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Reply #360 posted 10/11/15 9:04am

CynicKill

Prince and Michael are the two strands of her DNA she will never be able to shake.

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Reply #361 posted 10/11/15 9:17am

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mjscarousal said:

datdude said:

I concur, and this is the conclusion I've come to. Janet stopped downplaying or being fearful of the comparisons to her brother. Her legacy and success as her own person are firmly established now and shel felt free to fully embrace his influence. They were SUPER close and already SOUND a like naturally in many ways, but I don't recall hearing the "vocal tics" as much with her. That's why it feels cathartic, she's not shying from the fact that she IS her brother's sister!

They were not super close (as Janet confirmed herself) but I do agree that this album is her most mj inspired to date. I have also seen and heard very moving tributes since MJ passing but it is nice to see Janet finally embrace MJ's influence in her music.

she always did show her brother's influence in her music, especially with Control and Rhythm Nation, and then her brother show her influence in his musical presentation too in the 90s

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Reply #362 posted 10/11/15 9:22am

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Scorp said:

mjscarousal said:

They were not super close (as Janet confirmed herself) but I do agree that this album is her most mj inspired to date. I have also seen and heard very moving tributes since MJ passing but it is nice to see Janet finally embrace MJ's influence in her music.

she always did show her brother's influence in her music, especially with Control and Rhythm Nation, and then her brother show her influence in his musical presentation too in the 90s

I disagree. Musically, Janet was not as direct with her mj influence like she is on Unbreakable. Now of course with the dancing and threatrics there was obvious an MJ inspiration there but I have never heard it musically until Unbreakable and I disagree with MJ inspiring Janet musically but I don't care to go back in forth because I already know you hate MJ and prefer Janet so don't even bother.

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Reply #363 posted 10/11/15 9:44am

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I know everyone says prince inspiration is on control, but I've always heard a thriller inspiration on it somewhere in the mix of a fusion of inspirations. She will always whether consciously or unconsciously sound like him cause they had w special connection, even if not in a conventional way like most siblings
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Reply #364 posted 10/11/15 1:02pm

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Scorp said:

mjscarousal said:

They were not super close (as Janet confirmed herself) but I do agree that this album is her most mj inspired to date. I have also seen and heard very moving tributes since MJ passing but it is nice to see Janet finally embrace MJ's influence in her music.

she always did show her brother's influence in her music, especially with Control and Rhythm Nation, and then her brother show her influence in his musical presentation too in the 90s

He really did, particularly when he started to work with Teddy Riley.

"Get up off that grey line"
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Reply #365 posted 10/11/15 1:35pm

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SEANMAN said:



Scorp said:




mjscarousal said:



They were not super close (as Janet confirmed herself) but I do agree that this album is her most mj inspired to date. I have also seen and heard very moving tributes since MJ passing but it is nice to see Janet finally embrace MJ's influence in her music.





she always did show her brother's influence in her music, especially with Control and Rhythm Nation, and then her brother show her influence in his musical presentation too in the 90s



He really did, particularly when he started to work with Teddy Riley.



Parts of bad era mirrored control too, and rn mirrored parts of bad, they were always a great complement to each other. I highly doubt it was planned that way though, it just happened and both were forced to be reckoned with
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Reply #366 posted 10/11/15 1:51pm

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BlackCat1985 said:

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What those it matter, you think she would have sold more, had she released in a different week?

Yes!!!!

BS. As if someone who would want to buy Tamar wouldn't, because Janet has released an album.

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Reply #367 posted 10/11/15 2:13pm

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PatrickS77 said:



BlackCat1985 said:


PatrickS77 said:



What those it matter, you think she would have sold more, had she released in a different week?



Yes!!!!


BS. As if someone who would want to buy Tamar wouldn't, because Janet has released an album.


Sounds crazy.... I know. But I know a lot of Janet fans who wouldn't buy Tamar's album because she was releasing it the same week as Janet.
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Reply #368 posted 10/11/15 2:48pm

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The ONLY time I ever hear this MJ was influenced by Janet musically arguments are when Janet fans make them lol . I have never heard MJ fans and other people say this. I do think they probably influenced each othe rbut at times I feel people automatically want to say they both influenced each other simply because they were siblings. MJ wanted to work with Teddy Riley because he was one of the hottest producers of the time and New Jack Swing was an in genre at the moment that doesn't necessarily mean that his reason for working with Riley is because he was influenced by Janet specifically. In addition, he wanted to get from under Quincy Jones. Maybe these similiarties are a reflection of the music and trends of the time and not necessarily because MJ was influenced by Janet musically. When we know about all we know about for example the creation of Dangerous and documentaries, etc I don't see how people can think Janet inspired that when MJ had a specific direction he wanted to take the album and came up with much of the production himself but I digress. I think Janet was definitly influenced by Michael and Michael was probably influenced by Janet (in some ways) but not to the extent Janet fans make it seem and not musically. Maybe Jimmy Jam and Terry inspired but I don't see how Janet specifically could do that but then again I don't know but thats my 2 cents.

[Edited 10/11/15 14:56pm]

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Reply #369 posted 10/11/15 3:01pm

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alphastreet said:

SEANMAN said:

He really did, particularly when he started to work with Teddy Riley.

Parts of bad era mirrored control too, and rn mirrored parts of bad, they were always a great complement to each other. I highly doubt it was planned that way though, it just happened and both were forced to be reckoned with [Edited 10/11/15 13:36pm]

You find a mj and janet influence in everything lol

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Reply #370 posted 10/11/15 3:13pm

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Anyone else feel that Michael's spirit can be felt quite strongly all across this beautiful album? I've actually found the whole experience quite a cathartic one, as I am a massive MJ fan and felt like my left arm was hacked off when we lost him.

I've seen and heard hundreds of tributes since his passing and they've always left me feeling empty. Even listening to the posthumous MJ albums leave me cold. Even though there is only one song on the whole album that is confirmed to be about MJ, his presence is felt so strongly that I find this album the most sincere and soothing tribute to her brothers legacy.

yes i agree, his presence is all over this album, im glad janet embraced his obvious influence.i hear his phrasings and vocal inflictions throughout the album.

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Reply #371 posted 10/11/15 3:16pm

lowkey

mjscarousal said:

datdude said:

I concur, and this is the conclusion I've come to. Janet stopped downplaying or being fearful of the comparisons to her brother. Her legacy and success as her own person are firmly established now and shel felt free to fully embrace his influence. They were SUPER close and already SOUND a like naturally in many ways, but I don't recall hearing the "vocal tics" as much with her. That's why it feels cathartic, she's not shying from the fact that she IS her brother's sister!

They were not super close (as Janet confirmed herself) but I do agree that this album is her most mj inspired to date. I have also seen and heard very moving tributes since MJ passing but it is nice to see Janet finally embrace MJ's influence in her music.

they were super super close growing up, which is when he would have the biggest influence on her. janet use to be in the studio with him, he taught her and randy about writing songs and melody.she didnt need to be around him all the time as adults, it was already there.

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Reply #372 posted 10/11/15 3:22pm

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The ONLY time I ever hear this MJ was influenced by Janet musically arguments are when Janet fans make them lol . I have never heard MJ fans and other people say this. I do think they probably influenced each othe rbut at times I feel people automatically want to say they both influenced each other simply because they were siblings. MJ wanted to work with Teddy Riley because he was one of the hottest producers of the time and New Jack Swing was an in genre at the moment that doesn't necessarily mean that his reason for working with Riley is because he was influenced by Janet specifically. In addition, he wanted to get from under Quincy Jones. Maybe these similiarties are a reflection of the music and trends of the time and not necessarily because MJ was influenced by Janet musically. When we know about all we know about for example the creation of Dangerous and documentaries, etc I don't see how people can think Janet inspired that when MJ had a specific direction he wanted to take the album and came up with much of the production himself but I digress. I think Janet was definitly influenced by Michael and Michael was probably influenced by Janet (in some ways) but not to the extent Janet fans make it seem and not musically. Maybe Jimmy Jam and Terry inspired but I don't see how Janet specifically could do that but then again I don't know but thats my 2 cents.

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maybe you should watch interviews with mike's own producers. he would give them rhythm nation to listen to. um mike himself always praised rhythm nation. also jimmy and terry didnt make the same albums with other artists that they made with janet, she is a direct influence on her own music. why do mj fans act like its impossible for him to be inspired by somebody eles music, including his own sister, he was human, he loved music.

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Reply #373 posted 10/11/15 4:09pm

mjscarousal

lowkey said:

mjscarousal said:

They were not super close (as Janet confirmed herself) but I do agree that this album is her most mj inspired to date. I have also seen and heard very moving tributes since MJ passing but it is nice to see Janet finally embrace MJ's influence in her music.

they were super super close growing up, which is when he would have the biggest influence on her. janet use to be in the studio with him, he taught her and randy about writing songs and melody.she didnt need to be around him all the time as adults, it was already there.

Janet said herself that she was not close with Michael as adults and Michael has said the same thing over the years. I am obviously not referring too when they were little and lived under the same house.

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Reply #374 posted 10/11/15 4:13pm

mjscarousal

lowkey said:

mjscarousal said:

The ONLY time I ever hear this MJ was influenced by Janet musically arguments are when Janet fans make them lol . I have never heard MJ fans and other people say this. I do think they probably influenced each othe rbut at times I feel people automatically want to say they both influenced each other simply because they were siblings. MJ wanted to work with Teddy Riley because he was one of the hottest producers of the time and New Jack Swing was an in genre at the moment that doesn't necessarily mean that his reason for working with Riley is because he was influenced by Janet specifically. In addition, he wanted to get from under Quincy Jones. Maybe these similiarties are a reflection of the music and trends of the time and not necessarily because MJ was influenced by Janet musically. When we know about all we know about for example the creation of Dangerous and documentaries, etc I don't see how people can think Janet inspired that when MJ had a specific direction he wanted to take the album and came up with much of the production himself but I digress. I think Janet was definitly influenced by Michael and Michael was probably influenced by Janet (in some ways) but not to the extent Janet fans make it seem and not musically. Maybe Jimmy Jam and Terry inspired but I don't see how Janet specifically could do that but then again I don't know but thats my 2 cents.

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maybe you should watch interviews with mike's own producers. he would give them rhythm nation to listen to. um mike himself always praised rhythm nation. also jimmy and terry didnt make the same albums with other artists that they made with janet, she is a direct influence on her own music. why do mj fans act like its impossible for him to be inspired by somebody eles music, including his own sister, he was human, he loved music.

Where did I imply it was impossible that MJ could possibly be influence by Janet? I even insisted that they probably both influenced each other at certain points. However, I do think fans often exaggerate the extent to which they influenced each other simply because they were siblings. Just because they were siblings doesn't necessarily mean that all their albums is a direct influence from the other sibling which was the only point I was making. How does him liking RN has to do with having an influence on his music? He liked dancing to The Knowledge and he said "I like dancing to my sister's music"but he never said it influenced his music and if so can you give a receipt? This is what I am talking about. You guys exaggerate these compliments and make them into what you want them to be. It's very possible Janet influenced Michael but please don't imply MJ said RN influenced him musically when he did not.

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Reply #375 posted 10/11/15 4:40pm

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Janet Jackson Earns Historic Seventh No. 1 Album on Billboard 200 Chart

By Keith Caulfield | October 11, 2015 3:30 PM EDT

Janet Jackson 2015

Janet Jackson kicks off the Unbreakable Tour in Vancouver, Canada on Aug. 31, 2015.

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Jackson is only the third act to achieve No. 1 albums in each of the last four decades.

Janet Jackson debuts at No. 1 on the Billboard 200 albums chart with her new album, Unbreakable. It marks her seventh chart-topper and makes her just the third act to achieve No. 1 albums in each of the last four decades.

The Billboard 200 chart ranks the most popular albums of the week based onmulti-metric consumption, which includes traditional album sales, track equivalent albums (TEA) and streaming equivalent albums (SEA). The new Oct. 24-dated chart (where Jackson is No. 1) will be posted in full to Billboard’s Web sites on Tuesday, Oct. 13.

Unbreakable -- which was released on Oct. 2 -- arrives atop the chart with 116,000 equivalent album units earned in the week ending Oct. 8, according to Nielsen Music. Of that sum, the set sold 109,000 in pure album sales.

Unbreakable is Jackson’s first studio album since 2008’s Discipline, which also debuted at No. 1. Jackson previously led the list with All For You (2001), The Velvet Rope (1997), janet. (1993), Janet Jackson’s Rhythm Nation 1814 (1989) and Control (1986).

Among women with the most No. 1 albums, Jackson has the third-most leaders. Only Barbra Streisand (with 10) and Madonna (eight) have more.

Streisand and Jackson are also in rare company: along with Bruce Springsteen, the three performers are the only acts with No. 1 albums in the last four decades: '10s, '00s, ‘90s and '80s.

Streisand most recently topped the tally in 2014 with Partners, and also collected leaders in the '00s, '90s, '80s, '70s and '60s. Springsteen, like Jackson, has claimed No. 1s in the '10s, '00s, '90s and '80s. Springsteen has a total of 11 No. 1s. (Notably, Streisand is the only act with No. 1s in the last five and six decades.)

Unbreakable is also Jackson’s first independently distributed album, and it was released on her own Rhythm Nation label through BMG. The set also starts at No. 1 on the Independent Albums chart.

Jackson’s new album was led by the single “No Sleeep,” featuring J. Cole. The track became her 40th hit on the Billboard Hot 100 chart (peaking at No. 63), and has spent seven weeks at No. 1 on the Adult R&B Songs chart.

Somewhat unusually, Unbreakable hit No. 1 without the benefit of a single press interview by Jackson to promote the album. Although Jackson been quiet with the media, she’s been on the road with her Unbreakable World Tour since Aug. 31, released a music video for “No Sleeep,” and made an appearance on the BET Awards to accept the Ultimate Icon Award (June 28).

Unbreakable leads a relatively quiet top 10 on the Billboard 200, where only three new albums bow in the region. The calm comes after two straight weeks where the top 10 saw seven debuts.

The Weeknd’s Beauty Behind the Madness climbs 5-2 with 73,000 units (down 11 percent), Drake and Future’s What a Time to Be Alive dips 2-3 with 65,000 (down 39 percent) and last week’s leader, Fetty Wap’s self-titled album, falls to No. 4 in its second frame with 64,000 (down 50 percent).

Tamar Braxton starts at No. 5 with her latest album, Calling All Lovers, bowing with 43,000 units (38,000 in pure album sales). Her last studio effort, 2013’s Love and War, debuted and peaked at No. 2 with 114,000 copies sold in its first week.

The entire top five on the Billboard 200 are R&B/hip-hop albums -- the first time the region has been dominated as such since the Jan. 13, 2007-dated chart. That week, Omarion’s 21 led the list, followed by Akon’s Konvicted, the Dreamgirlsfilm soundtrack, NasHip Hop Is Dead and Young Jeezy’s The Inspiration.

Taylor Swift’s 1989 is nearing a full year in the top 10, as it spends a 50th week in the region (rising 7-6 with 38,000 units; down 8 percent). The album has yet to depart the top 10 since its debut at No. 1.

Thomas Rhett’s Tangled Up slips 6-7 in its second week (just over 32,000 units; down 58 percent), George Strait’s Cold Beer Conversation is down 4-8 (32,000; down 63 percent), Luke Bryan’s Kill the Lights rises 13-9 (30,000; up 4 percent) and Don Henley’s Cass County falls 3-10 (29,000; down 67 percent).

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

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Reply #376 posted 10/11/15 5:42pm

alphastreet

lowkey said:



mjscarousal said:




datdude said:




I concur, and this is the conclusion I've come to. Janet stopped downplaying or being fearful of the comparisons to her brother. Her legacy and success as her own person are firmly established now and shel felt free to fully embrace his influence. They were SUPER close and already SOUND a like naturally in many ways, but I don't recall hearing the "vocal tics" as much with her. That's why it feels cathartic, she's not shying from the fact that she IS her brother's sister!



They were not super close (as Janet confirmed herself) but I do agree that this album is her most mj inspired to date. I have also seen and heard very moving tributes since MJ passing but it is nice to see Janet finally embrace MJ's influence in her music.



they were super super close growing up, which is when he would have the biggest influence on her. janet use to be in the studio with him, he taught her and randy about writing songs and melody.she didnt need to be around him all the time as adults, it was already there.



Exactly
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Reply #377 posted 10/11/15 5:43pm

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mjscarousal said:



alphastreet said:


SEANMAN said:


He really did, particularly when he started to work with Teddy Riley.



Parts of bad era mirrored control too, and rn mirrored parts of bad, they were always a great complement to each other. I highly doubt it was planned that way though, it just happened and both were forced to be reckoned with [Edited 10/11/15 13:36pm]


You find a mj and janet influence in everything lol



Guilty lol
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Reply #378 posted 10/11/15 6:54pm

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mjscarousal said:

lowkey said:

they were super super close growing up, which is when he would have the biggest influence on her. janet use to be in the studio with him, he taught her and randy about writing songs and melody.she didnt need to be around him all the time as adults, it was already there.

Janet said herself that she was not close with Michael as adults and Michael has said the same thing over the years. I am obviously not referring too when they were little and lived under the same house.

her music influences were already established before she became an adult, she list them as her brothers, stevie wonder, sly stone, marvin gaye, prince and artists from other genres like jonie mitchell, she listened to these artists as a kid. she was in the studio with mike while he worked on songs from off the wall and thriller, i mean its like a no brainer he was a big influence and he lived in the same house.

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Reply #379 posted 10/11/15 7:52pm

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lowkey said:

mjscarousal said:

Janet said herself that she was not close with Michael as adults and Michael has said the same thing over the years. I am obviously not referring too when they were little and lived under the same house.

her music influences were already established before she became an adult, she list them as her brothers, stevie wonder, sly stone, marvin gaye, prince and artists from other genres like jonie mitchell, she listened to these artists as a kid. she was in the studio with mike while he worked on songs from off the wall and thriller, i mean its like a no brainer he was a big influence and he lived in the same house.

If its a no brainer why did you say that when that was not even what I was referring too? I was referring to her relationship with him as an adult not when they were little which is why I made that comment.

[Edited 10/11/15 19:53pm]

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Reply #380 posted 10/11/15 7:57pm

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Oh, geez. Janet hit #1 officially on Billboard and ya'll are talking this mess. confused

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Reply #381 posted 10/11/15 8:24pm

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Oh, geez. Janet hit #1 officially on Billboard and ya'll are talking this mess. confused

you never read the threads anyway, where I posted about this on page 12 about her hitting #1 ... kayne shrug

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Reply #382 posted 10/11/15 8:32pm

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Wow, not that my opinion really matters, but I'm definitely impressed. Janet's voice sounds really good. The way she's singing, and some of the other stuff? She's definitely channelling Michael, AND The Jackson 5. So far I've listened to about 4 songs, and out of those 4. Well Traveled and Black Eagle, are my favorites. No Sleep is the shit, as well. Not really feeling the J Cole rap, though.


Well Traveled, though...Wow. clapping

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Reply #383 posted 10/11/15 8:48pm

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JoeyC said:

Wow, not that my opinion really matters, but I'm definitely impressed. Janet's voice sounds really good. The way she's singing, and some of the other stuff? She's definitely channelling Michael, AND The Jackson 5. So far I've listened to about 4 songs, and out of those 4. Well Traveled and Black Eagle, are my favorites. No Sleep is the shit, as well. Not really feeling the J Cole rap, though.


Well Traveled, though...Wow. clapping

Well Traveled is my new favorite.

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

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Reply #384 posted 10/11/15 9:23pm

CynicKill

I'm feeling "Lesson Learned" at the moment.

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Reply #385 posted 10/12/15 6:44am

KCOOLMUZIQ

I laugh when I read these Janet threads now.Hardly anyone was showing her love a few months ago. Now they comparing her to MJ....Smh

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7V3N years, 7V3N months, & 7V3N days after her last record JANET scored her 7V3NTH #1 album on Billboard 200....

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eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #386 posted 10/12/15 7:10am

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I laugh when I read these Janet threads now.Hardly anyone was showing her love a few months ago. Now they comparing her to MJ....Smh

What's your point?

I spose folks are glad to have her back to her best after nearly a decade of below-par albums.

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Reply #387 posted 10/12/15 9:58am

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eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #388 posted 10/12/15 11:04am

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mjscarousal said:

lowkey said:

her music influences were already established before she became an adult, she list them as her brothers, stevie wonder, sly stone, marvin gaye, prince and artists from other genres like jonie mitchell, she listened to these artists as a kid. she was in the studio with mike while he worked on songs from off the wall and thriller, i mean its like a no brainer he was a big influence and he lived in the same house.

If its a no brainer why did you say that when that was not even what I was referring too? I was referring to her relationship with him as an adult not when they were little which is why I made that comment.

[Edited 10/11/15 19:53pm]

the reason this convo started was because somebody commented about the obvious mj influence on this album and said they are not surprised since they were so close, then you had to correct them by pointing out they were not super close as ADULTS, which wasnt necessary because it had nothing to do with them as adults. his influence comes from when she was a child not when she was an adult.

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Reply #389 posted 10/12/15 11:08am

lowkey

Im obsessed with 'the great forever' ,its now one of her best songs ever. the sequence of 'broken hearts heal,night,no sleeep,dream maker/euphoria' puts me in a r&b/soul/disco trance.

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