Hudson said:

CynicKill said:

Yeah the reason TDCAU flopped stateside had EVERYTHING to do with the fracas the jewish slurs brought. I was disappointed at the time because he explained himself, then went on to edit the track anyway. It's most likely true the record company ran after the controversy.

And I think it's no secret that Michael became his own worst enemy as far as his downfall as concerned.

Right.

I mean think about it: the last thing 1990s Michael Jackson needed was a song that featured
ethnic slurs (no matter how he intended them) after withstanding the first of two child sexual
abuse allegations. Sony hamstrung MJ after he caught heat from the PC media (who loves to
tear celebrities down in addition to creating them) and the "fracas" was just another incident
in a long line of experiences that caused MJ to remain on track for mental health and substance
abuse issues that would claim his life. But I just can't square Ice Cube's/Dre's success after
singing about fuck the police with the claim that TDCAU caused MJ's downfall due to being black-
listed.

MJ was most certainly his own worst enemy.

No other act has attacked the Jewish community with a song the way that Michael Jackson did with They Don't Care About Us.

Look, despite my username, I'm as objective a fan as there is. Michael Jackson's downfall started with Bad in 1987 when he resurfaced with a new nose, new chin, tatooed eyeliner and lighter skin.

From 1984/85 to 1987 he went to being known affectionately as The Gloved One to Wacko Jacko.

And his odd behavior became much more pronounced with his 1987 facial transformation. He took Bubbles the chimp along on tour with him, not to mention making Neverland a haven for kids and thinking of himself as Peter Pan. His public image went from being among the most respected artists to a freak.

And despite what MJ said TDCAU was about, he was lying. HIStory was a personal album for him and when he sang Jew Me, Sue Me...Everybody Do Me he is addressing many of the sycophants that leeched off of him, and he was directing a lot of his anger at Evan Chandler who was the father of the 1993 accuser. Kick Me, Kike Me...Don't You Black or White Me is his way of expressing the frustration he's endured by the media regarding his racially ambiguous appearance since the ridicule they've put him through since 1987 and the media is controlled by Jews lock, stock and barrel.

The populace may be known for shitty taste in music, but when a song is banned from radio in America and still resonates with so many people after 20 years, it's not your ordinary protest song. He was commiting career suicide with that song, although he might have thought he was bigger than the Jewish moguls who run Hollywood. His friendship with the David Geffens and Steven Spielbergs ended when he made that song.

Who said anything about Jackson's lack of global success in the 90s? Outside of North America, he still enjoyed unprecedented success. The HIStory tour was one of the most successful of that decade. Earth Song became one of his biggest hits on the UK charts. Even a song as poor as Blood On The Dancefloor managed to reach No.1 in the UK.

It's in the US where he was having problems matching his previous success. But that was in large part to him taking away the face of Thriller, and America loved that face. From that point onward, he'd continue getting lighter and reducing his nose for each subsequent album and faced lower sales because of it.

He was still a pop superstar in America, but the days of MichaelMania were long gone because the perception was he didn't want to be visibly black. Even his claims of Vitiligo were untrue. Does that disorder make a person's face look more Caucasian like Mike's?

As for the allegations of molestation, they were bound to happen sooner or later given he set no boundaries with children who stayed in his bedroom at Neverland. His fascination with kids, young boys in particular, likely stems from his own personal desire to relive his days when he was the apple of America's eye in the late 60s and early 70s.

But because of his immense talent, even the allegations didn't totally destroy him as they would a singer of lesser talent and stature. He attempted damage control by somehow convincing Lisa Marie Presley to marry him in a sham marriage but it did bring him a lot of publicity.

Scream and You Are Not Alone were both successful in America, proving that MJ was still a viable act that music fans could still support. But when he released TDCAU and refused to remove the lyrics he promised the powerful Jewish community he'd do, the shit hit the proverbial fan for him and his career.

HIStory was a very introspective album. There's a narrative behind the album's narrative. Stranger in Moscow isn't a song he jotted down because he felt lonely one day or lonely after the allegations. The man has felt lonely his entire adult life and it became worse after he transformed his appearance so drastically in the late 80s.

I agree that MJ was crippled by many factors towards the mid 1990s and a lot of the blame should be on the Man in the Mirror himself. But even a crippled Michael Jackson is much more powerful and influential than the hip hop and grunge acts at that time. And that's why the establishment was so threatened by him calling them out.

If you want proof of the double standard for Jews in Hollywood, look at what Marlon Brando told Larry King back in 1996:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/jewish-leaders-rage-at-anti-semitic-brando-1303943.html

Do you think Brando, one of the greatest actors of our time, walked away from this interview unscathed? Because what he is saying, Michael Jackson was alluding to behind the guise of a black protest song.

And Brando was invited to those two MSG concerts celebrating MJ's career along with being part of the video for You Rock My World. Don't you think they likely discussed some of the things that Brando told Larry King?

MJ didn't even want to be black, just look at his first two kids for proof. So why would he feel so passionate about injustice towards blacks? Your entire analysis of TDCAU is inaccurate because you're looking at the lyrics from the wrong perspective.

And if Taylor Swift ever wrote a song like TDCAU, she'd be gone tomorrow, probably from an "accident" or "suicide".

[Edited 10/3/15 17:28pm]

MichaelJackson5 said:

No other act has attacked the Jewish community with a song the way that Michael Jackson did with They Don't Care About Us.

MJ didn't even want to be black, just look at his first two kids for proof. So why would he feel so passionate about injustice towards blacks? Your entire analysis of TDCAU is inaccurate because you're looking at the lyrics from the wrong perspective.

But, Michael Jackson didn't attack the Jewish community in TDCAU; he simply used ethnic slurs
that refer to Jewish people. So, the controversy was not because MJ was being Anti-Semitic;
it was because he used Anti-Semitic slurs metaphorically. So, your entire analysis of why TDCAU
was shelved by Sony is inaccurate because you're looking at the lyrics from the wrong perspective.

The rest of your post is risible and flat-out wrong as indicated in the video below:



Anyways, I have to bow out of this conversation with you: you're all over the place and there's
a streak of conspiracy theorist and jumps to conclusions in your argument that is too zany for
me to tolerate. I've ventured too far in your vortex for my own liking. See ya around!

http://www.hulu.com/watch...2#i1,p0,d1

MichaelJackson5 said:

No other act has attacked the Jewish community with a song the way that Michael Jackson did with They Don't Care About Us.

Look, despite my username, I'm as objective a fan as there is. Michael Jackson's downfall started with Bad in 1987 when he resurfaced with a new nose, new chin, tatooed eyeliner and lighter skin.

From 1984/85 to 1987 he went to being known affectionately as The Gloved One to Wacko Jacko.

And his odd behavior became much more pronounced with his 1987 facial transformation. He took Bubbles the chimp along on tour with him, not to mention making Neverland a haven for kids and thinking of himself as Peter Pan. His public image went from being among the most respected artists to a freak.

And despite what MJ said TDCAU was about, he was lying. HIStory was a personal album for him and when he sang Jew Me, Sue Me...Everybody Do Me he is addressing many of the sycophants that leeched off of him, and he was directing a lot of his anger at Evan Chandler who was the father of the 1993 accuser. Kick Me, Kike Me...Don't You Black or White Me is his way of expressing the frustration he's endured by the media regarding his racially ambiguous appearance since the ridicule they've put him through since 1987 and the media is controlled by Jews lock, stock and barrel.

The populace may be known for shitty taste in music, but when a song is banned from radio in America and still resonates with so many people after 20 years, it's not your ordinary protest song. He was commiting career suicide with that song, although he might have thought he was bigger than the Jewish moguls who run Hollywood. His friendship with the David Geffens and Steven Spielbergs ended when he made that song.

Who said anything about Jackson's lack of global success in the 90s? Outside of North America, he still enjoyed unprecedented success. The HIStory tour was one of the most successful of that decade. Earth Song became one of his biggest hits on the UK charts. Even a song as poor as Blood On The Dancefloor managed to reach No.1 in the UK.

It's in the US where he was having problems matching his previous success. But that was in large part to him taking away the face of Thriller, and America loved that face. From that point onward, he'd continue getting lighter and reducing his nose for each subsequent album and faced lower sales because of it.

He was still a pop superstar in America, but the days of MichaelMania were long gone because the perception was he didn't want to be visibly black. Even his claims of Vitiligo were untrue. Does that disorder make a person's face look more Caucasian like Mike's?

As for the allegations of molestation, they were bound to happen sooner or later given he set no boundaries with children who stayed in his bedroom at Neverland. His fascination with kids, young boys in particular, likely stems from his own personal desire to relive his days when he was the apple of America's eye in the late 60s and early 70s.

But because of his immense talent, even the allegations didn't totally destroy him as they would a singer of lesser talent and stature. He attempted damage control by somehow convincing Lisa Marie Presley to marry him in a sham marriage but it did bring him a lot of publicity.

Scream and You Are Not Alone were both successful in America, proving that MJ was still a viable act that music fans could still support. But when he released TDCAU and refused to remove the lyrics he promised the powerful Jewish community he'd do, the shit hit the proverbial fan for him and his career.

HIStory was a very introspective album. There's a narrative behind the album's narrative. Stranger in Moscow isn't a song he jotted down because he felt lonely one day or lonely after the allegations. The man has felt lonely his entire adult life and it became worse after he transformed his appearance so drastically in the late 80s.

I agree that MJ was crippled by many factors towards the mid 1990s and a lot of the blame should be on the Man in the Mirror himself. But even a crippled Michael Jackson is much more powerful and influential than the hip hop and grunge acts at that time. And that's why the establishment was so threatened by him calling them out.

If you want proof of the double standard for Jews in Hollywood, look at what Marlon Brando told Larry King back in 1996:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/jewish-leaders-rage-at-anti-semitic-brando-1303943.html

Los Angeles (AP) - The film star Marlon Brando has come under attack from Jewish leaders for saying in an interview that Jews "own" Hollywood.

"Mr Brando's comments about Hollywood being controlled by Jews is about as sloppy an anti-Semitism as saying that Jews control banks," said Rabbi Harvey J Fields, of the Jewish Federation of Los Angeles. He was responding to remarks made by Brando on Friday's edition of the CNN Programme Larry King Live. The Oscar-winning star of The Godfather said: "Hollywood is run by Jews. It is owned by Jews and they should have a greater sensitivity about the issue of people who are suffering."

He listed various negative stereotypes that he said have been depicted in the movies. "We've seen the ni66er, and the Greaseball. We've seen the Chink. We've seen the slit-eyed dangerous Jap. We have seen the wily Filipino. We've seen everything," Brando said. "But we never saw the kike because they knew perfectly well that that's where you draw the wagons around."

Do you think Brando, one of the greatest actors of our time, walked away from this interview unscathed? Because what he is saying, Michael Jackson was alluding to behind the guise of a black protest song.

And Brando was invited to those two MSG concerts celebrating MJ's career along with being part of the video for You Rock My World. Don't you think they likely discussed some of the things that Brando told Larry King?

MJ didn't even want to be black, just look at his first two kids for proof. So why would he feel so passionate about injustice towards blacks? Your entire analysis of TDCAU is inaccurate because you're looking at the lyrics from the wrong perspective.

And if Taylor Swift ever wrote a song like TDCAU, she'd be gone tomorrow, probably from an "accident" or "suicide".

[Edited 10/3/15 17:28pm]

You are very naive, Michael didn't want to be black according to you'? God you are fool

214 said:

MichaelJackson5 said:

214 said:

You are very naive, Michael didn't want to be black according to you'? God you are fool

His first two kids are white. And the third is a light skinned Hispanic. That hardly seems like the actions of a man that was proud to be black.

Cut the bullshit, you are not a MJ fan nor are you objective

mjscarousal said:

duccichucka said:

MichaelJackson5 said:

No other act has attacked the Jewish community with a song the way that Michael Jackson did with They Don't Care About Us.

MJ didn't even want to be black, just look at his first two kids for proof. So why would he feel so passionate about injustice towards blacks? Your entire analysis of TDCAU is inaccurate because you're looking at the lyrics from the wrong perspective.

But, Michael Jackson didn't attack the Jewish community in TDCAU; he simply used ethnic slurs
that refer to Jewish people. So, the controversy was not because MJ was being Anti-Semitic;
it was because he used Anti-Semitic slurs metaphorically. So, your entire analysis of why TDCAU
was shelved by Sony is inaccurate because you're looking at the lyrics from the wrong perspective.

The rest of your post is risible and flat-out wrong as indicated in the video below:



Anyways, I have to bow out of this conversation with you: you're all over the place and there's
a streak of conspiracy theorist and jumps to conclusions in your argument that is too zany for
me to tolerate. I've ventured too far in your vortex for my own liking. See ya around!

If you don't feel you can handle me, I can respect that. But if you think MJ was indifferent to the Jews who ran the music industry and his career (into the ground), you're dead wrong. He said this about them in 2003:

If that affects how you feel about the man, I'm sorry. Michael Jackson is a very complicated person and he can tell us how much he loves all races, including his own, but his actions reveal a different narrative.

The drugs he took were caused by all the surgical procedures he's had over the years. There wasn't one album in his solo career with Epic that he didn't have a new face and that'll take it's toll on anyone's body along with their state of mind.

michaeljackson5, are you hiding behind a screenname?

I'm not much for entertaining conspiracy theories but is that even Michael on the phone?

alphastreet said:

michaeljackson5, are you hiding behind a screenname?

Looks like it

http://themoderatevoice.com/4883/michael-jackson-ignites-furor-with-anti-semitic-remark/

What point are your trying to prove though? We get it you don't like MJ, what else are you trying to prove? There are anti- MJ forums that you can express your hatred there and all your heart desires.

mjscarousal said:

alphastreet said:

michaeljackson5, are you hiding behind a screenname?

Looks like it

A person can be an MJ fan without believing everything he's presented to the public over the last 16 years of his life.

If you want to believe that this man:

Could produce these kids:

Then knock yourself out.

As for his other fans, it's obvious to the naked eye there is no Jackson DNA in these two kids. Not even if their skin color was darker.

And before I hear about how some bi-racial children can look white, it's rare. The chances of two consecutive kids, born from a black man, looking white is statistically close to zero.

So, just based on the two children he "sired", it didn't look like he was proud of his black heritage.

And if I hated MJ, I wouldn't have spent so much time trying to convince that guy that They Don't Care About Us was a masterpiece which sounded like nothing else in his discography.

[Edited 10/5/15 11:18am]

I never agreed or disagreed with what you wrote, I just know you're not new here.

alphastreet said:

I never agreed or disagreed with what you wrote, I just know you're not new here.

I am new here. Whoever you think I am, you're wrong. I am a member of one of the two major MJ fan forums though.

MichaelJackson5 said:

alphastreet said:

I never agreed or disagreed with what you wrote, I just know you're not new here.

I am new here. Whoever you think I am, you're wrong. I am a member of one of the two major MJ fan forums though.

I did sense some deja vu, and you're entitled to your feelings and reflecting on the past 30 years, but I don't know if everyone is receptive to it, or at least agreeing to disagree. I don't know if you're a hater, and I don't like that word, but I definitely sense a lot of hurt in what you're what posting.

[Edited 10/5/15 11:24am]

alphastreet said:

MichaelJackson5 said:

I am new here. Whoever you think I am, you're wrong. I am a member of one of the two major MJ fan forums though.

I did sense some deja vu, and you're entitled to your feelings and reflecting on the past 30 years, but I don't know if everyone is receptive to it, or at least agreeing to disagree. I don't know if you're a hater, and I don't like that word, but I definitely sense a lot of hurt in what you're what posting.

[Edited 10/5/15 11:24am]

I'm not hurt. Michael Jackson is a great entertainer that I respect. He's not my family, so what would compel you to believe what he did in his life left me emotionally scarred?

If he wanted to live in a fairy tale life where he was white and his children are white, that's his prerogative but he only damaged his reputation and US album sales with his actions.

I believe he could have managed to outsell the Beatles if he stopped messing with his face by 1984/85. Bad and Dangerous should have easily managed to sell 12-15 million units in the US market.

MichaelJackson5 said:

alphastreet said:

I did sense some deja vu, and you're entitled to your feelings and reflecting on the past 30 years, but I don't know if everyone is receptive to it, or at least agreeing to disagree. I don't know if you're a hater, and I don't like that word, but I definitely sense a lot of hurt in what you're what posting.

[Edited 10/5/15 11:24am]

I'm not hurt. Michael Jackson is a great entertainer that I respect. He's not my family, so what would compel you to believe what he did in his life left me emotionally scarred?

If he wanted to live in a fairy tale life where he was white and his children are white, that's his prerogative but he only damaged his reputation and US album sales with his actions.

I believe he could have managed to outsell the Beatles if he stopped messing with his face by 1984/85. Bad and Dangerous should have easily managed to sell 12-15 million units in the US market.

Never once said he was your family, was only trying to continue the conversation you began. But being the long time fan you say you are, being witness to the earlier days, I'm sure he was a part of really good memories for you before the changes, like lumped in with a different time in your life as for most people, is that about right?

MichaelJackson5 said:

mjscarousal said:

Looks like it

A person can be an MJ fan without believing everything he's presented to the public over the last 16 years of his life.

If you want to believe that this man:

Could produce these kids:

Then knock yourself out.

As for his other fans, it's obvious to the naked eye there is no Jackson DNA in these two kids. Not even if their skin color was darker.

And before I hear about how some bi-racial children can look white, it's rare. The chances of two consecutive kids, born from a black man, looking white is statistically close to zero.

So, just based on the two children he "sired", it didn't look like he was proud of his black heritage.

And if I hated MJ, I wouldn't have spent so much time trying to convince that guy that They Don't Care About Us was a masterpiece which sounded like nothing else in his discography.

[Edited 10/5/15 11:18am]

ALL of your comments on MJ have been negative. I am perfectly aware that you can be a fan and not agree with everything a favorite artist has done but that is not what is going on here. You are purposely going out of your way to bash and discredit MJ (even when the topic has nothing to do with him or personal matters)and that is something a true fan would not do. It doesn't matter whether you are a fan or not a fan but you have pretty much proven you are not a fan so insisting you are a fan (in order to justify your constant MJ bashing) is foolish at this point.

MichaelJackson5 said:

alphastreet said:

I never agreed or disagreed with what you wrote, I just know you're not new here.

I am new here. Whoever you think I am, you're wrong. I am a member of one of the two major MJ fan forums though.

No one would assume you were posing as a troll if you weren't going out your way in every thread to bash Michael Jackson.

Which is why again, you insisting you are a mj fan is a joke at this point.

alphastreet said:

MichaelJackson5 said:

I'm not hurt. Michael Jackson is a great entertainer that I respect. He's not my family, so what would compel you to believe what he did in his life left me emotionally scarred?

If he wanted to live in a fairy tale life where he was white and his children are white, that's his prerogative but he only damaged his reputation and US album sales with his actions.

I believe he could have managed to outsell the Beatles if he stopped messing with his face by 1984/85. Bad and Dangerous should have easily managed to sell 12-15 million units in the US market.

Never once said he was your family, was only trying to continue the conversation you began. But being the long time fan you say you are, being witness to the earlier days, I'm sure he was a part of really good memories for you before the changes, like lumped in with a different time in your life as for most people, is that about right?

A fan since the Thriller Era. I would say that doesn't makes me a long time fan. I wasn't into him during the Triump or Destiny periods. Not even Off The Wall.

In fact, during the 84-85 period I was more a Duran Duran fan. And in the 70s I was into the Bee Gees, Commodores, and Supertramp.

Ironically, Bad was when I started really getting into MJ. It was released when I started college and helped me through those years. But it wasn't like one could tell folks they were a Michael Jackson fan by that point. He already lost the respect of the general public even back in the Fall of 1987, at least in North America. There was a lot of animosity towards him because of his new look, and not only from blacks.

Looking back retrospectively, he made a huge mistake changing a face that was beloved by America. He lost millions in album sales of Bad, Dangerous and HIStory as he turned more and more white.

MichaelJackson5 said:

alphastreet said:

Never once said he was your family, was only trying to continue the conversation you began. But being the long time fan you say you are, being witness to the earlier days, I'm sure he was a part of really good memories for you before the changes, like lumped in with a different time in your life as for most people, is that about right?

A fan since the Thriller Era. I would say that doesn't makes me a long time fan. I wasn't into him during the Triump or Destiny periods. Not even Off The Wall.

In fact, during the 84-85 period I was more a Duran Duran fan. And in the 70s I was into the Bee Gees, Commodores, and Supertramp.

Ironically, Bad was when I started really getting into MJ. It was released when I started college and helped me through those years. But it wasn't like one could tell folks they were a Michael Jackson fan by that point. He already lost the respect of the general public even back in the Fall of 1987, at least in North America. There was a lot of animosity towards him because of his new look, and not only from blacks.

Looking back retrospectively, he made a huge mistake changing a face that was beloved by America. He lost millions in album sales of Bad, Dangerous and HIStory as he turned more and more white.

You are not a fan and I don't believe you own BAD, Dangerous or HIStory

mjscarousal said:

MichaelJackson5 said:

A person can be an MJ fan without believing everything he's presented to the public over the last 16 years of his life.

If you want to believe that this man:

Could produce these kids:

Then knock yourself out.

As for his other fans, it's obvious to the naked eye there is no Jackson DNA in these two kids. Not even if their skin color was darker.

And before I hear about how some bi-racial children can look white, it's rare. The chances of two consecutive kids, born from a black man, looking white is statistically close to zero.

So, just based on the two children he "sired", it didn't look like he was proud of his black heritage.

And if I hated MJ, I wouldn't have spent so much time trying to convince that guy that They Don't Care About Us was a masterpiece which sounded like nothing else in his discography.

[Edited 10/5/15 11:18am]

ALL of your comments on MJ have been negative. I am perfectly aware that you can be a fan and not agree with everything a favorite artist has done but that is not what is going on here. You are purposely going out of your way to bash and discredit MJ (even when the topic has nothing to do with him or personal matters)and that is something a true fan would not do. It doesn't matter whether you are a fan or not a fan but you have pretty much proven you are not a fan so insisting you are a fan (in order to justify your constant MJ bashing) is foolish at this point.

You're wrong. That guy was saying that MJ has been following a template since Thriller. He said songs from the Jackson discography were literally interchangeable and that he never made songs outside of his formula.

I stepped in and brought up my opinion that TDCAU was a groundbreaking innovative song (one of my favorite MJ songs from the 90s) in composition, arrangement, rhythm structure. He said it was just another protest song that many artists have done in a better fashion.

I tried to prove to him that the song is more than a run of the mill protest song. It's about MJ's personal experience of being victimized by leeches like the Chandler family and those in the media.

Just because I don't believe MJ wants to be black and think his kids were artifically created doesn't mean I hate him. That's his choice. It doesn't take away the fact that he was a great entertainer and provided me with some of the best music in the 80s and 90s.

Vitiligo doesn't change your skin color gradually the way MJ's skin turned lighter.

mjscarousal said:

MichaelJackson5 said:

A fan since the Thriller Era. I would say that doesn't makes me a long time fan. I wasn't into him during the Triump or Destiny periods. Not even Off The Wall.

In fact, during the 84-85 period I was more a Duran Duran fan. And in the 70s I was into the Bee Gees, Commodores, and Supertramp.

Ironically, Bad was when I started really getting into MJ. It was released when I started college and helped me through those years. But it wasn't like one could tell folks they were a Michael Jackson fan by that point. He already lost the respect of the general public even back in the Fall of 1987, at least in North America. There was a lot of animosity towards him because of his new look, and not only from blacks.

Looking back retrospectively, he made a huge mistake changing a face that was beloved by America. He lost millions in album sales of Bad, Dangerous and HIStory as he turned more and more white.

You are not a fan and I don't believe you own BAD, Dangerous or HIStory

You're wrong. They were day one purchases too. My version of HIStory even contain the Jew-offending lyrics.

According to some you can take a medication to completely advance your Viteligo.

On a side note I made the mistake of mentioning Michael's kids in mixed company once (with a MJ fan) and she swore up and down that those kids (especially Paris) looks just like Michael.

I blame myself because I assumed that everyone thought the way I did.

I didn't make that mistake again.

MichaelJackson5 said:

alphastreet said:

Never once said he was your family, was only trying to continue the conversation you began. But being the long time fan you say you are, being witness to the earlier days, I'm sure he was a part of really good memories for you before the changes, like lumped in with a different time in your life as for most people, is that about right?

A fan since the Thriller Era. I would say that doesn't makes me a long time fan. I wasn't into him during the Triump or Destiny periods. Not even Off The Wall.

In fact, during the 84-85 period I was more a Duran Duran fan. And in the 70s I was into the Bee Gees, Commodores, and Supertramp.

Ironically, Bad was when I started really getting into MJ. It was released when I started college and helped me through those years. But it wasn't like one could tell folks they were a Michael Jackson fan by that point. He already lost the respect of the general public even back in the Fall of 1987, at least in North America. There was a lot of animosity towards him because of his new look, and not only from blacks.

Looking back retrospectively, he made a huge mistake changing a face that was beloved by America. He lost millions in album sales of Bad, Dangerous and HIStory as he turned more and more white.

Duran Duran is brilliant. I was really little in the 80's but didn't feel I could single out just one artist to be my favourite, not even mj, cause there was just too much good music out there. Bad is definitely one of my favourite albums and probably the one I loved the most during my youth in high school and university too though it was at least a good 10-15 years after the release, just having an account of the title track being a very popular hit at the time of release cause of my age. I was confused by his face too and people saying it's mj cause I was already familiar with the Thriller videos a year or two before Bad came out, but was too young to give it deep thought and was into other things to really care and just a tad bit confused...it's always a great thing when any music that resonates with you in a given time of your life can help you look back. Whether mj felt certain things or didn't about his life experiences, blackness, etc. though, it's all done now and in the past, the best thing one can do is just think about whatever else was going on during those times that have nothing to do with him, and cherish the good memories

MichaelJackson5 said:

mjscarousal said:

ALL of your comments on MJ have been negative. I am perfectly aware that you can be a fan and not agree with everything a favorite artist has done but that is not what is going on here. You are purposely going out of your way to bash and discredit MJ (even when the topic has nothing to do with him or personal matters)and that is something a true fan would not do. It doesn't matter whether you are a fan or not a fan but you have pretty much proven you are not a fan so insisting you are a fan (in order to justify your constant MJ bashing) is foolish at this point.

You're wrong. That guy was saying that MJ has been following a template since Thriller. He said songs from the Jackson discography were literally interchangeable and that he never made songs outside of his formula.

I stepped in and brought up my opinion that TDCAU was a groundbreaking innovative song (one of my favorite MJ songs from the 90s) in composition, arrangement, rhythm structure. He said it was just another protest song that many artists have done in a better fashion.

I tried to prove to him that the song is more than a run of the mill protest song. It's about MJ's personal experience of being victimized by leeches like the Chandler family and those in the media.

Just because I don't believe MJ wants to be black and think his kids were artifically created doesn't mean I hate him. That's his choice. It doesn't take away the fact that he was a great entertainer and provided me with some of the best music in the 80s and 90s.

Vitiligo doesn't change your skin color gradually the way MJ's skin turned lighter.

You don't know a shit, you are a liar, that's what you are. His skin was not enitrely white, and there are many photos to poreve it, he used prescription pills to cease his pain, not because of his "many" cosmetic surgeries, but because of the Pepsi comercial accident; when he get burned in the hairline, form that moment on, he had to deal with the physical consequences of it. Then unfortunately he got a morphine dependence.