[Edited 1/12/16 17:37pm]

I swear people are so stupid these days, pulling shit out of their asses just to say something, regardless of whether it's factually wrong or not. The second US leg of the tour was postponed on the 24th. And it wss postponed then, because she got told then, that she needs surgery. Why would one fake made up award make her loose money and postpone part of her tour?

I agree. You are really stupid

PatrickS77 said:

^^Janet herself has already posted that the tour will resume in march with the european dates. And your little "theory" really makes no sense at all.

Makes perfect sense. Now thanks to the post further down. She was supposed to be in my area the end of this month. Now it's in July. That is the summer in case you didn't know and like I said we'll see.

Tu

Thanks for posting. As previously reported the tour resumes in the summer, but like I said before we'll see.

No. The tour doesn't resume in summer, the tour resumes on the 30th of march.

alphastreet said:

So are these all the second leg dates and third has been bumped up? I don't see my date anymore

the 2nd leg north america dates were the only shows postponed, the dates for europe were already scheduled starting march 30. the months of april and may were already booked thats why the postpones shows are all rescheduled during the summer months.