http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/08/itunes-is-now-illegal-in-the-uk/

You know that awesome feature in iTunes - The one where if you already own an album you can pop the disc in the tray and rip your music? Well if you use it you're in trouble.

Also illegal: Do you have legal MP3s on your computer? Have you backed up your computer or hard drive? Well you've just broken the law.

This also means Google Play musics upload feature is also illegal, along with Microsofts Groove/Onedrive music sharing feature.

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[Edited 8/6/15 12:04pm]

At least the UK still has relevant record stores to shop in! This would never fly in North America.

Cinny said:

At least the UK still has relevant record stores to shop in! This would never fly in North America.

Where? there's barely any left, just a few HMV's dotted in the big city's

I thought it was illegal to rip a cd to itunes/ipod in the states too. I remember reading a post like this on another forum back in 2005.

Then "music groups" have the nerve to wonder why no one's buying music anymore. Complete common sense fail.

In reply to the poster above, I live close to a fantastic traditional record store here in the UK, and am nowhere near London. Not sure how the situation is across the country, though.

You can burn, copy and/or ripp CD's you've bought legitimately. You can transfer digital files of the copied and/or ripped CD's you've bought legitimately. You can burn one CD you legitimately bought for personal use. It's illegal to burn, copy, download and/or rip music you haven't purchased in the United States. Damn near everyone has broken the law at one time or another... upteem times I'm guessing.

This is dumb law and totally unenforceable law, good grief. As ChickenMcNuggets pointed out, all this does is alienate the music consumer even further. Music buying is a nonessential habit... folks can live without it.

Its a sneaky way of attempting to shape the argument that sharing music, movies, or a fucking joke (Twitter) with anyone makes you a criminal and/or thief. People have always shared these types of things... with no aim for financial gain. Now "you mad" (the music industry) that a middle man Amazon, Apple, Google, streaming, the whole of Silicon Valley have craved a big % of your profits for themselves? The music industry can't fuck with the big dogs, so they'd rather dock the tail(s). . Fuck um' all...

This would make my entire iTunes illegal, save for maybe 100 M4A's I purchased on iTunes.

Cinny said:

This would make my entire iTunes illegal, save for maybe 100 M4A's I purchased on iTunes.

I can the see jokes coming...

Man, what are you in jail for? "I ripped several thousand of my CD's to iTunes."

TD3 said:

Cinny said:

This would make my entire iTunes illegal, save for maybe 100 M4A's I purchased on iTunes.

I can the see jokes coming...

Man, what are you in jail for? "I ripped several thousand of my CD's to iTunes."

*mean inmate approaches*

"GANGSTA rap CDs!"

Cinny said:

TD3 said:

I can the see jokes coming...

Man, what are you in jail for? "I ripped several thousand of my CD's to iTunes."

*mean inmate approaches*

"GANGSTA rap CDs!"

In theory...

If you've already own a purchased album/CD of a band or singer, you would have to pay for the album again if you wanted a digital file via iTunes music store? This is batshit crazy.

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[Edited 8/11/15 9:26am]

TD3 said:

In theory...

If you've already own a purchased album/CD of a band or singer, you would have to pay for the album again if you wanted a digital file via iTunes music store? These is batshit crazy.

That's exactly right. You know I paid for my triple threats three times, once for each format, and a digital file is another format one has to pay for.

Cinny said:

This would make my entire iTunes illegal, save for maybe 100 M4A's I purchased on iTunes.

mine too, hehe

actually my library is 100% CD rips, I haven't bought one damn thing on iTunes

Cinny said:

TD3 said:

In theory...

If you've already own a purchased album/CD of a band or singer, you would have to pay for the album again if you wanted a digital file via iTunes music store? These is batshit crazy.

That's exactly right. You know I paid for my triple threats three times, once for each format, and a digital file is another format one has to pay for.

Folks like you, should get an excemption are something.

These people have lost the last 2 cents, Allah, Budda, Jesus, Jehovah have given them. I guess the 2,800 albums /CD I ripped to a 2.5tb HDD connect to my router would be illegal also in the UK, uh?

Crazy

Cinny said:

TD3 said:

I can the see jokes coming...

Man, what are you in jail for? "I ripped several thousand of my CD's to iTunes."

*mean inmate approaches*

"GANGSTA rap CDs!"

TD3 said:

Cinny said:

That's exactly right. You know I paid for my triple threats three times, once for each format, and a digital file is another format one has to pay for.

Folks like you, should get an excemption are something.

These people have lost the last 2 cents, Allah, Budda, Jesus, Jehovah have given them. I guess the 2,800 albums /CD I ripped to a 2.5tb HDD connect to my router would be illegal also in the UK, uh?

Crazy

It is quite insulting to the remaining music consumers that still buy CDs (and rip them). That's not even the source of real piracy!

Cinny said:

TD3 said:

Folks like you, should get an exemption are something.

These people have lost the last 2 cents, Allah, Buddha, Jesus, Jehovah have given them. I guess the 2,800 albums /CD I ripped to a 2.5tb HDD connect to my router would be illegal also in the UK, uh?

Crazy

It is quite insulting to the remaining music consumers that still buy CDs (and rip them). That's not even the source of real piracy!

Yes, it is. What the industry attempting to do is squeeze the consumer because the can't really do a damn thing about Apple and others. Ripping and/or piracy aren't the reason for decline in sales for music... it's a little more complex than that.

TD3 said:

Cinny said:

It is quite insulting to the remaining music consumers that still buy CDs (and rip them). That's not even the source of real piracy!

Yes, it is. What the industry attempting to do is squeeze the consumer because the can't really do a damn thing about Apple and others. Ripping and/or piracy aren't the reason for decline in sales for music... it's a little more complex than that.

I am the same age as the inventor of Napster, and remember very well using that right out of high school. Metallica seemed out of touch to persecute file sharing, but if there was ever a window to act on it legally, especially North America, I admit that would have been perfect timing. Lots of technology still had not caught up to it, but all kind of code has been written since then, and a whole generation grew up not buying ANYTHING.

Cinny said:

TD3 said:

Yes, it is. What the industry attempting to do is squeeze the consumer because the can't really do a damn thing about Apple and others. Ripping and/or piracy aren't the reason for decline in sales for music... it's a little more complex than that.

I am the same age as the inventor of Napster, and remember very well using that right out of high school. Metallica seemed out of touch to persecute file sharing, but if there was ever a window to act on it legally, especially North America, I admit that would have been perfect timing. Lots of technology still had not caught up to it, but all kind of code has been written since then, and a whole generation grew up not buying ANYTHING.

When a new technology or business model unhiges a traditional company profits, most companies circle the wagons to keep things as they've always been. There's no doubt the the music industry didn't understand code, computers or the impact the BIG impact the Internet would have on all aspects of the business. What I found surprising, how quickly music buyers and listerners adapted and took full advantage of downloading, sharing, and uploading music.

I believe the industry would have a more control of Napster if they had cut a deal with those guys. But, the suits allowed anger and ego to get the best of them so they cut a deal with Apple / Steve Jobs. Napster had the best search engine of anything on Web then or now. I found so many songs I didn't know the title or group, I'd type a verse in Napste'rs search egine and list of songs would come up. I became so good, I could look at the list of songs and get the one I was looking for in 3 plays.

l I strongly believe the music industry lost a generation of music fans, when they fail to realize they were in a winner takes all competition with computers, computer gaming, smartphones, software, social sites, and all the accessories that go with that stuff. It took the industry nearly 2 decades to realize maybe the should have ONE release date for new music. Artist and the industry should have compromised on music blogs such as soulwalk.co.uk and web radio station Grooveshark. In my hearts of heart, "streaming" will never be cash cow and the industry and its artist are hoping. I think they are setting up another generation to be just as indifferent as the past one. (IMHO)

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[Edited 8/13/15 19:08pm]

TD3 said:

Cinny said:

I am the same age as the inventor of Napster, and remember very well using that right out of high school. Metallica seemed out of touch to persecute file sharing, but if there was ever a window to act on it legally, especially North America, I admit that would have been perfect timing. Lots of technology still had not caught up to it, but all kind of code has been written since then, and a whole generation grew up not buying ANYTHING.

When a new technology or business model unhiges a traditional company profits, most companies circle the wagons to keep things as they've always been. There's no doubt the the music industry didn't understand code, computers or the impact the BIG impact the Internet would have on all aspects of the business. What I found surprising, how quickly music buyers and listerners adapted and took full advantage of downloading, sharing, and uploading music.

I believe the industry would have a more control of Napster if they had cut a deal with those guys. But, the suits allowed anger and ego to get the best of them so they cut a deal with Apple / Steve Jobs. Napster had the best search engine of anything on Web then or now. I found so many songs I didn't know the title or group, I'd type a verse in Napste'rs search egine and list of songs would come up. I became so good, I could look at the list of songs and get the one I was looking for in 3 plays.

l I strongly believe the music industry lost a generation of music fans, when they fail to realize they were in a winner takes all competition with computers, computer gaming, smartphones, software, social sites, and all the accessories that go with that stuff. It took the industry nearly 2 decades to realize maybe the should have ONE release date for new music. Artist and the industry should have compromised on music blogs such as soulwalk.co.uk and web radio station Grooveshark. In my hearts of heart, "streaming" will never be cash cow and the industry and its artist are hoping. I think they are setting up another generation to be just as indifferent as the past one. (IMHO)

If you think about it though, every new format that came out had some sort of adopting and learning curve. There is a chance that a generation could pick up on streaming as the norm, especially since they don't have to learn how to get around a bunch of firewalls and stuff. Streamning could be the new MiniDisc though.

OK, here in India, I've never used iTunes, and have only the haziest idea what it is, but can someone please explain to me - if you can listen to and buy music on an artist's own site, then why is itunes necessary?

and why must you use itunes to rip anything? just get a CD ripping software and rip away to your hearts content...?

domainator2010 said:

OK, here in India, I've never used iTunes, and have only the haziest idea what it is, but can someone please explain to me - if you can listen to and buy music on an artist's own site, then why is itunes necessary?

and why must you use itunes to rip anything? just get a CD ripping software and rip away to your hearts content...?

The point is more that iTunes is mainstream and accepted as the digital music store and personal program to rip with, and it still does not fit within the boundaries of this UK law. CD ripping is not allowed by definition of this law, so that goes for any program similar to iTunes as well.