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Reply #60 posted 04/17/15 7:14pm

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lol,I know,huh? smile

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Reply #61 posted 04/17/15 7:37pm

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Leaves me to wonder what she'll be singing during a whole show of "Shalamar"???

The first half of her show is Shalamar - Second Time Around, Make That Move, A Night to Remember, Dead Giveaway, Take That To The Bank, Full of Fire (remixed), I Owe You One, This Is For The Lover In You, Right In The Socket, .... JW Youtube page has various performances of these.

The Second Half is all Classic JW solo.

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Reply #62 posted 04/17/15 7:44pm

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No one seems to have a problem when other groups have different versions out there like Sister Sledge, Temptations, Four Tops, Van Halen

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Reply #63 posted 04/17/15 8:02pm

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No one seems to have a problem when other groups have different versions out there like Sister Sledge, Temptations, Four Tops, Van Halen

actually,I have a problem when others do it,too.Many groups that I like are in this same,unfortunate position...

*Klymaxx---bassist Cheryl Cooley tours with her own version of Klymaxx,while drummer Bernadette Cooper tours with her own version of Klymaxx.No one member owns the name,so any of the original ladies are allowed to use it when they tour.

*Mary Jane Girls---Jojo refuses to reunite with the original three members,while two of those members are (Maxi and Cheri) are touring with two other ladies.As if that wasn't enough,several years ago,Val Young (who was never a member of the Mary Jane Girls) was touring with her own version of the group....lol...after awhile,it all becomes comical.

*War---This is the one that pisses me off the most.Lonnie Jordan owns the War name but he's touring with a group of guys who were *never* a part of War! Meanwhile,the other original members are still alive,but they can't use the War name disbelief they are forced to call themselves The Lowrider Band.

I understand that band members have disagreements and they don't always see eye to eye.But the way I see it,the fans deserve the real thing.When they pay money to see their favorite bands,it should be the *original* members who actually sang and played on the songs.Anything else is cheating the fans.I bet that if Howard,Jody and Jeffrey were to sit down and talk,after awhile they would start laughing at how ridiculous this whole situation is lol They would hug,,kiss and make up and realize that THEY are Shalamar and they are the members that the fans truly want to see onstage together.

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Reply #64 posted 04/17/15 8:22pm

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getxxxx said:

Van Halen

I'm not aware of 2 Van Halens unless you're talking about Chickenfoot, and I think they broke up. You can't have a Van Halen without the brothers anyway, except maybe a tribute band.

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Reply #65 posted 04/17/15 9:36pm

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These type of 'band member wars' can sometimes get really ugly.I recall an interview where JoJo (of the Mary Jane Girls) basically said that the other three original members have no talent eek and there was a really bitter interview from Russell Thompkins Jr. (original lead singer of the Stylistics).He said some really terrible things about his former bandmates.

It's too bad that these groups can't learn from supergroups like the Rolling Stones and the Eagles.Remember when Don Henley famously said that the Eagles would get back together "when hell freezes over"? Well,hell froze over lol they got back together and have been touring and recording since 1994.

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Reply #66 posted 04/18/15 2:06am

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[img:$uid]http://i59.tinypic.com/21lvb6p.jpg[/img:$uid]

Jody with her gifted,talented, Ex husband Andre Cymone...

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Reply #67 posted 04/19/15 7:46am

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getxxxx said:

Leaves me to wonder what she'll be singing during a whole show of "Shalamar"???

The first half of her show is Shalamar - Second Time Around, Make That Move, A Night to Remember, Dead Giveaway, Take That To The Bank, Full of Fire (remixed), I Owe You One, This Is For The Lover In You, Right In The Socket, .... JW Youtube page has various performances of these.

The Second Half is all Classic JW solo.

Good lookin' out

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Reply #68 posted 04/19/15 9:33am

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^^Whenever I hear the song "Over and Over" (from The Look album),it makes me kinda sad.That was the last,final Shalamar single that featured Howard,Jody and Jeffrey.It's a superb song,but it leaves me with a sad feeling confused

Me too. And the video, with Howard in the studio, by hisself, brings the sadness on home. Love the song, but can't watch the video all the way through. I really loved this group. sad sad sad

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Reply #69 posted 04/19/15 11:26am

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[Edited 4/19/15 11:27am]

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Reply #70 posted 04/19/15 11:46am

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gerald brown & no shalamar reality show...

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Reply #71 posted 04/19/15 7:59pm

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[Edited 4/19/15 20:00pm]

Nick Ashford was someone I greatly admired, had the honor of knowing, and was the real-life inspiration for Cowboy Curtis' hair. RIP Nick. - Pee Wee Herman
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Reply #72 posted 04/21/15 11:46am

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[Edited 4/21/15 11:47am]

Nick Ashford was someone I greatly admired, had the honor of knowing, and was the real-life inspiration for Cowboy Curtis' hair. RIP Nick. - Pee Wee Herman
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Reply #73 posted 04/22/15 8:47pm

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lol

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Reply #74 posted 04/23/15 5:08am

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TD3 said:

OH, you come on... lol lol lol

Who had a major recording career after Shalamar? Who? Who's the person who's career tread water for several years before it drifted out to sea?That's the irony, the person who could sing in the group, flopped; the person who was grabbed off the flo' of Soul Train, the person who can't "sang" had the music, plus more stardom, plus mo' money. I know truth sometimes is stranger than fiction. OH WELL. lol


Ain't nobody interested in seeing Watley's version of Shalamar and ain't nobody interested in seeing Howie & Jeff version of Shalamar. I've done a lot of tongue in cheek humor about all of this but Watley may need to get some help because she can't let it go.The best revenge was Watley becoming a huge success after Shalamar. This chick could tour on her own steam know but no she's soooo fixated on fucking with Howie & Jeff.

Meh I know Jody had more success as a solo artist. Hell I was given promo copies of all her shit from her debut album. lol Music had started becoming watered down with adult contemporary stuff. People had their fill of r&b and pop fluff. Jody and Janet just before her happened to be in the right place at the right time. Howie wasn't as successful but he had a few hits as a solo artist. His lack of success was primarily due to the fact Howie wasn't a dance artist. He was a pure soul singer and you know damn well he wasn't going to overtake MJ, Freddie Jackson, or Luther on the

charts as the top male dog in R&B during that period. I was happy for Jody's success probably more so for Andre Cymone. Things didn't work out to well for Jody after her first 2 albums. Name me one hit after the first two albums. I agree Jody crushed Howard as a solo act but I still say

Howard's voice was the identifiable one with Shalamar. Who knows if this group would have ever prospered without Howard as lead. Dammit call me crazy but I grew to like Mikki Free's version better for awhile. boxed

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OK... wacky lol

I think Howie was one of the artist that kinda fall through the cracks... its becomes a numbers thing. I'd would like to

think if Howard had known how it was going to all turn out... the relationship with Watley would have been a bit more respectful and less volatile. Do I think Howard can sing yes, but he didn't much for me as a solo artist. Maybe that's a testament to Solar & Leon Sylvers writing and producing.

Don't worry, next year Watley will pull another stunt.... I swear it always seems to be around this time every damn year! lol Will be back talking about these crazy folks. lol

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Reply #75 posted 04/23/15 5:14am

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getxxxx said:

[Edited 4/21/15 11:47am] ^

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2628/3700305665_68001110f7_z.jpg?zz=1

Is that Jeff sisiter? lol

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Reply #76 posted 04/23/15 4:05pm

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Jeffery was VERY abusive! He beat up Jody & Stephanie Mills. This was way before social media...So not many knew about it...

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Reply #77 posted 04/23/15 6:50pm

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Here's more from a Wiki link:

Their first hit was the 1977 "Uptown Festival," released on Soul Train Records. Its success inspired Griffey and Don Cornelius to replace session singers with popular Soul Train dancers Jody Watley and Jeffrey Daniel to join original Shalamar lead singer Gary Mumford. Gerald Brown took over the spot vacated by Mumford in 1978 for the Disco Gardens album which featured the hit "Take That To The Bank". After conflicts over lack of payment from Dick Griffey and Solar Records, Brown would leave the group.[5]Howard Hewett replaced Brown in 1979.[2]

The group was joined up with producer Leon Sylvers III in 1979, signed with Griffey's SOLAR Records and scored a US million seller with "The Second Time Around."

In the UK the group had a string of hits with songs such as "Take That to the Bank" (1978), "I Owe You One" (1980) and 1982's "I Can Make You Feel Good", "A Night to Remember", "There It Is" and "Friends".[1] The album of the same title Friends was also a big seller in the UK in 1982 crossing the genres of pop, disco and soul. The band's record sales in the UK increased when Daniel demonstrated his body-popping dancing skills on BBC Television's music programme, Top of the Pops, premiering the Moonwalk on television for the first time. Michael Jackson was a fan of the group, in particular, Daniel and his dance moves, after watching him on Soul Train.[citation needed] Jackson and Daniel met after, and Jackson took his then 12 year old sister Janet to see Shalamar perform at Disneyland. Daniel co-choreographed Jackson's "Bad" and "Smooth Criminal" videos[citation needed] along with Jackson himself.

The "classic" lineup of Shalamar (Hewett, Watley, and Daniel) scored a total of three gold albums in the US with Big Fun, Three for Love (which eventually went platinum) and Friends.[1]

The group took a knock when Watley and Daniel separately left the band over conflicts within the group and other issues with Dick Griffey and Solar Records.[6] Adding to the subsequent departure was Watley's increasing frustration with SOLAR Records and Dick Griffey shortly after the release of their next album, The Look, in 1983.[1][2] Nonetheless, the album yielded a number of UK hit singles including "Disappearing Act", "Dead Giveaway" and "Over and Over". The album itself moved Shalamar into a more new wave/synthpop direction, with rock guitars to the fore. But The Look generally was not the success that Friends had been the previous year.

With a mid 1980s line-up change with Micki Free and Delisa Davis, Shalamar returned to the US Top 20 in 1984 with "Dancing in the Sheets" from the Footloose soundtrack, peaking at #17, and they won a Grammy for "Don't Get Stopped in Beverly Hills" from Beverly Hills Cop in 1984.[1][2]

Hewett departed to begin his solo career in 1985, and was replaced by Sydney Justin. Following Hewett's departure, the band faded into temporary obscurity.[1][2]Circumstantial Evidence (1987) did not sell well, and the band broke up shortly after Wake Up was released in 1990.[2]


Why do I associate Jermaine Stewart in the group? He was never a member, but seemed to be similar... maybe he was a Soul Train dancer with Jody???

And who was in the band at the time of "Dancing In the Sheets" (from the 'Footloose' soundtrack)? That was always one of my favorite songs as a kid.

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Reply #78 posted 04/23/15 7:06pm

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FormerlyKnownAs said:

Why do I associate Jermaine Stewart in the group? He was never a member, but seemed to be similar... maybe he was a Soul Train dancer with Jody???

And who was in the band at the time of "Dancing In the Sheets" (from the 'Footloose' soundtrack)? That was always one of my favorite songs as a kid.

It was the Howard, Delisa, & Micki lineup, which is the same one on the Beverly Hills Cop song. I think Jermaine Stewart did some background vocals for Shalamar.


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Reply #79 posted 04/23/15 7:15pm

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eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #80 posted 04/23/15 7:16pm

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FormerlyKnownAs said:

Here's more from a Wiki link:

Their first hit was the 1977 "Uptown Festival," released on Soul Train Records. Its success inspired Griffey and Don Cornelius to replace session singers with popular Soul Train dancers Jody Watley and Jeffrey Daniel to join original Shalamar lead singer Gary Mumford. Gerald Brown took over the spot vacated by Mumford in 1978 for the Disco Gardens album which featured the hit "Take That To The Bank". After conflicts over lack of payment from Dick Griffey and Solar Records, Brown would leave the group.[5]Howard Hewett replaced Brown in 1979.[2]

The group was joined up with producer Leon Sylvers III in 1979, signed with Griffey's SOLAR Records and scored a US million seller with "The Second Time Around."

In the UK the group had a string of hits with songs such as "Take That to the Bank" (1978), "I Owe You One" (1980) and 1982's "I Can Make You Feel Good", "A Night to Remember", "There It Is" and "Friends".[1] The album of the same title Friends was also a big seller in the UK in 1982 crossing the genres of pop, disco and soul. The band's record sales in the UK increased when Daniel demonstrated his body-popping dancing skills on BBC Television's music programme, Top of the Pops, premiering the Moonwalk on television for the first time. Michael Jackson was a fan of the group, in particular, Daniel and his dance moves, after watching him on Soul Train.[citation needed] Jackson and Daniel met after, and Jackson took his then 12 year old sister Janet to see Shalamar perform at Disneyland. Daniel co-choreographed Jackson's "Bad" and "Smooth Criminal" videos[citation needed] along with Jackson himself.

The "classic" lineup of Shalamar (Hewett, Watley, and Daniel) scored a total of three gold albums in the US with Big Fun, Three for Love (which eventually went platinum) and Friends.[1]

The group took a knock when Watley and Daniel separately left the band over conflicts within the group and other issues with Dick Griffey and Solar Records.[6] Adding to the subsequent departure was Watley's increasing frustration with SOLAR Records and Dick Griffey shortly after the release of their next album, The Look, in 1983.[1][2] Nonetheless, the album yielded a number of UK hit singles including "Disappearing Act", "Dead Giveaway" and "Over and Over". The album itself moved Shalamar into a more new wave/synthpop direction, with rock guitars to the fore. But The Look generally was not the success that Friends had been the previous year.

With a mid 1980s line-up change with Micki Free and Delisa Davis, Shalamar returned to the US Top 20 in 1984 with "Dancing in the Sheets" from the Footloose soundtrack, peaking at #17, and they won a Grammy for "Don't Get Stopped in Beverly Hills" from Beverly Hills Cop in 1984.[1][2]

Hewett departed to begin his solo career in 1985, and was replaced by Sydney Justin. Following Hewett's departure, the band faded into temporary obscurity.[1][2]Circumstantial Evidence (1987) did not sell well, and the band broke up shortly after Wake Up was released in 1990.[2]


Why do I associate Jermaine Stewart in the group? He was never a member, but seemed to be similar... maybe he was a Soul Train dancer with Jody???

And who was in the band at the time of "Dancing In the Sheets" (from the 'Footloose' soundtrack)? That was always one of my favorite songs as a kid.

[Edited 4/23/15 18:51pm]

The late Jermane Stewart was Jody's best friend & Soul Train dancer. She asked him to go on tour with her to keep her company. He eventually started designing their wardrobe,singing background, on tour and doing their choreography.

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #81 posted 04/23/15 8:47pm

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Reply #82 posted 04/23/15 9:03pm

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Howard is kinda like Ralph Tresvant. They were the main lead singers on most of their groups hits, but they had the least success as solo acts.

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Reply #83 posted 04/23/15 9:19pm

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MickyDolenz said:

Howard is kinda like Ralph Tresvant. They were the main lead singers on most of their groups hits, but they had the least success as solo acts.

I remember in the mid-80s when Howard and El DeBarge both left the groups they were in.It seemed like both men were on their way to solo superstardom but it didn't happen.Both men had debut solo albums that were well-received,though.

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Reply #84 posted 04/23/15 9:22pm

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One interesting thing,though....

When Howard went solo,he went in a Quiet storm/R&B direction (Anita Baker/Luther Vandross territory)....much different than the music he was doing with Shalamar.Remember that 1984 song "Heaven Sent" that he recorded with Stanley Clarke?

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Reply #85 posted 04/23/15 9:38pm

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SoulAlive said:

MickyDolenz said:

Howard is kinda like Ralph Tresvant. They were the main lead singers on most of their groups hits, but they had the least success as solo acts.

I remember in the mid-80s when Howard and El DeBarge both left the groups they were in.It seemed like both men were on their way to solo superstardom but it didn't happen.Both men had debut solo albums that were well-received,though.

El was mostly known for a soundtrack song at the time, Who's Johnny, as it crossed over. Plus he was on Motown, which was starting to lose steam. Even Stevie Wonder's singles from Characters did not do well on the pop chart and one of them (Get It) had Michael Jackson on it. Skeletons only hit #19, but the other singles did well on the R&B chart. Lionel Richie, who was Motown's most popular act of the 1980s, had polyps and couldn't sing. This was around the time Berry Gordy was getting ready to sell the company. Interestingly, Smokey Robinson had his biggest hits in years around this time period with the One Heartbeat album.

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #86 posted 04/23/15 9:54pm

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SoulAlive said:

One interesting thing,though....

When Howard went solo,he went in a Quiet storm/R&B direction (Anita Baker/Luther Vandross territory)....much different than the music he was doing with Shalamar.Remember that 1984 song "Heaven Sent" that he recorded with Stanley Clarke?

This is probably the reason Howard didn't do that well. Quiet Storm had a more limited appeal and it didn't really fit in with the hip hop, Latin freestyle, New Jack Swing, and Paula Abdul & Soul II Soul style dance music that was taking over R&B radio. People could dance to them. When even Boy George could get a hit with New Jack Swing, you know Howard went in the wrong direction. razz Quiet Storm was played in the late evenings.

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #87 posted 04/24/15 1:22am

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MickyDolenz said:

SoulAlive said:

One interesting thing,though....

When Howard went solo,he went in a Quiet storm/R&B direction (Anita Baker/Luther Vandross territory)....much different than the music he was doing with Shalamar.Remember that 1984 song "Heaven Sent" that he recorded with Stanley Clarke?

This is probably the reason Howard didn't do that well. Quiet Storm had a more limited appeal and it didn't really fit in with the hip hop, Latin freestyle, New Jack Swing, and Paula Abdul & Soul II Soul style dance music that was taking over R&B radio. People could dance to them. When even Boy George could get a hit with New Jack Swing, you know Howard went in the wrong direction. razz Quiet Storm was played in the late evenings.

Very good point.

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Reply #88 posted 04/24/15 7:47am

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This thread has made me bust out my Howard Hewett debut album. It's a solid album but also quite safe. I guess that's the vibe he was going for. I've always loved his voice. It's a shame his solo career didn't take off further. He lost the edge Shalamar had though. Shalamar were more funky and quirky. I also would like to say as much as i love Jody Watley, the Heartbreak album is probably my fave, along with the Look. Micky Free was a great addition to the group. I didn't mind Delissa either.
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Howard's career did fare better than Jeffrey though

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