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Lady Gaga Was The Biggest Pop Star In The World. What Happened?

Posted: 02/19/2015 9:17 am EST Updated: 39 minutes ago
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Tony Bennett, left, and Lady Gaga arrive at the 57th annual Grammy Awards at the Staples Center on Sunday, Feb. 8, 2015, in Los Angeles. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP) | Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP

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Lady Gaga was the biggest pop star in the world. And not just circa 2010. In the post-tabloid, instant-access landscape of the manufactured celebrity figure, there has never been a more rapid rocketing to mega fame than Gaga’s rise about five years ago. She had six No. 1 hits over the course of a single year. She sold 1.1 million copies of “Born This Way” in its first week alone. Beyonce played her backup on “Telephone.” Now, her off-brand engagement to Taylor Kinney (he proposed with a heart-shaped ring on Valentine's day!) is barely news. She’s duetting with Tony Bennett and it’s unclear who is benefitting more from the collaboration. What happened?

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“Is it because she’s not good anymore?” HuffPost Entertainment managing editor Christopher Rosen asked in an email. If we’re talking about “good” meaning “fun to dance to while drinking flavored vodka,” then, no, she's not. “Artpop” and that “Cheek To Cheek” cover are not as “good” as her past stuff. Although, really that distinction has always been more about Gaga's persona than her hit singles. She reached a new level of complexity with “Bad Romance” and “The Fame Monster,” but her music was mostly fluff sprinkled with hooks. At its core, her discography has been catchy pop that didn’t even attempt to match the level of complexity purported by her sartorial choices, post-modern approach to the music video and aggressive name dropping of Andy Warhol. Gaga’s appeal was always in the packaging. She emerged as a true performer equipped with her own mythology and symbolism -- the sort of figure that we hadn’t seen since Madonna. That's where the fascination began, and also where it ended.

“Gaga’s presence introduces the formerly unthinkable idea that Madonna, another voracious Italian girl, may really, truly, finally be on her way out,” Vanessa Grigoriadis wrote for New York magazine in 2010. At the time, that made sense. The similarities were clear -- both had the dark penciled brows, platinum hair and an uncanny ability to dance the fine line between art and consumerism. The creatively controversial stylings of both found a careful balance of capitalism and subversion by sheer virtue of being churned out in the form of radio hits. Madonna has stayed relevant by navigating the tenuous space between the two realms, while Gaga quickly pushed herself over the edge by force-feeding us her artistry in light of her pop stardom. And that's why she's already on her way out, while Madonna is still pr...the masses.

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Look at "Artpop." The message of the album is the idea of Gaga as art. (Like, very literally: “Pop culture was in art, now art's in pop culture in me.”) With "Applause," Gaga's avant gardism has become as hollow as one of Jeff Koons’ balloon animal sculptures. Being avant-garde, truly experimenting in any medium, has always been about breaking from the accepted milieu and refusing to compete. Yet, Gaga purported the avant-garde, while her purest motivation was competition for fame.

For a more recent comparison, we can look to Katy Perry. Back in 2010, that same Grigordias New York magazine piece likened Perry to one of the "rising talents unable to push through to superstardom." In 2014, "Roar" beat out "Applause" as part of Perry's ever-swelling collection of hits. Perry's timeline and approach to stardom make her the ultimate foil for Gaga. Where Gaga steeped herself in meaning and pretension, Perry stands for nothing. Her songs are not anymore about her than they are about the 13-year-old girl in Tulsa who really does feel like a plastic bag. As Rich Juzwiak wrote aft...erformance, "[It's unclear] Katy Perry has anything to say, any unique perspective, any capacity to challenge or surprise, any persona beyond vaguely goofy and occasionally sentimental."

In looking at all three we see where Madonna and Perry have maintained their fame while Gaga has waned. Perry is a sort of a vessel for the pop-culture machine, where Madonna imbues artistry into the artifice of her persona, but both embrace the manufactured nature of their stardom. We know that these figures are created for us, almost as if in a "Josie And The Pussycats" lab. Gaga didn't fail because she is inauthentic -- all pop stars are -- but because she refused to embrace the reality of her act. As an icon of the millennial pop, Gaga may never truly be "over," but until she can channel the authentic inauthenticity we see in Perry and Madonna, let's hope she has enough room for that meat dress in her freezer.

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Reply #1 posted 02/19/15 8:12am

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I want to like her but theres something so fake about her. Very Jem & The Holograms/cartoony/sugar-coated to her as her shtick is literal shtick. The thing that also bothered me is that her initial image (possible still her image) is that she is so cool/edgy/avant garde but then she does lame shit like wear a meat dress or fake horns. She's like a destiny unfulfilled because the legend was inaccurate/false to begin with.

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Reply #2 posted 02/19/15 8:13am

luvsexy4all

peope got wise??

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Reply #3 posted 02/19/15 8:16am

alphastreet

Art-poop ruined everything, but cheek to cheek is nice.
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Reply #4 posted 02/19/15 8:18am

Ego101

Who gives a F*** about Lady GaGa? confused

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Reply #5 posted 02/19/15 9:14am

novabrkr

That line about her not being good anymore in the sense of " “good” meaning “fun to dance to while drinking flavored vodka,” " was great.

That's exactly what's happened. She first hit it big in mainstream clubs when people were getting bored of all the r&b and hiphop stuff that you could barely even dance to. People seem to have already forgotten that the craze of fusing pop, r&b and "edm" started with her singles getting popular. You soon had even established pop performers doing that stuff. She just forgot what made her popular and the "I'm an artist" shtick just doesn't appeal to younger generations. It might have appealed to young people in the 1970s when David Bowie became popular, but so many young people simply hate art or anything that actually might challenge their stereotypical notions of what is cool and what is not.

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Reply #6 posted 02/19/15 9:37am

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Plain and simple, her music started to stink. Born This Way's singles were weak, ARTPOP's were weaker still. If she released a catchy tune with a dancable beat and a Fame-like hook, people would pay attention again.

Aside from the music, I think not taking herself so seriously ("I've been in this egg for nine days"), which is the direction in which she's been going lately, can only help.

"She made me glad to be a man"
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Reply #7 posted 02/19/15 9:55am

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I think there was a backlash about her persona that started with BTW and climaxed with Artpop. The actual content of those two albums wasn't all bad. She has the opportunity now to reinvent herself for the better. She's an extremely talented woman. Her musical instincts aren't all that bad, she primarily just needs a better PR team.

Change it one more time..
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Reply #8 posted 02/19/15 11:12am

SoulAlive

After awhile,people get tired of gimmicks and weird costumes.They want substance.That song she did with R.Kelly was horrible.

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Reply #9 posted 02/19/15 11:17am

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She stopped talking to fans and started preaching to them. That will turn anyone off.

The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything.
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Reply #10 posted 02/19/15 11:22am

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1 word: POSER

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #11 posted 02/19/15 11:31am

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I think it started going downhill with Born This Way and Gaga taking herself so seriously. I do think she could make a comeback though. Lol It's bad that she has to make a "comeback" after only being around for such a short time though.

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Reply #12 posted 02/19/15 11:41am

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She's very talented but very cabaret. Compare her jazz singing to Amy Winehouse. Enough said. The only way I would buy her is if she did a straight up r&b record.

"Keep in mind that I'm an artist...and I'm sensitive about my shit."--E. Badu
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Reply #13 posted 02/19/15 2:33pm

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MidniteMagnet said:

She's very talented but very cabaret. Compare her jazz singing to Amy Winehouse. Enough said. The only way I would buy her is if she did a straight up r&b record.

Exactly. Amy Winehouse did jazz long before it became mainstream (I'm talking about the Frank album, and yes... jazz was there before Amy but not in the modern day music era). Gaga just seemed to be doing it for the sake of telling people "hey, I can sing jazz, you don't like it? Tony fuckin Bennett approves it!". Though, I might be wrong, she might actually have done the record because she always wanted to do a jazz album and she had to wait for the right moment.

I would say that Gaga has a kind of "let it go" thingy toward her image in general (Not necessairly the inconsistency or the lack of substance in her latest formula of making music... She just seems to not give a fuck whatsoever about whatever that happens that can damage her image as a popstar - She's hella rich, btw - She's rather intrested in increasing her art, somehow). She began with electropop, then gravitated toward 80's pop rock, with Artpop, she tried to create some sort of a musical hybrid of both and she failed obviously to deliver that nicely enough... I can tell that she's talented to work on a record that can be as successful as The Fame Monster and even better musically, she has so much to say in her lyrics... Maybe the fame really turned her into a monster, that alter ego of hers, you can either say that she does that for the sake of publicity and fame or maybe she actually feels that backstage, you can't really keep doing things the way you used to when you read a headline that says Gaga has a penis... That let it go attitude is, imo, the reason she began to just do things differently, ditch RedOne and thrive into this imaginative world of art and pop.

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Reply #14 posted 02/19/15 2:38pm

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Shawy that sounds really complex, like she is a mystery. I'm pretty sure she just does what her creative director instructs her to do. It worked when she had talented folks, but then she fired them all. She's the little man behind the curtain and they haven't gotten the projections to work for a few years now.

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Reply #15 posted 02/19/15 2:40pm

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lazycrockett said:

She stopped talking to fans and started preaching to them. That will turn anyone off.

I doubt that. She was a permanent spokeperson of the Gay & Lesbian community, her music actually HELPED people to come out (I've read stories, letters written by teenagers who give all the props to Gaga's music that gave them the strengh to speak for themselves). People got over that at some point, even gay community... You can't keep listening to records that say much about sexuality and stuff when it's time finally to get over that and just go on in life. The coming of age tale every Gaga fan went through is now over.... Her fanbase might be still as loyal as they've ever been, it's just that the music has changed, Applause is one flop for the Monsters, it's not as exciting or catchy as Bad Romance, with everyone liking Katy Perry at some point, you had people listening to her, the album was just too underwhelming to be properly bought..

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Reply #16 posted 02/19/15 2:46pm

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TheGoldStandard said:

Shawy that sounds really complex, like she is a mystery. I'm pretty sure she just does what her creative director instructs her to do. It worked when she had talented folks, but then she fired them all. She's the little man behind the curtain and they haven't gotten the projections to work for a few years now.

Yeah, who knows really? She's too rich to bother herself with money issues... So the flop of Artpop commercially would be the last thing a rich monster like Gaga would think about. I was going to say that your description of Gaga is nearly perfect: "A destiny unfulfilled because the legend was inaccurate/false to begin with"... She probably started the whole thing thinking the artistic image she'll surround herself with will apply on every year to come later on... Failing on that, she had to move on...

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Reply #17 posted 02/19/15 2:57pm

CynicKill

It's pop music not brain surgery.

She's young. All she has to do is come out with something catchy and possibly all will be forgiven.

Why possibly? Because no one really knows.

Madonna is LUCKY. Lucky that she has such a massive fan base that likes what she does. It could just as easily had went the other way.

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Reply #18 posted 02/19/15 3:15pm

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I made a topic some months ago on this exact thing and the posts here run along the same routes as the posts there.

I agree with what has been said for the most part; when something unexpected becomes expected then it loses its luster. Gaga exhausted the gimmicks and people got tired of the same gaudiness-in-a-different-package that she was offering, especially since being gimmicky was her gimmick as opposed to having a relatable persona or simply an actual persona. Then you have the 2009-2010 onslaught of female artists I the vein of Katy Perry, Nicki Minaj, and Rihanna (who was undergoing a character change at the time) who pretty much aped her style and repackaged them as their own. Unlike Gaga though these 3 displayed character outside of "crazy girl that dresses in random tacky outfits and does random things".

There's more but you get the idea. Gaga is talented but you can only personify shock value for so long before you're no longer shocking. She only made it worse when she put her desperation front and center with ArtPOP and her pretentious, cavalier assertions of her outrageous antics being relevant, artistic statements. Her schtick overshadowed and undercut her music (which wasn't anything special) and when she tried to ratify herself, it turned people off.
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Reply #19 posted 02/19/15 3:20pm

mjscarousal

I disagree. Most people say that Gaga overexposed herself and was to pretentious which turned people off and I don't think that is the reason for her downfall. While those are valid points, I think her downfall is much deeper than those reasons which I feel people use as a easy scapegoat. There are pop stars still to this day that are overexposed, pretentious and overrated but they still get media exposure and attention. I think Gaga has been snubbed by her industry peers and the media. For some reason they have turned on her and don't back her properly. I think Gaga made the mistake of rushing Art pop when she should have taken her time.

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Reply #20 posted 02/19/15 4:32pm

Gunsnhalen

This exact thread is made every couple months. How many articles can people right about this? Artpop didn't do as well as she wanted it. It wasn't a total flop (still had 2 hit singles) but it wasn't a huge hit either. Y'all complained when she was constantly being talked about. And then make threads because she's not being talked about. Org logic at work here lol neutral

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Reply #21 posted 02/19/15 10:09pm

jn2

Rihanna, Katy Perry were and are still more popular than her, Lady Gaga wasn't even in the Madonna popularity level.

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Reply #22 posted 02/19/15 10:28pm

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ANSWER: You can be a clone of David Bowie AND Madonna for only so long.

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Reply #23 posted 02/19/15 10:59pm

novabrkr

TonyVanDam said:

ANSWER: You can be a clone of David Bowie AND Madonna for only so long.


David Bowie, Madonna and Snap!

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Reply #24 posted 02/19/15 11:05pm

scriptgirl

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How did she get so rich? Can't just be off the music

"Lack of home training crosses all boundaries."
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Reply #25 posted 02/19/15 11:07pm

lazycrockett

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scriptgirl said:

How did she get so rich? Can't just be off the music

Her devoted lil gay monsters spend their rent to go see her. Thats how she makes her coin.

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Reply #26 posted 02/19/15 11:52pm

novabrkr

scriptgirl said:

How did she get so rich? Can't just be off the music


Like, someone already stated, by playing live.


Her first album has sold over 15 million copies. With that type of sales you're still making a lot of money if you're yourself the main songwriter. Sure, the expenses for all the costumes and props must be quite considerable.

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Reply #27 posted 02/19/15 11:54pm

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I disagree with two points the article made:

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1. The idea the gaga suffers by being too pretentious, and not embracing artifice like Katy Perry and Madonna. I only disagree because no one is more pretentious than Madonna. She just opened her grammy performance with a call for 'revolution', and that's only the latest. Watch her talk about her artistic integrity in Truth or Dare, and remember that her dancers were dressed like Dick Tracy.

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2. The glib "good" = drinking vodka and dancing line. Look, it's pop music, it needs to get stuck in your head. It has to be fun. You can reduce that to "drink and dance" if you want to, but it's more about reaching a wide audience, making them love a sound, and inspiring them to...do something. It's not shallow.

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I really think it boils down to the music gaga released, 3 albums in a row, with no huge singles. To compare, by this point her career Madonna had released True Blue, full of monster singles, and was prepping Like a Prayer, even better monster singles.
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I'll finish with a Spears paraphrase: "Anyone can make an 'art song'. Try writing a hit. It's hard!"

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Reply #28 posted 02/19/15 11:55pm

Gunsnhalen

scriptgirl said:

How did she get so rich? Can't just be off the music

She also had a perfume or something too.

Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener

All music is shit music and no music is real- gunsnhalen

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Reply #29 posted 02/20/15 12:49am

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scriptgirl said:

How did she get so rich? Can't just be off the music

Tina Turner told Oprah that her Mega-Tours filled her pockets....GaGa probably had a Mega touring deal..

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